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  • posted a message on April Ban List Update - Flash and Lutri Banned
    Figured y'all would want the announcement.

    The April 2020 Rules update has been posted (https://mtgcommander.net/?p=653)

    Summary

    Rule 11 updated to enable the companion mechanic.
    Lutri, the Spellchaser is banned.
    Flash is banned.
    Next update: June 29th (assuming that the Core 2021 prerelease is not moved)



    Companion
    When we first saw the companion mechanic, our immediate reaction was “well, this is cool; it won’t work in Commander.” But, looking at the mechanic, there was nothing problematic about it. It was actually the kind of thing we really like to encourage. Brew with restrictions! Since we want the rules of Commander to match up to Magic where possible and healthy for the format, we took a second look.

    We still don’t think Wishes and the other get-other-cards-from-outside-the-game are something we want in Commander. We outline our stance on wishes in the FAQ and none of the concerns we have with them applied here. The only issue was that the mechanic referred to outside the game. If the companion started in the Command Zone or Exile, it would have been fine. Since that’s clearly an arbitrary mechanical distinction, how could we adjust the rules to reflect this?

    It turns out that it was easy. The problem with all prior mechanics which used outside-the-game was their open-endedness. They brought cards in from a giant unbounded set. All we had to do was change one word in Rule 11:

    11: Abilities which bring other card(s) you own from outside the game into the game (such as Living Wish; Spawnsire of Ulamog; Karn, the Great Creator) do not function in Commander.

    Companion now works within the framework of Commander – it’s bringing itself in – and nothing else changes. Similar mechanics will be fine in the future as long as they remain self-contained (though if we think they’re problematic, we’ll obviously take another look and ask ourselves why).

    We recognize that this does let you go past the 100 card rule that is iconic to Commander. However, a single extra card you have to jump through serious hoops to get is philosophically okay in the same way that a tiny number of cards (like Relentless Rats) are able to violate the even-more-important singleton rule.

    Lutri
    That left Lutri. We hate the idea of banning a card prior to release. We gave serious consideration to announcing that the card would almost certainly be banned with Core 2021 and letting it be legal rather than break our stance that all cards should be given a chance.

    The argument that finally won the day was that not everyone would see that announcement. Many people would buy a legal Lutri as it goes alongside every deck with red and blue in it. Knowing that it would certainly be banned, we were uncomfortable setting up those folks, who are in many ways our primary audience, for far greater disappointment. Better to bend our stance.

    This is where we say that it was a one-time thing and we don’t expect it to happen again, but that might not be entirely accurate. Wizards is free to explore weird spaces, and, as demonstrated here, those spaces may occasionally do something really problematic. If another card comes along that also does something novel that is incompatible with the format, we’ll ban it immediately. Note that “stupidly powerful” is not novel; those cards will get their chance to prove themselves.

    Flash
    Speaking of exceptional decisions, we are banning Flash (the card, not the mechanic). Enough cEDH players who we trust have convinced us that it is the only change they need for the environment they seek to cultivate. Though they represent a small fraction of the Commander playerbase, we are willing to make this effort for them. It should not be taken as a signal that we are considering any kind of change in how we intend to manage the format; this is an extraordinary step, and one we are unlikely to repeat.

    We use the banlist to guide players in how to approach the format and hope Flash’s role on the list will be to signal “cheating things into play quickly in non-interactive ways isn’t interesting, don’t do that.”

    We believe Commander is still best as a social-focused format and will not be making any changes to accommodate tournament play. Taking responsibility for your and your opponents’ fun, including setting expectations with your group, is a fundamental part of the Commander philosophy. Organizers who want to move towards more untrusted games should consider adding additional rules or guidance to create the Commander experience they want to offer.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [Offtopic] Community Thread
    If forums are something that you want to keep active (especially the official Commander forums), then you should reach out to the Rules Committee or CAG to let them know how you feel. Sheldon has said they are mulling over the idea of continuing to have a forum, so the more support they get the more likely we cam continue to have some sort of official forum.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on JANUARY 2020 RULES UPDATE (no changes)
    They are currently undecided on what to do with forums, and the RC is divided on their necessity in the modern day of having Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit, as well as existing forums such as here and MTGNexus, both of which get more traffic that their forums did.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [Offtopic] Community Thread
    Quote from bobthefunny »
    Right now I'm getting used to the ropes. ShadowLancer also got made admin, so at some point we'll need to sit down and see what we need to do on the site.

    I think I may need to merge some sub-forums here in Commander, just due to the change in the quantity and type of traffic and whatnot.

    In the first day of being admin, I learned that I was exactly right in my wanting to not ever to go for this.

    Yeah, it can be overwhelming at first, but I have faith in you. I always advocated for you in the upper lounges because you have a good head on your shoulders.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [Offtopic] Community Thread
    Hey bob, I see they made you an admin. Congrats. Any big plans brewing?
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Thanks to Cryogen
    Quote from ISBPathfinder »


    I believe cryogen owns a copy and is an advocate of unbanning it in commander. His support for unbanning Recurring Nightmare is a bit more known though.

    This is true, but any correlation is minimal. I actually bought it years ago before it spiked so that I could have it for my cube. As for the card itself, there are probably 10 cards I would ban before I banned Library (if it were legal), and it is the number one card I would unban if price weren't a factor.

    Recurring Nightmare at this point is a meme. I'm actually on the fence more leaning towards leaving it banned.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Commander Climate Survey
    Just in case anyone was curious about the results and had a hard time seeing the individual data, I have posted all the results (excluding every single write in). You can see them in the first post of this thread: https://www.mtgnexus.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=500

    Thanks again to everyone who participated!
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [Offtopic] Community Thread
    Quote from ISBPathfinder »


    I am like... 90% sure that WF joined staff after you did. He actually didn't join as a commander mod at first (I want to say he was a mill mod) but was later added when we saw that he was posting like.... literally everywhere.

    You might be right. I remember that jay came on staff a month after me, then became a global a month after me, then forgot his place and adminned before me.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [Offtopic] Community Thread
    Quote from bobthefunny »


    Eh... close enough. Looking at it again, 2012 is when I modded up. So I guess you joined when I joined mods. Some reason I thought you were here longer.

    I lurked for a bit. But yeah, I joined you, ISB, and WF when Gaka and Weebo left staff.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [Offtopic] Community Thread
    Quote from bobthefunny »
    no, not that. You said 7 years ago... which would be about 2012. Thats close to when I joined MTGS.

    The join date under your name says otherwise....
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Commander Climate Survey
    Quote from DirkGently »
    I'm so confused by people that want to ban tabernacle. I HAVE a tabernacle, and I struggle to find places to play it where it's not mostly just a useless hate-magnet. I've used it in two decks out of about a hundred, and that's only because I'm dying for an excuse to show it off.

    I mean I'm sure it's annoying but it basically never comes up and it's not that good when it does. It's only really good in a deck that's already running a ton of other stax pieces, and you aren't fixing that problem with one ban.

    But that price tag, yo.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [Offtopic] Community Thread
    Quote from bobthefunny »


    Did we start at the same time?

    Start what? Staff? I thought you started before me. I replaced Weebo and Gaka.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [Offtopic] Community Thread
    Seven years ago today I started arguing into the void and asserting my correctness in EDH. Good lord that seems.so long ago.

    toot
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on July 2019 Ban List Update


    Greed is always a motivating factor.

    Yes, if you're a greedy person. Do you have any evidence that they have been greedy in the past or done shady things with the market?
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on July 2019 Ban List Update
    Quote from Hermes_ »


    which one has the Rocket scientist wife or is this just one person?

    Sheldon is the trophy husband.


    Rich people can't be greedy? Have you ever interacted with people in real life?

    Unfortunately, yes.

    But I think since you have zero evidence it's more likely that greed wasn't a motivating factor here.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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