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"Yeah, down to the business of lynching you." Sir Karn states with a disapproving look.
The argument between Generic and Sir Karn grows heated with accusations flying at each other like pills into House's mouth. They start yelling over one another and some of the staff looks on in horror as veins pop out in their foreheads. Some of you ignore the action all together and try to hold side conversations.
A patient wanders into the room with nothing on but a paper gown and and toting their IV pole, obviously looking to get some assistance. A few of you head over to help, but then the patient notices the Generic and Sir Karn at each others throats.
The yelling halted for a brief while when the patient walked in, but with such high tensions running it's no surprise that the two have resorted to physical violence. LnGrrrR watches the altercation with amusement. Prophylaxis gives LnGrrrR a stern look, then manages to break Generic and Sir Karn apart, dodging insults as well as their physical advances.
A nurse comes by to escort the patient back to their room, and as they waddle away you notice a rectal thermometer wedged in between their exposed buttcheeks. A quick laugh is shard between a few of you, and the hostility commences.
... With 12 players alive, it's 7 to lynch!
Tom (1): Vitek Cythare (2): Condoms, Generic Generic (5): Sir Karn, Cythare, TeH JeY, Swishh, Tom LnGrrrR (2): Prophylaxis, Klevenklop
I'm surprised I'm alive. But it was more important to get my result out than it was to hide my claim again.
I only had one shot. I contemplated falseclaiming a guilty on Wessel, but I don't see the point in it since the risks outweigh the rewards. I'm fairly certain from Day 1 analysis that Caex's buddies are Wessel and Stardust.
Iso is glad you agree with his analysis. I'm also of a mind that Wessel is probably scum, but I'm not sure about stardust.
Oh man. It's like WOLG realized all of a sudden that he'd backed himself into a corner where he was the only logical NK target for the scum given his claim (thus, we should leave him alive, he suggests), and then tried to finagle his way into getting us to lynch Iso so that he would have an excuse to still be alive tomorrow.
We got this.
I was the only logical NK. Granted, I haven't slept in the past day or two and I've been re-reading the game a crapton. I keep forgetting that Iso's "lynch" wouldn't give me an ability.
Does anyone else realize how insane it is that ISO WAS NEVER TESTED?
I've read and re-read this game to the point that I can't figure out the last scum.
I'd like to say that Az is Town based on Behavior and ZDS should be town based on Az's information. A_E has consistantly done nothing all game, and I tried to get a solid read on him by providing a case against him, to which he's said nothing.
The only reason I've thought Iso was town was because he could prove his ability, but it seems the rest of you don't care about him proving his ability since you're so focused on lynching the cop.
Cyan is still holding back info after a mass claim about what his last ability is, and fixated on me so that he wouldn't get lynched.
It's a crappy situation to be in D4 as a cop and have no investigations.
Someone give me a better reason than "I think WoLG is the last scum" to NOT test Iso today. If you do, I'll vote myself.
You really, really want to screw with Iso's ability somehow.
Nice OMGUS, by the way. Wanna make good on that case that I decided out of nowhere to bus both buddies on day one?
I've mentioned multiple times that I don't think that there's a third scum, but a 2nd neutral. I don't think you're either, but if you are, you deserve to win the game at this point. If I get lynched today, and you're town, you're probably dead tonight. Do you trust the other 4 to pick scum out between them?
Alright, Cyan. I can envision interpreting the first post through the opposite alignment, and I'm seeing some of the inconsistencies you've been pointing out, a post that looked like a bus from Zionite, and a general absence of strong town tells. Plus, he gets really touchy whenever he's poked at, which probably isn't as in-line with a town cop mentality as I was thinking. Town cops tend to react more in a quiet, "you don't want to screw with me" sort of way, while WOLG has gone on high alert several times, pretty fast.
The only real evidence that was keeping him on my town ledger was his first post, and his post where he said Iso should "feel bad" for having a scum read on him. But both of those are ambiguous evidence, not clear-cut favorable.
Cyan, by contrast, has had much more natural sounding thought processes and cases. WoLG's posts often sound a lot more like attack jobs.
Vote: WoLG.
If we're wrong, kill Cyan tomorrow, based on both having claimed limited cop roles.
If you're scum, you've just won the game by setting up this false dichotomy.
With 4 scum roles, why wouldn't there be 2 investigative roles?
Also: Why not test Iso and have him kill me tomorrow?
Regardless of if I get an investigation, Iso needs to be tested in order for the town to win. Vote: Iso
I'd vote myself right now if it wouldn't cost the town the game.
I'm completely fine with dying. I was right about Zionite, and that's cool for me. I've never successfully caught someone that early in game before and that makes this a win for me even if the town looses.
I just don't see why the rest of you wouldn't test Iso and have him daykill me tomorrow. That way Iso is confirmed, I have a shot at an investigation. If I'm telling the truth, I'm dead during the night. If I'm lying, Iso kills me tomorrow and the town wins.
If Iso is telling the truth about his role, he's town and wins with the rest of us. If he's lying, then he's scum and the town wins today with his lynch.
If you lynch me today, that leaves no scum dead and no ability related gains for tomorrow. Then Az gets killed tonight and you have:
AE who's contributed next to nothing this game, and who's ability is questionable at best and not proven.
ZDS who you all were calling scum and tried to lynch D1.
Iso who could very well be scum who lied about his claim early to throw us all off.
Cyan who's could be the scum roleblocker who blocked ZDS N1 for town points, then bussed Axel with a fake investigation because his lynch was a forgone conclusion.
Even if you think lynching me today is the right play, it works out better to test Iso and give me a shot at an investigation. If I'm alive in the morning, give me time to post my result and then immediately daykill me.
@Iso: Does your daykill end the day? If not, that wins the game for us tomorrow. Unvote, Vote: Iso so he can daykill me tomorrow.
When it came to interacting with Zionite, he looked fantastic. This is certainly a point in his favor, but not a huge one, given that Zionite was so ridiculously scummy, and that WOLG gave up on the Zionite wagon for awhile.
I didn't "give up" on the Zionite wagon, I stopped slamming my head into a brick wall trying to show everyone how scummy he was. I knew he was scum from the first time he voted A_E, and was terrible at articulating why I felt so.
And beyond that, the rest of WOLG's interactions are awful. He spent all of Day 1 being buddies with Axelrod, and only came around to attacking him after Azrael started doing so. He tried to keep Void from outing himself on Day 1, and tried to keep him from getting lynched on Day 2. He was consistently inconsistent in regard to ZDS and AE.
Axel felt really pro town to me on D1. He didn't start feeling scum until after Az walloftexted his interactions with Zionite. You say I was buddy-buddy with him in 242, but that's because I thought he was town and was being misguided in his attack on me. I was trying to reason through my posts and actions with him so that we could get on with lynching Zionite.
In regard to ZDS wagon: I didn't have a hard scum read on him, but I saw where other players were coming from. I posted something that I found wrong with his behavior. At that point he hadn't been scummy enough for my vote. You say I was setting myself up to get on his wagon at that point, but if I wanted to be on that wagon, I would have voted him.
You make a point about me agreeing with ZDS's logic about Zionite even though I find ZDS slightly scummy...and I don't understand where you're coming from. ZDS's alignment has nothing to do with his logic in that regard.
You also say that I haven't had a buddy-buddy tone with anyone else this game, but I disagree. I think Az is town, so I talk to him as I would a confirmed townie, just like I did with Axel until he shut down after Az attacked him. Actually, wait, you say that in your analysis of post 552.
You may think it's bad play on my part, but as soon as Seppel stopped that lynch he was confirmed town to me. If he would have flipped scum I'd feel like an idiot, but that's a call I'll make again in any game I'm in. It wasn't solely the ability, it was the way he did it combined with stopping a wagon I wasn't fully behind that made him town to me.
Multiple times you talk as if I'm scum communicating with Axel in thread, and say something about Scum night talk. The scum have daychat in this game, I wouldn't need to do either of those things.
Says he is going to take a closer look at Az's analysis of interactions. I don't know why he feels the need to do this, or even if it happens. We'll see.
I did. I went back and re-read the game at that point.
Apparently he has changed his mind about AE as of this post.
Instead he is now going after ZDS, despite repeatedly declaring him town on Day 1.
Starts to waffle on Axelrod. That's an awfully strong turnaround from someone that he has declared definitively town on multiple occassions.
Has completely given up his 'Axelrod is super town' stance, and is now effectively acknowledging that Axelrod should die, just..not yet.
This backpedal from his earlier stances is just so awful. It feel like he realized that the town was just going to go along with Azrael and was trying to play damage control.
I changed my mind on my reads about players after a read through and analysis of the game. You trying to paint me as scum for changing my mind is ridiculous.
[/quote]Post 776:
Tries to keep Void alive, despite the fact that Void might as well have claimed neutral scum that can kill. This is consistent with my earlier assessment that WOLG, as scum, wanted to keep around a neutral that could provide more dead bodies. [/quote]
At that point I believed his claim that he was a neutral survivor. He said he needed a cyan alive to win and claimed he had no kill. My role name is a cyan, so I figured that as a distinct possibility. Also, lynching a neutral would not allow me to have an investigation, whereas finding another mafia would help the town, or if we mislynched, I'd gain an investigation and have more to analyze.
Post 778:
Immediately backs down from his previous assessment that we should try to kill another mafia today, and that settling for any non-town is okay.
I realized I was being selfish and possibly lynching a townie so that I could clear/condemn another was stupid of me.
He has been essentially grossly wrong about everything BUT Zionite, which leads me to the conclusion that he was just bussing him.
Vote WOLG
If Iso is telling the truth, I was right about that too.
Not fond of WolG's neutral hunting. It's a convenient excuse to ignore/not have to perform behavioural analysis.
Not fond of WolG's neutral hunting pointing toward Cyan. It's convenient again, and there's nothing neutral about a JoaT.
I haven't seen any interactions between players that looks like a third mafia member and a three man team with daykilling SK seems rough to me. No proof there's a 2nd neutral, but I feel strongly that there is one.
Not fond of WolG still not proactively interrogating anyone despite claiming he was going to at the end of Day 3.
So you mean you asked Xyre and he answered you within the half hour (after Iso's post)? What a conveniently quick mod.
I haven't had much time to do a full re-read through on the game yet. I might not have the time to do it, we'll see. I also wasn't expecting any kind of suspicion on me, considering most people considered me town yesterday and I haven't done any night actions to warrant any type of change in attitude.
You're overusing the word convenient in order to paint me in a negative light.
And that second part is awful. You are not convinced Cyan is scum so you want to see how bad his logic is? You mean you expect you will be convinced Cyan is scum once he's done? How convenient.
Nope. I never said I expected to be convinced of his scumminess. I said that we'll see. If he's scum, he'd have to use some pretty bad logic to come up with a viable case of lynching me. If he shows good logic and town motives in his case, I'll think he's town.
ZDS: I feel like you're tunneling hard into me being scum because you're worried that attention is going to turn back to you. I figured this would have worn off after Az got his results back on you.
I'll respond to ZDS and Cyan here when I get time, but before that: Lets lynch and test Iso, and he can shoot me tomorrow if my responses don't make you think I'm town.
Also, @ ZDS: Xyre happened to be online and responded to my pm pretty quickly. You're really going to use that against me?
"Yeah, down to the business of lynching you." Sir Karn states with a disapproving look.
The argument between Generic and Sir Karn grows heated with accusations flying at each other like pills into House's mouth. They start yelling over one another and some of the staff looks on in horror as veins pop out in their foreheads. Some of you ignore the action all together and try to hold side conversations.
A patient wanders into the room with nothing on but a paper gown and and toting their IV pole, obviously looking to get some assistance. A few of you head over to help, but then the patient notices the Generic and Sir Karn at each others throats.
The yelling halted for a brief while when the patient walked in, but with such high tensions running it's no surprise that the two have resorted to physical violence. LnGrrrR watches the altercation with amusement. Prophylaxis gives LnGrrrR a stern look, then manages to break Generic and Sir Karn apart, dodging insults as well as their physical advances.
A nurse comes by to escort the patient back to their room, and as they waddle away you notice a rectal thermometer wedged in between their exposed buttcheeks. A quick laugh is shard between a few of you, and the hostility commences.
...
With 12 players alive, it's 7 to lynch!
Tom (1): Vitek
Cythare (2): Condoms, Generic
Generic (5): Sir Karn, Cythare, TeH JeY, Swishh, Tom
LnGrrrR (2): Prophylaxis, Klevenklop
Not currently voting (2): LnGrrrR, Killjoy
Iso is glad you agree with his analysis. I'm also of a mind that Wessel is probably scum, but I'm not sure about stardust.
Vote: Wessel
I was the only logical NK. Granted, I haven't slept in the past day or two and I've been re-reading the game a crapton. I keep forgetting that Iso's "lynch" wouldn't give me an ability.
Does anyone else realize how insane it is that ISO WAS NEVER TESTED?
Good job Az for hammering me before ANYONE COULD READ MY DEFENSE
I'd like to say that Az is Town based on Behavior and ZDS should be town based on Az's information. A_E has consistantly done nothing all game, and I tried to get a solid read on him by providing a case against him, to which he's said nothing.
The only reason I've thought Iso was town was because he could prove his ability, but it seems the rest of you don't care about him proving his ability since you're so focused on lynching the cop.
Cyan is still holding back info after a mass claim about what his last ability is, and fixated on me so that he wouldn't get lynched.
It's a crappy situation to be in D4 as a cop and have no investigations.
Someone give me a better reason than "I think WoLG is the last scum" to NOT test Iso today. If you do, I'll vote myself.
I've mentioned multiple times that I don't think that there's a third scum, but a 2nd neutral. I don't think you're either, but if you are, you deserve to win the game at this point. If I get lynched today, and you're town, you're probably dead tonight. Do you trust the other 4 to pick scum out between them?
If you're scum, you've just won the game by setting up this false dichotomy.
With 4 scum roles, why wouldn't there be 2 investigative roles?
Also: Why not test Iso and have him kill me tomorrow?
Regardless of if I get an investigation, Iso needs to be tested in order for the town to win.
Vote: Iso
I'd vote myself right now if it wouldn't cost the town the game.
Unvote
I just don't see why the rest of you wouldn't test Iso and have him daykill me tomorrow. That way Iso is confirmed, I have a shot at an investigation. If I'm telling the truth, I'm dead during the night. If I'm lying, Iso kills me tomorrow and the town wins.
If Iso is telling the truth about his role, he's town and wins with the rest of us. If he's lying, then he's scum and the town wins today with his lynch.
If you lynch me today, that leaves no scum dead and no ability related gains for tomorrow. Then Az gets killed tonight and you have:
AE who's contributed next to nothing this game, and who's ability is questionable at best and not proven.
ZDS who you all were calling scum and tried to lynch D1.
Iso who could very well be scum who lied about his claim early to throw us all off.
Cyan who's could be the scum roleblocker who blocked ZDS N1 for town points, then bussed Axel with a fake investigation because his lynch was a forgone conclusion.
Even if you think lynching me today is the right play, it works out better to test Iso and give me a shot at an investigation. If I'm alive in the morning, give me time to post my result and then immediately daykill me.
@Iso: Does your daykill end the day? If not, that wins the game for us tomorrow.
Unvote, Vote: Iso so he can daykill me tomorrow.
I didn't "give up" on the Zionite wagon, I stopped slamming my head into a brick wall trying to show everyone how scummy he was. I knew he was scum from the first time he voted A_E, and was terrible at articulating why I felt so.
Axel felt really pro town to me on D1. He didn't start feeling scum until after Az walloftexted his interactions with Zionite. You say I was buddy-buddy with him in 242, but that's because I thought he was town and was being misguided in his attack on me. I was trying to reason through my posts and actions with him so that we could get on with lynching Zionite.
In regard to ZDS wagon: I didn't have a hard scum read on him, but I saw where other players were coming from. I posted something that I found wrong with his behavior. At that point he hadn't been scummy enough for my vote. You say I was setting myself up to get on his wagon at that point, but if I wanted to be on that wagon, I would have voted him.
You make a point about me agreeing with ZDS's logic about Zionite even though I find ZDS slightly scummy...and I don't understand where you're coming from. ZDS's alignment has nothing to do with his logic in that regard.
You also say that I haven't had a buddy-buddy tone with anyone else this game, but I disagree. I think Az is town, so I talk to him as I would a confirmed townie, just like I did with Axel until he shut down after Az attacked him. Actually, wait, you say that in your analysis of post 552.
You may think it's bad play on my part, but as soon as Seppel stopped that lynch he was confirmed town to me. If he would have flipped scum I'd feel like an idiot, but that's a call I'll make again in any game I'm in. It wasn't solely the ability, it was the way he did it combined with stopping a wagon I wasn't fully behind that made him town to me.
Multiple times you talk as if I'm scum communicating with Axel in thread, and say something about Scum night talk. The scum have daychat in this game, I wouldn't need to do either of those things.
I did. I went back and re-read the game at that point.
I changed my mind on my reads about players after a read through and analysis of the game. You trying to paint me as scum for changing my mind is ridiculous.
[/quote]Post 776:
Tries to keep Void alive, despite the fact that Void might as well have claimed neutral scum that can kill. This is consistent with my earlier assessment that WOLG, as scum, wanted to keep around a neutral that could provide more dead bodies. [/quote]
At that point I believed his claim that he was a neutral survivor. He said he needed a cyan alive to win and claimed he had no kill. My role name is a cyan, so I figured that as a distinct possibility. Also, lynching a neutral would not allow me to have an investigation, whereas finding another mafia would help the town, or if we mislynched, I'd gain an investigation and have more to analyze.
I realized I was being selfish and possibly lynching a townie so that I could clear/condemn another was stupid of me.
If Iso is telling the truth, I was right about that too.
I haven't seen any interactions between players that looks like a third mafia member and a three man team with daykilling SK seems rough to me. No proof there's a 2nd neutral, but I feel strongly that there is one.
I haven't had much time to do a full re-read through on the game yet. I might not have the time to do it, we'll see. I also wasn't expecting any kind of suspicion on me, considering most people considered me town yesterday and I haven't done any night actions to warrant any type of change in attitude.
You're overusing the word convenient in order to paint me in a negative light.
Nope. I never said I expected to be convinced of his scumminess. I said that we'll see. If he's scum, he'd have to use some pretty bad logic to come up with a viable case of lynching me. If he shows good logic and town motives in his case, I'll think he's town.
ZDS: I feel like you're tunneling hard into me being scum because you're worried that attention is going to turn back to you. I figured this would have worn off after Az got his results back on you.
Also, @ ZDS: Xyre happened to be online and responded to my pm pretty quickly. You're really going to use that against me?