You don't.
If the whole table is trying to make one person lose, that person should lose. If they don't, the deck power gap is so great that you are no longer playing a real game.
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Carthage posted a message on Control decks: How do you stay alive against the whole table attacking you early?Posted in: Commander (EDH) -
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3drinks posted a message on Random Card of the Final Day: Maelstrom NexusPosted in: Commander (EDH)Quote from tstorm823 »Maelstrom Nexus
This card was not picked randomly, but it picks randomly itself, so I consider that a reasonable trade.
I know that I'm half a year shy of my intended tenure on this thread, but this is the thread's finale, my final Random Card of the Day. I don't know if anyone has a mind to pick up where I left off with a new random card thread here on Salvation, but there is a successor already rolling elsewhere full of familiar faces for those interested.
It's been great doing this, thank you to everyone who made this thread fun every day.
I thank you for the opportunity to carry on the legacy of this thread, a forum game and mtgsally tradition that has become one of the more looked forward to games to-date. And, thank you for allowing the opportunity to hand this tradition over to my hands. -
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tstorm823 posted a message on Random Card of the Final Day: Maelstrom NexusMaelstrom NexusPosted in: Commander (EDH)
This card was not picked randomly, but it picks randomly itself, so I consider that a reasonable trade.
I know that I'm half a year shy of my intended tenure on this thread, but this is the thread's finale, my final Random Card of the Day. I don't know if anyone has a mind to pick up where I left off with a new random card thread here on Salvation, but there is a successor already rolling elsewhere full of familiar faces for those interested.
It's been great doing this, thank you to everyone who made this thread fun every day. -
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PenguinPete posted a message on Random Card of the Day - HIATUSHow could one card have so much text and do so little?Posted in: Commander (EDH)
Not sure why I would pick this over Hurr Jackal, and I never play Hurr Jackal.
Hurr Jackal needs to live up to his name and be all cross-eyed and buck-toothed and goofy. Then it's be worth the slot.
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Mercury01 posted a message on Prison effectsPosted in: Commander (EDH)Quote from KodiakCutpurse »Let us not leave out the beautiful Koskun Falls. It conveniently doubles as ever needed anti-Enchant World tech.
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hyalopterouslemur posted a message on [[SCD]] Random Card of the Day (12/31) - Time StopSomeone has to mention constellation.Posted in: Commander (EDH)
< just mentioned constellation
This triggers every constellation effect, every "whenever a creature ETB" effect you control. Put it on Dryad Arbor to trigger every landfall effect too. Or just put it on an artifact creature to trigger "whenever an artifact ETB" effects. *has a total Johnnygasm at the things I can do with Flickerform* - To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
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When I dismantle a deck, it's usually because I've had my fun with it, and it's time to move on to something new. There's only so many times I could cast Maelstrom Wanderer before calling retiring the deck. Same with tutoring flying creatures with Isperia the Inscrutable. Or blowing people up with Neheb, the Eternal.
The other times I take apart a deck is when it's an idea that does not seem to have a viable execution. I did this most recently with O-Kagachi, Vengeful Kami, where I wanted to put other players in a bind of attacking me (and suffering OK's vengeful exile ability), or to punish them for not attacking me (with cards like Luminarch Ascension). Sadly, there were not enough cards to execute the strategy, and players would often dance around OK's punishment with removal (despite my best efforts to protect OK and/or give him haste). I have many other decks that have failed in execution, OK only being the most recent.
As for feeling bad that I've spent money on it... well, no. I've had my fun with the cards I played in my decks; I got a value of joy out of them incommensurate to the money I paid. Further, these cards aren't 'used up' or anything; many I owned before from previous EDH decks, and will be stored away to be played again in another. Even in decks that are relatively short-lived, such as in OK's case, I had Luminarch Ascension in many decks before OK, and will play it again in the future. Any singles I bought to include in OK will have the same life cycle, finding their way into decks, being dismantled and stored away, only to resurface again.
My perspective on it might be different, though. I often buy cards long before they live in an EDH deck, some of which I think because they are neat in form or function. Case and Point, I think I've owned a Defiler of Souls for around 8 years now, but it only just found its way into a deck in the last month (Niv-Mizzet Reborn has no mono-coloured creatures, and Defiler gets drawn by Niv). I've also spent so much money on Magic over the time I've played that, at this point, any regret for an individual purchase or set of purchases would be a bucket of water next to a lake.
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Mimic Vat functions on its own just fine with its two abilities. One, the Imprint ability, and then the activated ability. That makes sense.
Let's consider Mairsil, the Pretender, with a Mimic Vat and a Shauku, Endbringer in the exile zone with a cage counter on both of them.
Mairsil has three abilities:
1. "When Mairsil, the Pretender enters the battlefield, you may exile an artifact or creature card from your hand or graveyard and put a cage counter on it."
2. "{T}: Exile target creature and put a +1/+1 counter on Shauku. Activate this ability only once per turn."
3. "{3}, {T}: Create a token that’s a copy of a card exiled with Mimic Vat. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step. Activate this ability only once per turn."
For abilities 2 and 3, Rule 201.4b states that that name reference basically mean "this card" or, in this case, Mairsil (instead of "Shauku" or "Mimic Vat").
Rule 607.1a states that "An ability printed on an object within another ability that grants that ability to that object is considered to be “printed on” that object for these purposes." I take this to mean that both abilities 2 and 3 are "printed on" Mairsil.
Rule 607.2, previously cited, states that "If an object has an activated or triggered ability printed on it that instructs a player to exile one or more cards and an ability printed on it that refers either to “the exiled cards” or to cards “exiled with [this object],” these abilities are linked. The second ability refers only to cards in the exile zone that were put there as a result of an instruction to exile them in the first ability."
Ability 1 and ability 2 are activated or triggered abilities that exile one or more cards. Check, seems okay.
Ability 3 uses the words "Exiled with [this object]". Check, seems okay.
I would conclude that these abilities are linked, even though they were never intended to be. I don't understand why are the exiled cards not considered linked.
(nb. This is really hard for me to grok. This is less argument, and more exploratory logic.)
cc: @DirkGently
Edit: So, I asked some judges and they said that Linked abilities are never divorced from their source, and that Mimic Vat essentially has a serial number for its triggered ability, and will only make copies of things with that serial number. My interpretation of the rules is incorrect; though it might make sense in English, it does not make sense in Magicese.
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Obviously the aggressive cast and equip cost are countered by the need for a board investment. That doesn't make it worthless, and it's fairly possible for it to have some serious bonuses even without comboing with Enchanted Evening.
I would strongly consider playing this in Estrid, Heliod, and realistically any other Enchantress deck.
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It was less about disposable income and more about timing for me. I got back into Magic in 2008 and rabidly bought all the singles I ever wanted. At some point, I realized that I had better buy the reserved list cards I wanted, because they would be unavailable later; case and point, when Gray Merchant of Asphodel was spoiled, I went out and bought my one copy of Invoke Prejudice (for $35, moderately played)... since 'devotion to black' was a mechanic, I had some serious suspicion that 'devotion to blue' would also be a mechanic. No surprise later, by Born of the Gods, it was $150, and has never come back down. In hindsight, I was probably wrong about the reason for the spike ('Devotion to blue' appears on precious few cards).
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Same, but mostly EDH. I want to get into Modern, but haven't had the time.
I think Jin hasn't seen real play since Griselbrand was printed. I remember initially that people were running a couple of each, but eventually lists were just 4 Griselbrand, utility targets, and no Jins. The reasoning (when I was playing) was that if your opponent has Karakas already out or a Swords to Plowshares ready that you don't have a counter for, Griselbrand still has a game-winning impact, where Jin probably does nothing.
He just kind of got out-powered by Griselbrand, I think.
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<rant> Magic prices mostly make me super sad. I play with people who are like, 5-10 years younger than me, and it bothers me that they won't be able to play a lot of cards that I really enjoy. I realize a lot of it is nostalgia for me, but, some of it is also having a level playing field. When Mana Drain was spoiled in Iconic Masters, some of my friends were so stoked, and I thought to myself "Oh, I can dust off my copy now that they have access." When I first played it, they had to look at it; they had never even seen a Legends Mana Drain. There are so many cards that are, for all practical purposes, out of reach; I have singleton copies of All Hallows Eve, Eureka, Invoke Prejudice; lots of cards that are now between $250 and $500, but for reasonable purposes, no one wants to pay $200+ for a card, even if it has fairly unique functionality. My ceiling has historically been around $250, and I felt that was extreme for a casual player. Even relatively replaceable garbage like Jihad and Mirror Universe are so expensive now. </rant>
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