I don't even know what claim you're talking about, Grape. This thread has too much of people quoting entire paragraphs/posts so that they can respond to one line, which makes it hard to read anything.
And it doesn't matter that his being the Doc comes from an item. Everything in this game is based on items, as far as I can tell. Some roles can probably utilize certain items better than others. Etcetera.
I'm also sure there are some roles that can take better advantage of items, but not all abilities are based on them. My partial claim (which was that I can destroy items) is not based on an item at all for example. And if I am wrong and Vezok is in fact town he can leave the bandages (which he has given no indication is better in his hands than anyone elses) to someone he believes is town.
Look I have a few inklings he is town, and the bandages could be legit, but I don't believe his item destruction ability given my own and his behavior specifically his push on Iso where he went into an ISO of another game looking for a result rather than with an open mind makes me strongly believe he is scum.
Which is it? Is it enough to keep him alive or he could be scum? Being left alone vs being lynched or forced to drink the potion are kind of polar opposites.
And I'm not soft claiming. I hard claimed part of my role because it's relevant to the current discussion.
Wasnt even talking about you... didnt even know you soft claimed...
Well you could answer the first and more important part of my question then. And then go back and look for a claim which seems like it would be the natural reaction to finding out I claimed. Not just dismissing it as unwanted information.
How are you always this scummy, yet still make me believe you're town?
Hey! I'm not the only one who missed that part of the rules. That's reassuring.
@Cyan if he's telling the truth his doc'iness comes from an item he can will to someone. Not inherently from his role. And I have strong reason to believe other parts of his role are not town. Also I'm kind of befuddled by the complete ignoring of my claim. Did everyone not see it? How did the conversation around cults garner more attention than my partial CC?
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I agree with u that Vez should be left alone, Doctor + sanity giver, is enough to keep him a live for now, but these roles can easily be scum as well... IMO he should be either lynched, or should drink the potion, if he doesnt clear himself as he says he can
also too many soft claims, if you gunna claim, then just claim...
Which is it? Is it enough to keep him alive or he could be scum? Being left alone vs being lynched or forced to drink the potion are kind of polar opposites.
And I'm not soft claiming. I hard claimed part of my role because it's relevant to the current discussion.
I'm fine with you not claiming sanity or money. No problems there. And I see it now. I wasn't opening the spoiler >_> <_< -_-
Still want to lynch you for the vault ability though.
At first I thought it might be a good idea to buy the auction logs and put them in the safe. That was before terry told us what they do. After I saw what the holy water did I thought this ability would look scummy as you can lock it inside the safe forever. I'm sure it has it's uses.
I'm not voting you for it because it's inherently scummy. Well I'm not just voting you for your role period.
Ehhh enough being cryptic. Not full claiming but I have an ability that let's me remove items from the game. Vezok claiming another role that does that combined with his behavior has me happy to lynch him.
I do think the vault is the weirdest part of vezok's role and sounds like he steals items and hides them away or something like that. Which means we probably have an item cop in the setup.
I'm sure vezok would have told us if he could allow other people to access his vault...isn't that right, vezok?
Also, thank you for confirming my suspicions that your team's kill is sanity-based.
Har har har...
But yeah his whole claim is weird. I guess the key to the vault is that it doesn't get willed to others which I missed the first time. And if that's the case I really want to lynch him with fire. Like real badly. The ownership thing is by far the weirdest part to me. I'm struggling to see how that is anything but a scum role. Why would town care who willed them items (especially given that wills are read out publicly. This just isn't a town role.
Listen to me Grape. Why would I claim my one-shot almost useless ability that is somewhat scummy if I was scum? Granted I hesitated in claiming it now, because I thought exactly something like this might happen.
Also the wills are posted in thread after someone dies. Everybody knows who willed what to whom. My ability only works for identifying who is auctioning an item.
Right but there is no mention in the rules of players putting items up for auction. I just read them 3 times. There is a passing mention of items have cooldowns tied to the items to prevent players from selling them to get around the CD's but no mention of players being able to put their own items up for auction. So unless I'm missing something obvious I'm not sure where your ability comes into play.
And I understand the uselessness of claiming a scummy ability as scum, but I also can't shake how weird your ability is despite it being claimed so specifically. You really need to full claim I think.
On the Ruby does it have a different activation window to the bandages? Is it use limited? Because having an ability that let's you give one sanity to someone else at will seems pretty strong to me.
Anyway your vault ability is making me want to lynch you regardless of any of the rest of this.
@Iso @Shadow Do neither of you find Vezok's role strange? You both commented on it before I did and neither of you mentioned the strangeness in those posts. Iso you get at it a bit in your reply to me, but that's the first mention of it being strange. Your initial reaction is just that it doesn't deter your scum read.
But yeah it strikes me as a bit off that neither of you mention how weird it is. Given the lack of rules text about limits on items or explaining transfer of ownership in anyway except publicly by Will it feels like you should have been intruiged and not just on the kill delay/sanity donation part of his role. RE's reaction is more what I'd expect. Noting it's odd and not really being comforted by the specificity.
I do think the vault is the weirdest part of vezok's role and sounds like he steals items and hides them away or something like that. Which means we probably have an item cop in the setup.
I'm sure vezok would have told us if he could allow other people to access his vault...isn't that right, vezok?
Also, thank you for confirming my suspicions that your team's kill is sanity-based.
Har har har...
But yeah his whole claim is weird. I guess the key to the vault is that it doesn't get willed to others which I missed the first time. And if that's the case I really want to lynch him with fire. Like real badly. The ownership thing is by far the weirdest part to me. I'm struggling to see how that is anything but a scum role. Why would town care who willed them items (especially given that wills are read out publicly. This just isn't a town role.
Also yeah it's definitely more of a note for later Iso. I'm town reading you and think you make 0 sense with Vezok who I believe is scum even with this claim. It's much more if Vezok flips town and one of those were to flip scum it would make me take a closer look at you. For now I'm not interested though.
Iso seems to be referring to the sanity granting as the protective part of your role. Not the kill delaying (hence his referring to mafia abilities). You need to talk about your other items and abilities though. Why do you need a vault that let's you keep items forever? There are no posted rules about items having to be used and not being able to keep them. Same with money. Nor is their any mention of a maximum inventory amount. So I'm finding that to be a very peculiar claim. Not necessarily scummy because it's so oddly specific, but strange. And against my understanding of how the game mechanics work.
Same with finding out who an item belongs to. Is possession different from ownership? Why does that exist? It makes no sense at all to me.
And that's similar to your sanity transferring ability, that one makes sense. You calling it worthless does not. Clearly that is a very powerful ability given the sanity costs we've seen on items. Why would you call it worthless?
Also DBS yes he has been a D1 lynch in my experience. See prison block mafia for example. And has been under mild to heavy suspicion in each D1 I've read.
@Grapefruit: So you think that my interactions with Atog and Silver make me more likely to be scum with them?
I'm also curious as to why you think I could be scum with tom.
It's more the wagon dynamics than your interactions. The consistent Vezok pressure fits if you're buddies with Silver and especially Atog. I don't really think you're scum, just that if those two are both scum your push on Vezok would fit with what those two have been doing (which in Atog's case isn't much).
As for tom it's more that the little dance he did around "If Vezok is town I'd expect scum to be pushing him by now." I think you're townie, but if tom were to flip scum I'd look hard at your other interactions and see if I could find other distancing.
@Wisp I don't see how a post you said
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"Lets lynch scum" is exactly what you said towards me, is it not? Exactly when did I drop down to a scum lean, rather than being a confirmed scum to you? I know this as nothing to do with the stated post, but it just had me wondering...
Though I do agree, if you are gunna ISO, it should look more fluid, and less bias... but would scum make an ISO scum reading almost if not all posts from a town?
about is a post that flipped your view on Rhand's alignment. That still reads as mostly a negative reaction to it. Why is that vote enough for you? You previously didn't like his "naked" votes and that one isn't exactly rigorously explained.
I kind of want to town read Vezok because he is so far out on his own plane out here. But it's a scummy plane. So shrug
Also the second part of 1015 is just so opportunistic. Why on earth would RE's pretty sure there be AI? What does she gain by hedging that as a known tactic?
@DBS I just can't disagree with you strongly enough about Vezok being "clean" behaviorally. He's behaviorally to me the scummiest person in the game, he just also feels completely isolated in a way that seems townie. Going to ride the behavioral read here though. Even expanding out and looking at other game he's pretty much always viewed as someone who is scummy behaviorally. As both alignments. I get that you like how he reacted to you telling him to focus on things other than mechanics, but that's one instance of behavior. Do you think his "case" on Iso is clean?
I'm always happy to disappoint. What about it made you sad specifically though?
@Wisp you said the post below saves Rhand but you have issues with his next post you touch on. Is there a third post you liked but didn't feel was worthy of comment?
Things had started to deteriorate in the neighborhood. Tensions were high and no one could be trusted. Someone shouted "we don't even know his face! How can we trust someone we've never seen?" The cry was quickly taken up and the circle tighten around Wilson. Then silence.
Vezokpiraka has been lynched. He was Woodrow W. Wilson (Wilson) Jr. mafia goon.
It is now N1. D2 will start Thursday at 12:01 a.m. EST. You have ubtil then to submit night actions. You may post in your neighborhoods freely overnight.
I'm also sure there are some roles that can take better advantage of items, but not all abilities are based on them. My partial claim (which was that I can destroy items) is not based on an item at all for example. And if I am wrong and Vezok is in fact town he can leave the bandages (which he has given no indication is better in his hands than anyone elses) to someone he believes is town.
Look I have a few inklings he is town, and the bandages could be legit, but I don't believe his item destruction ability given my own and his behavior specifically his push on Iso where he went into an ISO of another game looking for a result rather than with an open mind makes me strongly believe he is scum.
Well you could answer the first and more important part of my question then. And then go back and look for a claim which seems like it would be the natural reaction to finding out I claimed. Not just dismissing it as unwanted information.
How are you always this scummy, yet still make me believe you're town?
@Cyan if he's telling the truth his doc'iness comes from an item he can will to someone. Not inherently from his role. And I have strong reason to believe other parts of his role are not town. Also I'm kind of befuddled by the complete ignoring of my claim. Did everyone not see it? How did the conversation around cults garner more attention than my partial CC?
Which is it? Is it enough to keep him alive or he could be scum? Being left alone vs being lynched or forced to drink the potion are kind of polar opposites.
And I'm not soft claiming. I hard claimed part of my role because it's relevant to the current discussion.
I'm not voting you for it because it's inherently scummy. Well I'm not just voting you for your role period.
Ehhh enough being cryptic. Not full claiming but I have an ability that let's me remove items from the game. Vezok claiming another role that does that combined with his behavior has me happy to lynch him.
Still want to lynch you for the vault ability though.
Right but there is no mention in the rules of players putting items up for auction. I just read them 3 times. There is a passing mention of items have cooldowns tied to the items to prevent players from selling them to get around the CD's but no mention of players being able to put their own items up for auction. So unless I'm missing something obvious I'm not sure where your ability comes into play.
And I understand the uselessness of claiming a scummy ability as scum, but I also can't shake how weird your ability is despite it being claimed so specifically. You really need to full claim I think.
On the Ruby does it have a different activation window to the bandages? Is it use limited? Because having an ability that let's you give one sanity to someone else at will seems pretty strong to me.
Anyway your vault ability is making me want to lynch you regardless of any of the rest of this.
But yeah it strikes me as a bit off that neither of you mention how weird it is. Given the lack of rules text about limits on items or explaining transfer of ownership in anyway except publicly by Will it feels like you should have been intruiged and not just on the kill delay/sanity donation part of his role. RE's reaction is more what I'd expect. Noting it's odd and not really being comforted by the specificity.
Har har har...
But yeah his whole claim is weird. I guess the key to the vault is that it doesn't get willed to others which I missed the first time. And if that's the case I really want to lynch him with fire. Like real badly. The ownership thing is by far the weirdest part to me. I'm struggling to see how that is anything but a scum role. Why would town care who willed them items (especially given that wills are read out publicly. This just isn't a town role.
Same with finding out who an item belongs to. Is possession different from ownership? Why does that exist? It makes no sense at all to me.
And that's similar to your sanity transferring ability, that one makes sense. You calling it worthless does not. Clearly that is a very powerful ability given the sanity costs we've seen on items. Why would you call it worthless?
Also DBS yes he has been a D1 lynch in my experience. See prison block mafia for example. And has been under mild to heavy suspicion in each D1 I've read.
Sleep time now.
It's more the wagon dynamics than your interactions. The consistent Vezok pressure fits if you're buddies with Silver and especially Atog. I don't really think you're scum, just that if those two are both scum your push on Vezok would fit with what those two have been doing (which in Atog's case isn't much).
As for tom it's more that the little dance he did around "If Vezok is town I'd expect scum to be pushing him by now." I think you're townie, but if tom were to flip scum I'd look hard at your other interactions and see if I could find other distancing.
@Wisp I don't see how a post you said about is a post that flipped your view on Rhand's alignment. That still reads as mostly a negative reaction to it. Why is that vote enough for you? You previously didn't like his "naked" votes and that one isn't exactly rigorously explained.
I kind of want to town read Vezok because he is so far out on his own plane out here. But it's a scummy plane. So shrug
Also the second part of 1015 is just so opportunistic. Why on earth would RE's pretty sure there be AI? What does she gain by hedging that as a known tactic?
@DBS I just can't disagree with you strongly enough about Vezok being "clean" behaviorally. He's behaviorally to me the scummiest person in the game, he just also feels completely isolated in a way that seems townie. Going to ride the behavioral read here though. Even expanding out and looking at other game he's pretty much always viewed as someone who is scummy behaviorally. As both alignments. I get that you like how he reacted to you telling him to focus on things other than mechanics, but that's one instance of behavior. Do you think his "case" on Iso is clean?
@Wisp you said the post below saves Rhand but you have issues with his next post you touch on. Is there a third post you liked but didn't feel was worthy of comment?
Vezokpiraka has been lynched. He was Woodrow W. Wilson (Wilson) Jr. mafia goon.
It is now N1. D2 will start Thursday at 12:01 a.m. EST. You have ubtil then to submit night actions. You may post in your neighborhoods freely overnight.