Quote from Proph »I think that the king election is neutral and the increased vote count requirement is definitely scum favored, but we've only seen two abilities thus far.
I just don't think that analyzing a dreaming god's abilities can tell you much of their alignment; it's better to just rely on behavior than to take a shortcut like that. And I don't think this is mafia Wisp.
Quote from KittyCupCake »If someone got an orb anyway, that'd mean it was a factional ability -so Arsonist, or whatever other neutral altwincon bs.
-Proph targeting Axel seemed off. Like, if the orb was a positive thing, then knowing I was planning to protect axel with the bd and deflect to someone I thought was scum didn't make sense. Why risk handing a positive orb to scum? And if they were negative, then shadow hitting Vez early is bad, and pointing it at Axel when I could have been lying, or changed my mind, or been interfered with is bad too. Nacho's claim didn't sound like he had gotten something different from vez. But also scumproph letting me target his ability felt off too. My thinking was that he didn't actually care where the orb went, just that it got out there. And wanted some cred for testing me, possibly to avoid blame for where it landed? It seemed like decent odds of a neutral, so I took a shot at being able to cop him with my RB. At worst, I figured even if Proph was town, the orbs couldn't be too important since he basically tossed it at random by targeting axel
Yeah, I kinda have a one track mind. I think Proph is more likely scum than not here. Too many RBs. The ability is awful and useless as claimed, way worse than my Winter which is already one of the worst abilities I've ever seen, like to the point of being nonsense. I think he probably tried to keep it close to his real ability, but also tried changing it to sound less scummy and just ended up with a ridiculous mess
The one thing giving me pause is again that he Targeted axel. Scum letting me choose a target is hard to wrap my head around, regardless of what the orbs might do
Quote from Keldeo »Oh, then what do you mean by flurry? I thought you meant the final push to lynch her right before the deadline, but that doesn't jibe with this. Do you mean just the longer post that she made before Nacho rescinded?
Quote from Keldeo »The weirdest thing to me about Proph's claim is how situational/specific it seems. But that situationality is weird regardless of alignment. He can't do anything but be a loud visitor until the first fall (d3 if we hadn't NLed), and even after that, his claimed role relies on someone specific targeting someone else specific - like, I can't imagine his orb effects proccing outside of a manufactured scenario, or a late endgame situation with only a few people left. I guess the latter fits with the "setting up for later" nature of the role concept?
I also don't really understand why shadow would use one of his x day shots targeting Vezok, but obviously Proph can't answer that for us.
Actually, one way to confirm his role would be like, use one of his day shots toDay to give person A a yellow orb, toNight give person B an orange orb, and have A also target B toNight and see if B is told A's role name. The question about whether testing would do anything for us is - if we believe he's telling the truth about the effect of yellow orbs, would we then believe he's town? His other claimed effects seem pretty pro-town, so if that part is true, it seems to me that it's probably just a fiddly, "meant-to-endgame" town role...?
Proph, can someone hold multiple orbs?
Quote from Lastwhisper »Ohh that's right there is no reason to believe my n0 stopped the NK night 1
Good point Grape
Quote from Prophylaxis »
Grapefruit: Not sure what I can tell you, it's my role.
Also I disagree with you about looking at Wisp. Think that dreaming god is designed to have positive and negative effects for the town, and evaluating his alignment based on how scummy or townie his dreaming god abilities are is kind of loose.
Quote from Lastwhisper »
You can either assume mafia chose to not use their kp n1, or someone stopped it, I wanna believe it was me, but there are some inconsistences with Gemma dying so idk
Quote from Prophylaxis »Alright so let me just come clean about my role because there are a lot of questions about it and I'd like to get them answered in this one post.
I'm Prospero, Town Enchanter.
My spring ability is I can give someone a green orb at Night.
My summer ability is that I can give someone a yellow orb at Night.
My winter ability is that I can give someone a blue orb at Night.
My fall ability is that I can give someone a orange orb at Night.
In addition, X times per game during the Day, I can pick an orb and give it to another player during the Day once per Day.
If a player with a green orb targets a player with an green or orange orb, they are roleblocked.
If a player with a yellow orb targets a player with a yellow or orange orb, their ability name is told to the player that is targeted.
If a player with a blue orb targets a player with a blue or orange orb, that player is protected from the first nightkill to target them during that Night.
Orange orbs have no effect but make the other orbs work.
Day 1 - shadow targets vezok with a blue orb.
Night 1 - I target Axel with a yellow orb. Gave my orb to Nacho instead.
Night 2 - I target dkings with a green orb. I was roleblocked.
Quote from Lastwhisper » fair point, but I also dont make very complex games, I like mine being basics or all vanilla
either way, this isn't relevant
Quote from Lastwhisper »no, I want everything to stay in-game, if I believe something needs to be public, I will state it myself