I'm fine with dropping the question of what I meant vs what I said but I want to know why you thought my being unsure of my own meta was a scum indicator. I don't get why that was a red flag for you.
Anyway Tom is ignoring my jumbled poke back as expected. Don't think his lack of hustle there means anything. Ditto for largely dropping the roleplay.
If I wanted to do that I wouldn't have pushed back on Shin's claim I had a town read on you. I don't. I just think I'll be able to read you. Also your take requires me to know your internal rules for this level of persona. Which unless I missed a post where you set some public ground rules is something I can't know. Judging based on the thread to when I made my claim you were pretty far in character and have come a bit out of it since that stage.
But you are correct that my stance is to sit back and watch you go to work for a bit rather than sorting you now.
@WillYeah no worries if English isn't your first language, your posts make plenty of sense.
Hmm.
I do think Will's response to my question reads very self-consciously, like he's just saying what he thinks he's supposed to say or something. No idea how much to read into that though especially given his opening was very self-effacing so maybe he's just a very self-aware person in general.
Mrgle.
It's really hard to read into that sort of self awareness for new players. Could be uncomfortableness with needing to lie and hide but just as easily it's the natural awkwardness of joining a new group in an activity you're unfamiliar with. I don't think I'll be able to solve him off tone.
@Will echo'ing that your english is more than passable. Don't stress about it. What would you say is the most important post so far in terms of alignment? I want you to try to press something you believe in.
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It's clearly a misread and I think he reacts to my wanting to normal vig him the same way as either alignment. But also after several hours of reflection Tom is clearly a better shot. Chris might get shot N1 without anything changing from this moment in time. Tom never does and desperadoing him creates a layup shot out of nowhere.
Anyway I agree with your not today grouping but don't really have reads on Tom or Chris. Just not going to push there without a strong reason.
I will say I very badly want to read into Chris downplaying his wolf game but I think it's ultimately NAI since he thought the question meant Grape wanted him dead either way.
The mod gives you a 1-shot Desperado that you must use immediately. If you hit a wolf you live, if you hit a villager you die. Who do you shoot and why?
I'd shoot Chris. Highest reward play since I don't have a strong scum read. If I were to shoot at someone pinging me it would be LnGrrrR but he's barely above random.
Any rotating over to Tom and Shadow yeah I did. Maybe I'm projecting but I'm just getting a real calm before the storm vibe and think you two aren't breaking the hush as it was.
@Shin in that Tom is telling us who he thinks is town. The language is technically obfuscating but the intent of his posts is clear as can be.
Everyone but Rhand and LnG feel really restrained to me. But not relaxed. It's like the tension waiting for an end of game inbounds play. Everyone is ready to pounce and there is a bit of hand fighting but no one is jumping on anything yet.
I think it makes me feel better about Rhand even though his vote was awful. Not sure on LnG yet. Chris is talking like he's broken the tension but he hasn't done anything yet.
@Rhand you're right I didn't use that specific language. Dunno why I thought I did. Anyway my point was the general point that I was speaking vaguely but did not mean to leave any doubt about my laziness being AI. Even if I did why would my being unsure of my meta be scum indicative?
@Shin I tried to end it because debating whether I believe Tom is easier to read when gimmicking isn't going to help me find scum. As for why I think he's easier it's because in his effort to communicate through his *whatever the gimmick is* he tends to be more open about his thought processes. Whereas normally he just brushes things off till he feels like explaining.
Ahhh that's right you were the crazy role that was town, thought you were turned into an SK and then went back to town. It's all coming back to me now.
Anyway if we're going by the Tom is always gimmicking standard (which is probably close to accurate) then I do think that the roleplay ones are easier to read than standard Tom but harder to read than forced into clarity Tom. Anyway this is not a particularly helpful discussion at this stage. Trying to split the differences between his different personas in a vacuum doesn't help solve him here.
Silver I probably am slightly more likely to read the whole in game thread as scum but less likely to read other threads. Different alignments for different types of laziness I guess.
And yeah it's been a stance of mine for a while that gimmicks by Tom where he isn't 100% unintelligible are easier to read than Tom playing it straight. This may prove to have been a bad theory in the future but as of now I stand by it.
Bouncing around a bit Will can be a town lean for now. No read on the shadow/Ruma interaction. I want to town read Silver but I can't actually remember the last time I was in a game with him so I don't have anything to work from.
@Silver did you get that eve was an unfortunate autocorrect from RVS? That "fix" slide right past me... Anyway I'm not sure my laziness should be seen as AI.
Shin insisting he ignores RVS jokes while engaging on my Cantrip RVS is a thing. Probably not a relevant one though.
I for one am happy tom is roleplaying. It makes him easier to read.
Anyway Tom is ignoring my jumbled poke back as expected. Don't think his lack of hustle there means anything. Ditto for largely dropping the roleplay.
But you are correct that my stance is to sit back and watch you go to work for a bit rather than sorting you now.
It's really hard to read into that sort of self awareness for new players. Could be uncomfortableness with needing to lie and hide but just as easily it's the natural awkwardness of joining a new group in an activity you're unfamiliar with. I don't think I'll be able to solve him off tone.
@Will echo'ing that your english is more than passable. Don't stress about it. What would you say is the most important post so far in terms of alignment? I want you to try to press something you believe in.
@Shadow what do you think of Silver? I'm trying to process his play right now and I've lost track of the ball a bit.
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It's clearly a misread and I think he reacts to my wanting to normal vig him the same way as either alignment. But also after several hours of reflection Tom is clearly a better shot. Chris might get shot N1 without anything changing from this moment in time. Tom never does and desperadoing him creates a layup shot out of nowhere.
Anyway I agree with your not today grouping but don't really have reads on Tom or Chris. Just not going to push there without a strong reason.
I'd shoot Chris. Highest reward play since I don't have a strong scum read. If I were to shoot at someone pinging me it would be LnGrrrR but he's barely above random.
Any rotating over to Tom and Shadow yeah I did. Maybe I'm projecting but I'm just getting a real calm before the storm vibe and think you two aren't breaking the hush as it was.
@Shin in that Tom is telling us who he thinks is town. The language is technically obfuscating but the intent of his posts is clear as can be.
I think it makes me feel better about Rhand even though his vote was awful. Not sure on LnG yet. Chris is talking like he's broken the tension but he hasn't done anything yet.
@Shin I tried to end it because debating whether I believe Tom is easier to read when gimmicking isn't going to help me find scum. As for why I think he's easier it's because in his effort to communicate through his *whatever the gimmick is* he tends to be more open about his thought processes. Whereas normally he just brushes things off till he feels like explaining.
Anyway if we're going by the Tom is always gimmicking standard (which is probably close to accurate) then I do think that the roleplay ones are easier to read than standard Tom but harder to read than forced into clarity Tom. Anyway this is not a particularly helpful discussion at this stage. Trying to split the differences between his different personas in a vacuum doesn't help solve him here.
And yeah it's been a stance of mine for a while that gimmicks by Tom where he isn't 100% unintelligible are easier to read than Tom playing it straight. This may prove to have been a bad theory in the future but as of now I stand by it.
Bouncing around a bit Will can be a town lean for now. No read on the shadow/Ruma interaction. I want to town read Silver but I can't actually remember the last time I was in a game with him so I don't have anything to work from.
Shin insisting he ignores RVS jokes while engaging on my Cantrip RVS is a thing. Probably not a relevant one though.
I for one am happy tom is roleplaying. It makes him easier to read.