MTG Salvation

I forgot to add that I'm frustrated by lack of useful stuff too. I'm stuck in a place where I just have a mass of town leans and a mushy mass of other players. And I'm just not making the time to figure it out. Trying to kick myself into gear but I just don't have it right now.

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I mean I am still pretty inconsistent???
I was never overly fluffy, or crazy with mechanics play?

but I love you too Grape
Just frustrated, we probably just need more deaths to analyze

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@Grape
What about the content of his posts? can you talk about them?

I pretty strongly disagree on you not ever being wild mechanically, but you've improved pretty drastically. But to be honest in my eyes you're still a bit wild (repeated calls that the second mason should claim for instance). Doesn't make you wrong, just makes me really conservative when it comes to roles.

As for Vaimes I can't point to anything particular in his content, but I haven't been overly pinged by anything he's done. I guess in that sense it's similar to his GoT play but being vaguely similar to a scum game by not pinging me isn't enough for me to want to target him first.

I'm really enjoying watching Wisp tunnel someone for playing like he used to (inconsistent, fluffy, and wild mechanics plays [<3 you Wisp]). It's petty but very cathartic.

Still definitely a part of me that think it makes him scum, but I've decided not to listen to that.

Anyway I think Vaimes is >rand to be town but not by much. I'm not married to the read but there is enough there (activity, tone, and lack of worrying ties) that he's not my top priority. I'm going to actually try to get some digging and actually figure out what I think rather than having a mass of town reads and shrugs.

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It really isn't. The person is not obligated to buy an item, and it doesn't disrupt them because I pick my target at Night, and (as far as I know) they have the whole Day phase to decide on an ability to exchange.

If you want the details of what my target knows about the transaction, whether or not they know I get the item, you should be asking vezok.

shadow/Proph gave vezok the blue orb. Unrelated.

Just making sure. Vez initially seemed to believe they were related so I just wanted to make sure they weren't. As for asking Vez good point.

@Vez can you clarify if you were aware the merchant would get the ability you gave up if you'd had one to give up?

Anyway my thought process is that if it isn't notified to the recipient it's clearly a scum role and Vaimes messed up claiming it.

@Tom I'm asking because I'm getting a "I've learned!" vibe from LW. His complete tunnel on Vaimes feels like him trying to apply the lessons from Modern here as scum. He seems almost completely unwilling to really push anything else and has that stuck vibe whenever he is pushed to take a stand on anything else. The role is probably town though. I we have to wait and see but that sort of role usually is town. The king maker is pretty neutral though.

@Tom how confident are you in LW being town here? I was very confident but a specific thing he's doing is eroding my confidence rapidly. Can you point me to some of the examples you're seeing of him not being frozen?

I think I construed these posts together. As in the first was saying it was silly and the second was what you would have done. Realizing that's not what you were getting at though. My bad.

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y'all rly elected vezok as king
that seems silly

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If I'm scum and I have a partner in Kitty/Axel, I almost push to take a shot. This obviously doesn't mean a whole lot but last night is +town equity to both.

No lynching was absolutely the right move; ramming through a Lynch in 2 days and like a fourth of the actual town to do it is dumb. I plan on getting some deep rereading done in the near future.

@Vaimes see this entire claim feels like a scum role to me. If I were town I'd be very curious as to what the other person knew about the offer and would have asked multiple questions about it. In my eyes it's a soft disruption role that can appear townie similar to something like my swab the deck ability from Pirates. If the person isn't notified that the merchant gets the role it looks even scummier to me. Also is your role completely unrelated to the Blue Orb Vez was talking about?

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If I'm scum and I have a partner in Kitty/Axel, I almost push to take a shot. This obviously doesn't mean a whole lot but last night is +town equity to both.

No lynching was absolutely the right move; ramming through a Lynch in 2 days and like a fourth of the actual town to do it is dumb. I plan on getting some deep rereading done in the near future.

Quoting myself here but this reminds me of nothing more than the naivete that let wildfire kill like 3 people in Disinheritance or the faked naivete that scum used to try and cover for him.

Also iirc you vigged a partner as scum in the team game so why would anyone give you the kingship here with the intention of reading you? Seems like a bad value.

@Tom can you explain your fulcrum read to me? Is it just the end of day?

@Vaimes is the recipient of your offer made aware that you gain the ability they give up?

I should have used the night to try and catch up but I didn't. Which I'm now regretting...

Ahhh well Elect: Vez

If I wasn't town reading tom over his EoD I'd think his recriminations over the NoL voters would be scum motivated (openly running the Ghostbusters strat back while bragging about it), but I actually think he's just as close to tilted as tom gets. It's more frustration at players he thinks should know better and can't sort perceived bad play from scummy play.

@Vez why was receiving an orb enough for a town read on shadow, jack, Proph? I get that you are walking that back but why is receiving an unknown item indicative at all?

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Here's a weird idea: how much do we want to hit town with the election vote? I think giving someone kind of towny, but not confirmed, the chance to confirm themselves by lynching scum, is useful.

Nacho, Tom, and Silver come to mind. Or me. Give it to me.

This reminds me of nothing more than the naivete that let wildfire kill like 3 people in Disinheritance or the faked naivete that scum used to try and cover for him.

Anyway despite that disaster we're still in a good position. I have a bunch of strong town reads still and I'm confident that with more effort (which I promise is coming) I'll be able to figure something out.

I would do Fulcrum but going to keep my vote on DK for now.

Fulcrum seemed legitimately confused by my handling of her which is townish I guess.

Morning...

I see the nonsense has continued.

The BG claim is probably legit but it's also pretty low value.

Tom is almost certainly town and I'm disappointed I didn't make his "read him in gimmick" list.

I'd kill nacho today for sure even though I can see town paranoia I can also see scum fps.

And no that's not a scum claim. Just that it's how I play.

Anyway I'm falling asleep and not going to ISO anyone tonight. So I'll leave the mysteries of what happened to DK scum reads and why it's now Axel to tomorrow.

Well that is awful quality but you get the idea.

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Basically tryna say ive played with grape a lot/know him pretty well and i think his style makes a certain type of player scumread him regardless of alignment because of a pretty pronounced indecisiveness but this isnt the kind where he doesnt know things and is paralyzed by that indecision this is the kind where he does know and must push ***** anyway

Maybe tom is town.

He's wrong but for absolutely the right reasons. Pretty sure he just articulated my entire game but than I can.

Anyway yeah that post was a steaming pile. It's what I get for trying to be insightful when I've only read 10% of the game. I get very suggestible and spew bs.

I'm going to try to ISO axel again real quick but I don't remember much sticking out last time.

Why Axel? Why is Lasts opinion so important? Why are you off DK now Gemma?

Ughhh.... This is what I get for checking out for a day.