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Haven't done the things I needed to do or read Vezok. Will try to tonight but no promises. I've got a thing tonight and I have no idea how long it will last.
won't be playing for a while if that makes anyone feel better
This doesn't. You're talented and you're good at this game. And yes you and I have had some really serious clashes over the past few games but I don't want you to just stop playing here. Just take a look at your actions and see if they're really how you want to present yourself.
Grape
Tbh, I like the very few posts ur slot has made... thats all it is, no reason to think your scum, or even focus you....
still dont get how my initial posts were scared...
and you know what, I did think about how town!wuffles, would interact with tom, and I also tried to compare Vez's tunneling and meta this game to his meta, in arkham, but tbh, its just wine, since i dont know how Wuffles plays scum, or how Vez plays scum... and being wrong 3 times doesnt mean you cant be right now.
i guess ill throw out a read list, not something I do often
ok with lynching:
Tom, Kami
Scummy imo but can resolve later:
Vez
Wuffles
Town:
Grape
Killjoy
Why are you so low in KamiKazin but so high on me? That's what I don't grt about you. You say I haven't done anything and have no reason to focus me but are perfectly happy to lynch them when you don't have anything on them. What's the difference?
Ohhh wait I had the VC wrong in my head. I thought Wisp made it a 3 vote tie between wuffles and KK not a 3 way 2 vote tie between wuffles, kk, and tom.
Going to reread Vezok in a bit. Have to go for now.
Anyway I don't live either wagon. Wuffles' push on tom is bad but the mindset behind getting upset at tom for not caring about wins and losses is really townie.
And KK is just completely absent. I can't associate a single idea with either head at this point.
So I feel like tom has one tell. And it's absence isn't something you can scum read him for but I've never seen him successfully fake it as scum (which of course he'll try to rectify at some point but he hasn't yet). It's a genuine excitement and clarity that shines through when he thinks he's cracking the game wide open. The most notorious example is him breaking gimmick in the game where he posted almost exlusively in flavor text. While I was scum I think it also showed early in Pirates mafia when he broke gimmick there too.
The closest I've seen him come to faking it is the off the grid game we were buddies together in. He bussed me early and won a final 3 posting some really clear game solving (and feeding on an otherwise impressive new to here players paranoia) but it lacked the enthusiasm part of it.
All of that preamble is to say I think we're seeing legit glimpses of it here. His worlds post and follow up with KJ just reads with excitment. As does his "surprise" at town reading KJ. I don't want to lock it in because he's not as clear as he was in my other examples but I do think the attitude is right in a way he struggles to fake. And it goes back to his not caring about wins or loses normally, it really shows when he gets caught up in the excitment of solving which manifests differently than his excitment at fooling people.
Town read on wuffles might be reachy but I'm really into it. I have this feeling that town!Wuffles is much more likely to get into it with tom over toms inscrutable style being anti town than scum wuffles. His posts about that read as righteous indignation that tom was making his life harder by not trying to be townie or caring about winning. It's the sort of thing I can see a competitive person getting on a high horse about. I don't think wuffles is making any compelling points about tom being scummy here but I think that playing against win condition outrage comes from town.
KJ is town because he's doing a bunch of the things he's been talking about trying to do to improve his town game. His unaligned pairs and asking Wisp for scum games reads like the guy who was frustrated about getting mislynched in the Arkham and Friends/Enemies dead chats.
And wisp despite looking scared as from that early wagon has settled down nicely. Apart from pushing wuffles there is a complete lack of agenda (other than being overly deferential to my slot which could be a pocket attempt but just doesn't feel like one).
Vezok feels wrong to me here. But I've incorrectly scum read him in lie 3 straight games now so I want to take it slowly.
Okay through page 4 and still reading but I have town reads on Wisp, KJ, and Wuffles.
Light scum read on Vezo.
Tom isn't a neutral read just more that I'm not sure what to make of his Wuffles 40% LW 30% completely wrong 25% worlds. I think he should be readable off that but I haven't dove into him closely yet.
Yhis game was so much fun! Thanks to everyone. First tom you're the dude and running a smooth game while bring lead towards and agonizingly slow lynch in another sounds horrible. Props for keeping this tunning so smoothly.
@Vezok and Dota I'm sorry I groused so much about getting lynched in the spec chat... You guys actually did a good job and the fact that you were able to reset your gamestate after that is a testament to your play.
@Sentenza I can understand wanting to go run and hide after that experience but you were awesome and whenever you want to play here again I look forward to it. Your style was a breath of fresh air and thanks fot signing up!
@Mafia team you guys all had me fooled at various points. Iso your confidence and bluster screamed town!Iso to me. As did your refusing to share reads. It was a super cool play and I'm impressed it worked as well as it did for you. Mikey and DBS let's just say I'm glad people eventually ignored my loud calls to clear you... I wasn't even close till it was too late and not even then.
@Dan I wad really looking forward to seeing you in action and I hope to see you soon. And not ser you die early.
@Rod and Tubba you guys smashed the lylo's. Rod there was so much cheering for you to make it back in time in the discord. And your race against DBS was secretly thrilling. Tubba your efforts to not get lynched were insane. You managed to bleed townie in a way that I fully expext to lose to if you ever roll scum again.
@Vaimes I tried to keep up with your post count but just didn't have it in me. You are great and were an absolute pleasure to roll town with. Our chat D3 as I was getting lynched was a highlight for me.
Proph you're one of my favorite mafia players and I'll miss playing with you. Enjoy your retirement and a year or so from now when you finish your internship and the itch is back maybe we'll finally have a non hydra town game together after so long.
Wuffles and Atog you guys are awesome. Thanks! Though my dying on the last night while completely accidental death made the last day a lot cleaner.
@DBS Everyone has cases get ignored. Silver's really smart heist wolf PoE got ignored to some extent, my less smart SK!Cyan case was largely ignored, and Cyan's Dota is scum case got ignored. It's just from there a matter of how you pursue them. Cyan is a hit of a bulldog in general but in this game he got to unilaterally act on his case. Silver posted eloquent wall after eloquent wall trying to convince people. I mostly flailed around and was rightfully ignored.
If you have the self awareness to realize you're different (which is great, I wish I'd understood myself better 10 years ago) then maybe take the next step and realize we can't intuitively make the connections you do and try to explain them in ways idiots like me will understand. It took me so long to even understand your give the puzzlebox to a suspect theory. I never agreed with it but I eventually saw where it was coming from. Without that understanding I was always either going to ignore it or push you as scum for it.
This doesn't. You're talented and you're good at this game. And yes you and I have had some really serious clashes over the past few games but I don't want you to just stop playing here. Just take a look at your actions and see if they're really how you want to present yourself.
Why are you so low in KamiKazin but so high on me? That's what I don't grt about you. You say I haven't done anything and have no reason to focus me but are perfectly happy to lynch them when you don't have anything on them. What's the difference?
Going to reread Vezok in a bit. Have to go for now.
And KK is just completely absent. I can't associate a single idea with either head at this point.
The closest I've seen him come to faking it is the off the grid game we were buddies together in. He bussed me early and won a final 3 posting some really clear game solving (and feeding on an otherwise impressive new to here players paranoia) but it lacked the enthusiasm part of it.
All of that preamble is to say I think we're seeing legit glimpses of it here. His worlds post and follow up with KJ just reads with excitment. As does his "surprise" at town reading KJ. I don't want to lock it in because he's not as clear as he was in my other examples but I do think the attitude is right in a way he struggles to fake. And it goes back to his not caring about wins or loses normally, it really shows when he gets caught up in the excitment of solving which manifests differently than his excitment at fooling people.
Town read on wuffles might be reachy but I'm really into it. I have this feeling that town!Wuffles is much more likely to get into it with tom over toms inscrutable style being anti town than scum wuffles. His posts about that read as righteous indignation that tom was making his life harder by not trying to be townie or caring about winning. It's the sort of thing I can see a competitive person getting on a high horse about. I don't think wuffles is making any compelling points about tom being scummy here but I think that playing against win condition outrage comes from town.
KJ is town because he's doing a bunch of the things he's been talking about trying to do to improve his town game. His unaligned pairs and asking Wisp for scum games reads like the guy who was frustrated about getting mislynched in the Arkham and Friends/Enemies dead chats.
And wisp despite looking scared as from that early wagon has settled down nicely. Apart from pushing wuffles there is a complete lack of agenda (other than being overly deferential to my slot which could be a pocket attempt but just doesn't feel like one).
Vezok feels wrong to me here. But I've incorrectly scum read him in lie 3 straight games now so I want to take it slowly.
Light scum read on Vezo.
Tom isn't a neutral read just more that I'm not sure what to make of his Wuffles 40% LW 30% completely wrong 25% worlds. I think he should be readable off that but I haven't dove into him closely yet.
KK had made 0 impression.
@Vezok and Dota I'm sorry I groused so much about getting lynched in the spec chat... You guys actually did a good job and the fact that you were able to reset your gamestate after that is a testament to your play.
@Sentenza I can understand wanting to go run and hide after that experience but you were awesome and whenever you want to play here again I look forward to it. Your style was a breath of fresh air and thanks fot signing up!
@Mafia team you guys all had me fooled at various points. Iso your confidence and bluster screamed town!Iso to me. As did your refusing to share reads. It was a super cool play and I'm impressed it worked as well as it did for you. Mikey and DBS let's just say I'm glad people eventually ignored my loud calls to clear you... I wasn't even close till it was too late and not even then.
@Dan I wad really looking forward to seeing you in action and I hope to see you soon. And not ser you die early.
@Rod and Tubba you guys smashed the lylo's. Rod there was so much cheering for you to make it back in time in the discord. And your race against DBS was secretly thrilling. Tubba your efforts to not get lynched were insane. You managed to bleed townie in a way that I fully expext to lose to if you ever roll scum again.
@Vaimes I tried to keep up with your post count but just didn't have it in me. You are great and were an absolute pleasure to roll town with. Our chat D3 as I was getting lynched was a highlight for me.
And I'm ashamed it took me 13 hours to get into it.
@DBS Everyone has cases get ignored. Silver's really smart heist wolf PoE got ignored to some extent, my less smart SK!Cyan case was largely ignored, and Cyan's Dota is scum case got ignored. It's just from there a matter of how you pursue them. Cyan is a hit of a bulldog in general but in this game he got to unilaterally act on his case. Silver posted eloquent wall after eloquent wall trying to convince people. I mostly flailed around and was rightfully ignored.
If you have the self awareness to realize you're different (which is great, I wish I'd understood myself better 10 years ago) then maybe take the next step and realize we can't intuitively make the connections you do and try to explain them in ways idiots like me will understand. It took me so long to even understand your give the puzzlebox to a suspect theory. I never agreed with it but I eventually saw where it was coming from. Without that understanding I was always either going to ignore it or push you as scum for it.