MTG Salvation

Going to drop to /spectate

That's fair I'd just expect scum!tom to try and end the game a beat earlier than expected. Feels more like his MO. You're right about him loving to use that sort of defense though.

Vote: tom

I don't think scum!tom uses his vig that way but he fits on so many teams.

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@Grape: I'm just below neutral on you right now, and other people are slipping lower in my reads for tinfoils and other reasons. Assume Chris is town. I'm going off of several posts that I don't think he makes as scum. That aren't worth it as scum.

What are your thoughts on Tom+Cantrip (Together because two KP are unlikely to both be town in this setup), KCC, others?

Assuming Chris is town, I'm town, you're town...

Who is your three-man team?

If chris is town (which I don't think he is) that doesn't change any of my firm town reads.

Tom probably gets downgraded as his toDay looks worse if Chris is town.

Best guess would be Tom[or meg but tom more likely, don't think they are aligned]/Axel/and then being wrong on someone from Vez, Vaimes, or Cantrip.

I'm not the one who voted for an extension talking about KJ and then acted like it was about me. But more importantly when I asked you what your read on me was it was entirely based on interactions with Az that everyone else was talking about. The other reasons mentioned were all things that could make me be scum (interactions with Rhand). So yes you had a progression but it was purely just following conventional wisdom like I said.

An obviously you had to change after D1 when your buddy got killed and you became a viable option. It's a bit of a different situation.

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Coroner is confirmable, no?

The roles are shown publicly. Yes.

I implore you all to go read Chris' ISO. He is blatantly scum here. He is hiding his lack of progressions behind bluster.

Look at his progression toDay. Starts off on me over not much, claims to reevaluate me over nothing when the thread moves that way, jumps on to KJ and stays put till the winds turn back against me and starts pushing me again as if he'd never stopped scum reading me. He is just going with the flow and avoiding rustling feathers over actual content while strutting around confidently.

@Axel it's shown part of the day scene. I believe it includes any deaths overnight. Confirming that now.

On unvoting Meg I don't really get your point. It was about the lack of anyone counterclaiming a protective of any sort or expressing any skepticism. I know that would have been bad play but that hasn't stopped anyone recently.

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I'm gone for the next 3 hours but will be back after that. So more wolfy pop ins for you all to confirmation bias off.

Why did you target beeboy?

How did you feel after Megiddo claimed he was delayed?

I targeted Beeboy because I thought he was about random to be scum but a decent choice to perform a kill as an under the radar player. I think him claiming that he was delayed is NAI. Too risky not to claim truthfully this early if scum.

KJ, Cantrip, and KCC all feel townie to me.

Chris is scum.

Wisp, tom, and Shadow are the three players I'm having the hardest time pegging. Wisp is there on tone and energy level but he's lacking the tunnel vision he normally has. Tom is tom. But he was really scummy D1 but he's been solid toDay. And scum!tom probably doesn't shoot that early. Shadow on the other hand just feels all kind of wrong but his votes yesterday are so pure.

Vez and Vaimes are meh townish.

Axel, Osie, and Meg are meh scum-ish.

I'm gone for the next 3 hours but will be back after that. So more wolfy pop ins for you all to confirmation bias off.

I'm gifts storm. Delayer (targeted Beeboy last night) and coroner. The delay ability is remand and it's like a roleblock except the ability works the next night. The coroner is past in flames. Twice per game I can use it to reveal all the dead roles in full.

My role is pretty weak so not worth a CFD over it.

Cantrip please vig Chris tonight.

Okay so quick takes from the past few pages.

KJ, Wisp, and Osie look good for not just accepting the status quo. KJ in particular I think it's a good look for as wolf!KJ has a lot to gain from my flip.

Meg and Vez are the worst votes on my wagon. Both are blatantly sheeping. Not voting either today because of claims but worth keeping an eye on.

Chris still feels like a wolf to me. Voting KJ here is just awful in general. Axel voting with him is even more head scratching. 2215 is just not a reason to vote someone. First off there are numerous reasons to think KJ is town (I've said enough about them) but more importantly a lack of reasons to town read someone isn't the same as a scum read. I'm someone who likes to play by PoE and building town blocks, but that still doesn't mean once I'm outside of my PoE I look for the person with the least town points and vote them. That's when you look for scum motivation and buddy interactions. You look for reasons to be town when building the town circle. Back to chris for a second. 2096 is one of those out of line priorities posts. Based on his convictions there he should 100% be voting me. And given the state of the game at the time there was no reason not to. But he doesn't.

Unvote: Wisp
Vote: Chris

Yeah... So much for having free time this weekend...

Okay nothing happening tonight (I fell asleep at my computer and it's only 7).

I'll be free all day tomorrow though.

I've had massive mafia burnout since my champs game ended (who thought 48 hour phases were a good idea?). Wagon on me seems full of activity related shrugs which is fair but an easy way for scum to hide.

Skimming the like 6 pages I hadn't read (Hi Osie!) Vaimes and meg had standout bad votes. I remember thinking Vaimes was town so I'm probably omgusing there but Megs can still be scum.

Intending to but not promising multiple hours of catch up tonight and over the weekend.