I usually start with 2x leyline mb. I mull aggressively to find it, yeah. Yes, everyone in my club have enchantment hate for me now... Thats ok, I counter that ***** all night.
Tbh, leyline is amazing against red decks, and really nice against discard, but drawing it suxx. Drawing multiples suxx. Its a meta-call.
I often cut push completely, bcause of how prevalent burn is in my meta. My 75 usually include: 4x leyline, 3 snare, 2/3 BA, 2X BSA, 4x path 4x verdict/wrath, 3x knot 2x negate.
@espershardmage: in my experience, we easily run over uw-control. Our CA is just that much better, and we have a better selection of cards.
@rafiqedh: I'm sorry thats how I came across, dude. You'd be amazed how many new players question TT, so I've just started referring people to the primer instead.
@rafiqedh: Hey, and welcome to the thread! Please note that this is the "developing competetive" part of the forum, and this thread is dedicated to the deck "esper draw-go". Even though your deck runs most of our core, it doesnt really play like our deck. While we don't mind theorycrafting, or discussing sacred cows, we really like it when new people read up on the thread. (Also, decks that are only "sort-of" esper draw-go, like "red esper" or epser teachings etc, arent really that interesting to read about for those of us playing the stock list) We usually find ourselves defending our core every few pages, from new players inexperienced in piloting our deck. There is also a primer, thats mostly still relevant. You will find that your card-choices have been discussed (to death) in this thread, so there is certainly a lot of relevant info for you here!
I would like to gently protest against this; it's not like the stock list has been putting up great results, or indeed any results at all AFAIK (maybe a few 5-0s from Donny in comp leagues?) and it's also not like Modern is an unchanging format. It's changed massively since the Primer and indeed since most of the discussions in this thread, due to bannings, unbannings, and new printings. Even assuming a very conservative stock list, surely it can't be right to play the high numbers of Spell Snare that old lists often did (esp after the printing of Fatal Push). Secure the Wastes is probably better than WSZ. etc
Not sure what you're protesting here, mate? My whole post? Pointing out that its a draw-go thread, not tapout/midrange etc? My claim that the primer is mostly relevant?
I would say that it is: Even though the list has changed a bit, and the meta a lot, the reasoning behind card choices are still "mostly relevant". The core hasnt really changed at all, since I started playing esper draw-go a couple of years ago. We have what, 6 flex slots? Note that I havent said anyone should play stock lists from the primer, just that its a good place to start reading up on our deck. Reading the whole thread would give any newbie a lot of insight into why most of us play really similar lists.
Maybe my original post was unclear: I tried to be welcoming, and at the same time point out that this thread is for a specific type of competetive deck. Its interesting to read other peoples experiments with alternative builds, but thats not really why this thread exists, or why we're here. Also, that we're up for discussing anything, but new people should read up on _why_ we're playing the cards we do. The info is there.
If my post was unclear, or seemed unfriendly, I apologize: english isnt my native language.
(Also, I disagree that STW is better than WSZ, I've run both, switched back to wsz. A lot of us play wsz. Its mostly down to meta and personal preference, though. Please lets not have this debate again. Or actually, if anyone has some brilliant new insight, please bring it on! But lets not rehash the same old points of early pressure vs protection from decking ourself)
Last of all: Have a brilliant day, people! Its summer, enjoy it! Currently 10*C here, so we're rocking shorts and eating icecream while enjoying the sun.
@rafiqedh: Hey, and welcome to the thread! Please note that this is the "developing competetive" part of the forum, and this thread is dedicated to the deck "esper draw-go". Even though your deck runs most of our core, it doesnt really play like our deck. While we don't mind theorycrafting, or discussing sacred cows, we really like it when new people read up on the thread. (Also, decks that are only "sort-of" esper draw-go, like "red esper" or epser teachings etc, arent really that interesting to read about for those of us playing the stock list) We usually find ourselves defending our core every few pages, from new players inexperienced in piloting our deck. There is also a primer, thats mostly still relevant. You will find that your card-choices have been discussed (to death) in this thread, so there is certainly a lot of relevant info for you here!
Btw. I don't run Push any more. This allows me to run 2 GQ, blowing up problem lands... But my meta is small and inbred, with 3-4 burn decks every event, so I also run 4 leylines in my 75. No dredge eighter. :-D
3 extractions w 2 snaps performs reasonably well, but tbh I'm considering switching to cliques/spellbomb. Also keeps missing my 3. snap, wven thoughI only played 3 for a couple of weeks. I think the perfect number of snaps is 2.5.
Tbh, leyline is amazing against red decks, and really nice against discard, but drawing it suxx. Drawing multiples suxx. Its a meta-call.
@rafiqedh: I'm sorry thats how I came across, dude. You'd be amazed how many new players question TT, so I've just started referring people to the primer instead.
Not sure what you're protesting here, mate? My whole post? Pointing out that its a draw-go thread, not tapout/midrange etc? My claim that the primer is mostly relevant?
I would say that it is: Even though the list has changed a bit, and the meta a lot, the reasoning behind card choices are still "mostly relevant". The core hasnt really changed at all, since I started playing esper draw-go a couple of years ago. We have what, 6 flex slots? Note that I havent said anyone should play stock lists from the primer, just that its a good place to start reading up on our deck. Reading the whole thread would give any newbie a lot of insight into why most of us play really similar lists.
Maybe my original post was unclear: I tried to be welcoming, and at the same time point out that this thread is for a specific type of competetive deck. Its interesting to read other peoples experiments with alternative builds, but thats not really why this thread exists, or why we're here. Also, that we're up for discussing anything, but new people should read up on _why_ we're playing the cards we do. The info is there.
If my post was unclear, or seemed unfriendly, I apologize: english isnt my native language.
(Also, I disagree that STW is better than WSZ, I've run both, switched back to wsz. A lot of us play wsz. Its mostly down to meta and personal preference, though. Please lets not have this debate again.
Last of all: Have a brilliant day, people! Its summer, enjoy it! Currently 10*C here, so we're rocking shorts and eating icecream while enjoying the sun.
What do you guys think? It might have a place in our deck.