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  • posted a message on The Rock
    vraska is not good. What archetypes do you want her against? How is she helping bad matches? Her card draw is at a serious early game disadvantage. You don't have expendable permanents. Yes against grindy she can be good late game but still, it still takes a stalled board for her to really shine. If she's just a t4 abrupt decay you can do so much better. Her ultimate isn't even a guaranteed win either.

    The best way to sum up vraska is she doesn't even see play in standard...
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Doran Formation
    he sure can, I'm pretty sure there's another thread out there with zur and doran. I like those lists. I may revist now that we have cards like deputy and dive down. lot of strong things goin on with esper colors.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Doran Formation
    What does your meta look like? I can totally get onboard with evolution, I used to play that card a while back and always loved it although in a very different deck. The problem I have with it in this deck is you are saccing very important creatures in order to not necessarily win. Saccing a bird is totally legit but I have found a lot that this deck runs out of threats fast and having to kill your own guys in order to get another seems suboptimal at best. My meta is pretty hostile to Doran at the moment, lots of GBx and combo. I'm curious as to what yours is that you can afford to do this. I have struggled so heavily in a removal heavy meta. Or I just lose to the combo decks before I can even apply proper pressure outside the nut draws. The biggest issue with Doran is it's essentially a fair combo deck on it's own with very little interaction.

    "I'll also go from a Harbinger to a dork to get my colors for my next turn, and the reverse to fix my lands for future turns. Even a Harbinger to a Harbinger to fetch another land or get a backup Doran as my next draw if I think removal for one on the battlefield is coming. It is a really versatile spell." what decks are you facing where this is a real line you can afford to take? How are you just not dead if you are using evolutions to get a mana dork or harbinger?

    The red splash is interesting tho. How has rhythm been? It doesn't seems very strong in this archetype. Seems like a solid SB card tho.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Doran Formation
    one card i totally forgot about is dive down card is bonkers for our game plan. I'm not sure how I can fit it in but in my version with so many guys that exile cards it seems like a must have. It will be in my 75 100%. I think I may cut the 2 spell quellers and add in 2 divedown. I can see massive insane blowouts too when they try to kill your guy during attacks or what not. There's just so much protection with that and spellskites. Here's the list I'll be testing in the meantime

    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Doran Formation
    couple of different lists I'm interested in testing:





    Both are obviously very similar but both have a different hot take. The first is much more controlly and punishing but at the same time has a lot of dead duplicate cards. the second is more standard beatdown but has less interaction. I'm leaning towards the first build as it's like halfway between spirits and humans and can randomly just hose decks with bridge and unblockable fatties. I'm sure the numbers need tweaking and I haven't actually tried deputy out but he seems crazy good in this list. Especially since there are so many kill on sight creatures. That's also another weakness. 1 damnation and it's a blowout of the century. I plan to jam some games soon.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on New Aristocrats (Orzhov, Abzan, Mardu variants)
    I love priest, the design, the ability everything but this is infinitely worse than path if your goal is to kill big creatures. It's not even guaranteed you will kill what you want assuming you have jumped through all the hoops to even activate the ability. As a unique effect for the deck I could see it as a 1 of maybe but NEVER over real removal.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    Forgot an update last week but I went a sad 2-3 losing to dredge, merfolk and storm. I think I made some suboptimal choices vs the combo decks and certainly misplayed vs merfolk which punished me huge. Dredge is really scary with creeping chill. That card is so dumb. This FNM went much better and had a large 42 player turn out, I blame it on me forgetting my playmat last friday haha.



    r1 mono W eldrazi taxes
    These games weren't close at all. We have a little back and forth but my guys outclass his by a mile even though he has eldrazi. I just have so much more removal that answers everything.
    1-0 (2-0)
    r2 grixis DS
    g1 he makes a strange block when he throws his 5/5 DS into my smasher at 8 life. I was fine with that obviously. I'm at 14. he then plays 2 gurmags. I play tracker draw some cards, find the removal I need and swing in for lethal. G2 he floods a bit holding up totally irrelevant counterspells like disdainful stroke and stubby D and I roll over him with goyfs and scooze.
    2-0 (4-0)
    r3 burn
    g1 I get run over by cheap guys and forget to t1 fatal push thinking I could just do it t2 and still be fine. Not doing so put me far behind and eventually even farther when he boros charms to save his eidolon and then I'm in a really bad spot with a hand FULL of 1-3 drops. g2 was similar I eventually get locked under eidolon at 2 life and a smasher on the table but I didn't see kalitas, or obstinate or another smasher and obviously he found a spell after a couple turns.
    2-1 (4-2)
    r4 GB
    g1 I just have the right removal and strip him of all his lilianas. g2 we had a long wonderful game of magic. It was probably the best game i've played in a long while. So much back and forth and at one point we had dueling scoozes, then stare downs, then advantages swapped back and forth, but tracker won me this game hands down with smashers. Tracker drew me like 10 cards literally. I eventually overwhelm him and he can't answer smasher with a couple goyfs. Such a good game.
    3-1 (6-2)
    r5 grixis as foretold
    g1 he floods a lot after keeping a 5 land hand. g2 I just have a ton of answers and all he's doing is thoughtseizing me over and over to very little effect honestly. He gets to a point he's at like 12 life and just a couple of big guys after some discard and he's got nothing to stop them. I thought he was just on grixis control I never saw the as foretolds.
    4-1 (8-2)

    top 8: GB infect
    I was really excited to play this match. g1 I get super lucky ripping assassin's trophy into fatal push back to back to stop his 2 inkmoth nexi. The trophy was huge as he went to become immense it for lethal. the next one was as I was at 6 poison but having the answer let my goyf and TKS easily cruise in for the win. g2 I just have more removal and liliana last hope killed or found me the guys I needed. I had a good hand and things lined up well. The match felt easy but I know it's not, if i miss on removal i know I can just immediately lose. Glad I didn't I guess Smile
    5-1 (10-2)

    summary:
    I never played a g3 all night which was very strange but I'm not going to complain. The deck felt great as always and certainly performed. I'm still debating some SB changes as I'm hoping to attend SCG Worcester next Saturday but I'm not sure I will be able to. I'm think I'm going to experience less midrange than in my meta. Basically more amulet/titan/spirits. I'm not sure there's much I can do to stop those matches honestly. I don't have a lot of experience vs those 3 decks but they all feel like really bad matchups when I have played them. Going to have to figure something out. GB has been doing well in my meta overall in a few different varieties of straight GB (normal, rockdrazi and infect) this week had those 3 decks in top 8. last week had 2 straight versions in top 8. There's a guy who top 8's with it almost every week. Almost everyone has been converted off jund for one reason or another.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on The Rock
    Forgot an update last week but I went a sad 2-3 losing to dredge, merfolk and storm. I think I made some suboptimal choices vs the combo decks and certainly misplayed vs merfolk which punished me huge. Dredge is really scary with creeping chill. That card is so dumb. This FNM went much better and had a large 42 player turn out, I blame it on me forgetting my playmat last friday haha.



    r1 mono W eldrazi taxes
    These games weren't close at all. We have a little back and forth but my guys outclass his by a mile even though he has eldrazi. I just have so much more removal that answers everything.
    1-0 (2-0)
    r2 grixis DS
    g1 he makes a strange block when he throws his 5/5 DS into my smasher at 8 life. I was fine with that obviously. I'm at 14. he then plays 2 gurmags. I play tracker draw some cards, find the removal I need and swing in for lethal. G2 he floods a bit holding up totally irrelevant counterspells like disdainful stroke and stubby D and I roll over him with goyfs and scooze.
    2-0 (4-0)
    r3 burn
    g1 I get run over by cheap guys and forget to t1 fatal push thinking I could just do it t2 and still be fine. Not doing so put me far behind and eventually even farther when he boros charms to save his eidolon and then I'm in a really bad spot with a hand FULL of 1-3 drops. g2 was similar I eventually get locked under eidolon at 2 life and a smasher on the table but I didn't see kalitas, or obstinate or another smasher and obviously he found a spell after a couple turns.
    2-1 (4-2)
    r4 GB
    g1 I just have the right removal and strip him of all his lilianas. g2 we had a long wonderful game of magic. It was probably the best game i've played in a long while. So much back and forth and at one point we had dueling scoozes, then stare downs, then advantages swapped back and forth, but tracker won me this game hands down with smashers. Tracker drew me like 10 cards literally. I eventually overwhelm him and he can't answer smasher with a couple goyfs. Such a good game.
    3-1 (6-2)
    r5 grixis as foretold
    g1 he floods a lot after keeping a 5 land hand. g2 I just have a ton of answers and all he's doing is thoughtseizing me over and over to very little effect honestly. He gets to a point he's at like 12 life and just a couple of big guys after some discard and he's got nothing to stop them. I thought he was just on grixis control I never saw the as foretolds.
    4-1 (8-2)

    top 8: GB infect
    I was really excited to play this match. g1 I get super lucky ripping assassin's trophy into fatal push back to back to stop his 2 inkmoth nexi. The trophy was huge as he went to become immense it for lethal. the next one was as I was at 6 poison but having the answer let my goyf and TKS easily cruise in for the win. g2 I just have more removal and liliana last hope killed or found me the guys I needed. I had a good hand and things lined up well. The match felt easy but I know it's not, if i miss on removal i know I can just immediately lose. Glad I didn't I guess Smile
    5-1 (10-2)

    summary:
    I never played a g3 all night which was very strange but I'm not going to complain. The deck felt great as always and certainly performed. I'm still debating some SB changes as I'm hoping to attend SCG Worcester next Saturday but I'm not sure I will be able to. I'm think I'm going to experience less midrange than in my meta. Basically more amulet/titan/spirits. I'm not sure there's much I can do to stop those matches honestly. I don't have a lot of experience vs those 3 decks but they all feel like really bad matchups when I have played them. Going to have to figure something out. GB has been doing well in my meta overall in a few different varieties of straight GB (normal, rockdrazi and infect) this week had those 3 decks in top 8. last week had 2 straight versions in top 8. There's a guy who top 8's with it almost every week. Almost everyone has been converted off jund for one reason or another.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Doran Formation
    4 colors isn't too much especially with blood moon being on the low recently. However, both the enchantments do nothing on their own which is the problem. Doran is a huge threat on his own that enables your deck and can be fetched via multiple ways. it's very hard to cut him. An Arcades build may be a better way to go with this card. However, I could see having 2 of these as effects 9-10. it being at 3 mana is kind of rough. Blue does off an insane amount of ridiculously high toughness creatures for cheap. I've been looking into blue for a while now especially with the advent of the D sphere deputy.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    Went 3-1 at FNM with rockdrazi and came in 9th Frown No deck list changes. Played vs Rich Shay so that's always exciting. Also played a couple non tier decks although one was actually pretty scary.

    r1 counters company
    g1 stuck on 2 lands and die. g2 had a good start but he got out 2 trackers and a knight of the reliquary and I was on damnation or bust. didn't happen. I play against this player a lot and last week gave him some tips as my meta has a LOT of GBx. That definitely came back to bite me haha.
    0-1

    g2 storm
    This was the Rich Shay Match. We go to 3 games and have a ver nerve wracking g3 with me at 3 life through a bunch of gobos. I had to dodge bolt for a few turns and managed to do so. I made some poor decisions and should have wiped the gobos immediately and that put me in a really bad spot. now I know.
    1-1

    g3 seismic assault/loam
    THis was actually a very cool deck that's pretty scary. The loam engine with assault is gross. we went to 3 games but I managed to get there g3 with huge beats. Goyf gets huge in this match and the explosiveness of smasher is hard to deal with. Scooze was MVP though. I underestimated countryside crusher and he WRECKED me g2.
    2-1

    g4 mono black devotion
    g1 I jusr roll over him pretty easily. g2 he plays an early obliterator and I have no way to answer it. g3 he bring in an absurd amount of SB cards and they were pretty bad. He gets stuck on 3 mana and I was able to kill him pretty easy as 1 card a turn from his side with no way to pump his dread shades or play obliterators worked out for me.
    3-1
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on The Rock
    Went 3-1 at FNM with rockdrazi and came in 9th Frown No deck list changes. I'll put it in spoiler tag so those who aren't interested can skip. Played vs Rich Shay so that's always exciting. Also played a couple non tier decks although one was actually pretty scary.


    r1 counters company
    g1 stuck on 2 lands and die. g2 had a good start but he got out 2 trackers and a knight of the reliquary and I was on damnation or bust. didn't happen. I play against this player a lot and last week gave him some tips as my meta has a LOT of GBx. That definitely came back to bite me haha.
    0-1

    g2 storm
    This was the Rich Shay Match. We go to 3 games and have a ver nerve wracking g3 with me at 3 life through a bunch of gobos. I had to dodge bolt for a few turns and managed to do so. I made some poor decisions and should have wiped the gobos immediately and that put me in a really bad spot. now I know.
    1-1

    g3 seismic assault/loam
    THis was actually a very cool deck that's pretty scary. The loam engine with assault is gross. we went to 3 games but I managed to get there g3 with huge beats. Goyf gets huge in this match and the explosiveness of smasher is hard to deal with. Scooze was MVP though. I underestimated countryside crusher and he WRECKED me g2.
    2-1

    g4 mono black devotion
    g1 I jusr roll over him pretty easily. g2 he plays an early obliterator and I have no way to answer it. g3 he bring in an absurd amount of SB cards and they were pretty bad. He gets stuck on 3 mana and I was able to kill him pretty easy as 1 card a turn from his side with no way to pump his dread shades or play obliterators worked out for me.
    3-1
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on The Rock
    @NosferatuRed I sent you an extensive message to that but I'll TL;DR it here:

    It is at it's heart a GB deck. There's not a ton of difference except My top end is bigger and it's a little slower on average. It still suffers from many of the problems GB normally has except reality smasher is so unbelievably amazing and gets you out of certain and sometimes numerous situations other things wouldn't. I trade out fast discard for a slower discard on a stick for instance. The mana base is worse comparatively, but 3 FoR main certainly help more than in normal GB. I lose out on some manlands though which this version needs more of but just can't fit. So therefore, the deck is much softer to land destruction than GB. This version has better matchups vs some decks (control and tron) but also worse matchups elsewhere (fast aggro and jund). This deck is also slightly less of a dog to the wrong half problem. Rarely are my cards just dead draws late and teh threats are generally huge and hard to answer. That can also be a negative when you draw all the top end and stuck on 3 lands. Assassin's trophy has both simultaneously made this deck much better and worse depending on the meta.

    I am unable to attend most big events, although I have made a couple and have been putting up good results. Is this better than GB? Probably not, but it attacks on a unique angle that a lot of decks have trouble with. I think it's better personally but that means nothing. I've been off straight GB for a while so I don't have the experience to say. I think it's a meta dependent list too. If yours has a lot of fast aggro and spirits or heavy Land destruction decks I would probably play GB over this. Otherwise I would choose this 100% of the time.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on The Rock
    I wouldn't knock disfigure it's actually a very solid card. It's definitely more well rounded than deathmark is. However is it the right tool for the job? If you need speed than 100% disfigure. However, as a 1 of against specific archetypes you most likely wont see it till mid-late game where it can kill things like powered up scoozes, champion of parishes, some spirits, etc. Disfigure as a combat trick can also be pretty huge and essentially kill things it otherwise couldn't. More often than not, disfigure is the better card.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on BG Eldrazi Midrange
    Another top 8 in the books for me at our 40 person FNM. Same list I've been on, Rockdrazi, no changes

    r1 sultai midrange
    g1 I just completely bury him. These matches seem to be whomever gets the first tracker wins. G2 he gets tracker and then I get buried. g3 I keep a hand with 2 eldrazi temples and 3 tks and 2 stone uncastable cards. I kept because it's a neat hand that never happens but I knew it was risky, if I never draw another land I just can't cast anything. WEELLLL that's exactly what happened. literally never drew a 3rd land and he was able to come back.
    0-1

    r2 hardened scales
    both games were pretty easy now that I have a bit more experience in how the deck plays. Flaying tendrils MVP but with the right draws this deck is really scary. It has such awesome grind to it.
    1-1

    r3 UR wildfire
    total brew but he had a bunch of land destroy and what not like blood moons and frost titans. It was kinda like skred red in a way, semi prisony but much worse. smushers put in work as did assassin's trophy.
    2-1

    r4 rock
    we trade a LOT of resources and much back and forth. Honestly they were very fun games but my threats usually line up much better in these GBx mirrors. I beat him in 2 with goys and scoozes and trackers. just good ol fashioned magic.
    3-1

    r5 counters company
    g1 i Just totally bury him with removal and hard beats and smusher to finish him off. g2 I get totally buried under his tracker/knight of reliquary combo. those 2 cards play very nicely together. g3 we have a mega long game. At one point i cast flaying tendrils and like 6 for 2 him (had to lose a treetop to trade with a courser) Eventually I get out kalitas and then a scooze who got monstrous and he ran out of answers.
    4-1

    top 8: jund
    I was happy to play this as in general my threats line up and in my experience I would say I'm favored albeit slightly. However jund did jund things and his removal lined up perfectly and BBE's only hit gas despite so many potentially bad flips, was a close game tho. g2 I keep a 2 colored lands with 2 scoozes and a push but largely medium hand. I debated mulling looking for either more early game or more lands and probably should have but who wants to mull in an attrition matchup where every card counts. I eventually get to my 3rd land but that was it and just drew all my top end. Only playing 1 card a turn for 6-7 turns obviously is not going to beat jund.
    4-2

    I run 24 lands and got stuck on lands in very important games. Variance is always a thing and at 24 lands I guess I'll be prone to screw more than flood. Better mull decisions would have helped for sure but they were reasonable 7's against grindy decks. I only had to mull once for real vs Rock throughout the night and I will be more wary of this in the future. Overall I played pretty well and didn't make any obvious mistakes so I can't complain.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on The Rock
    Another top 8 in the books for me at our 40 person FNM. Same list I've been on, Rockdrazi, no changes

    r1 sultai midrange
    g1 I just completely bury him. These matches seem to be whomever gets the first tracker wins. G2 he gets tracker and then I get buried. g3 I keep a hand with 2 eldrazi temples and 3 tks and 2 stone uncastable cards. I kept because it's a neat hand that never happens but I knew it was risky, if I never draw another land I just can't cast anything. WEELLLL that's exactly what happened. literally never drew a 3rd land and he was able to come back.
    0-1

    r2 hardened scales
    both games were pretty easy now that I have a bit more experience in how the deck plays. Flaying tendrils MVP but with the right draws this deck is really scary. It has such awesome grind to it.
    1-1

    r3 UR wildfire
    total brew but he had a bunch of land destroy and what not like blood moons and frost titans. It was kinda like skred red in a way, semi prisony but much worse. smushers put in work as did assassin's trophy.
    2-1

    r4 rock
    we trade a LOT of resources and much back and forth. Honestly they were very fun games but my threats usually line up much better in these GBx mirrors. I beat him in 2 with goys and scoozes and trackers. just good ol fashioned magic.
    3-1

    r5 counters company
    g1 i Just totally bury him with removal and hard beats and smusher to finish him off. g2 I get totally buried under his tracker/knight of reliquary combo. those 2 cards play very nicely together. g3 we have a mega long game. At one point i cast flaying tendrils and like 6 for 2 him (had to lose a treetop to trade with a courser) Eventually I get out kalitas and then a scooze who got monstrous and he ran out of answers.
    4-1

    top 8: jund
    I was happy to play this as in general my threats line up and in my experience I would say I'm favored albeit slightly. However jund did jund things and his removal lined up perfectly and BBE's only hit gas despite so many potentially bad flips, was a close game tho. g2 I keep a 2 colored lands with 2 scoozes and a push but largely medium hand. I debated mulling looking for either more early game or more lands and probably should have but who wants to mull in an attrition matchup where every card counts. I eventually get to my 3rd land but that was it and just drew all my top end. Only playing 1 card a turn for 6-7 turns obviously is not going to beat jund.
    4-2

    I run 24 lands and got stuck on lands in very important games. Variance is always a thing and at 24 lands I guess I'll be prone to screw more than flood. Better mull decisions would have helped for sure but they were reasonable 7's against grindy decks. I only had to mull once for real vs Rock throughout the night and I will be more wary of this in the future. Overall I played pretty well and didn't make any obvious mistakes so I can't complain.
    Posted in: Midrange
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