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Mar 6, 2018draftguy2 posted a message on MMI: Masters 25 Value ReviewI am not sure I agree with your assessment. I would say that you should use medium until you have purchased enough product to have obtained a theoreticly full set of cards. (or more) before that you are still only joansing for middle of the pack. After you have a full set it could be viewed as investment/ROI before that their is still the element of risk to account for. At 3 mythics per box that means I would only start using the average at 5 boxes or more.Posted in: Articles
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Mar 4, 2018draftguy2 posted a message on MMI: Masters 25 Value ReviewI really liked your information. However wish to give a more 'average" player perspective. The Average Player however is not buying enough product to care about the average, the medium is amuch better metric for determaning value... if we take the average value from the mediums we getPosted in: Articles
Mythic
medium
Master of the Wild Hunt averaged value 6.74
Now we use your estimate of 3 mythics per box, Mythics add 19.42 value to the box
Now rares. assuming like you that the ones worth less then buck are 0.
Nicol Bolas averaged value 2.05
Our box has 22 of these in it. valued at 45.06
Now uncommons
I am going to use your numbers because with 75 cracked you almost have a full set making average a applicaple option since you likely will get all of them. so 12.50
Now commons Same as the uncommons we have enough cracked that you should get what you are looking for atleast once. Lets add $5.
Foils, I have no data it seems like a total crapshoot. Frankly I am tempted to add 0 but instead we will use your value since you COULD hit a jackpot.... $30
We add that together we get
111.98
This is your medium(ish) value of a box.
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Dec 5, 2017draftguy2 posted a message on Word of Command: Un-believableKinda suprised,Posted in: Articles
With Collector Protector either it SHOULD be banned like Ashon's coupon or the coupon should be unbanned since they are used in the same sort of combo where basicly its a Give me $$$ or lose the game.
I oddly think Moxlotus should be unbanned... yes its infint mana but their are lots of ways in edh to get that much mana and the artifact COSTs 15...... Yes it jumps through hoops and is strong but I don't think its strong enough to warrent banning.
I understand why Secret lair, Staying power are banned and yes even Richard (no matter how much I would love to have him as my general) - To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
But Wizards doesn't make that much money, a) they have costs (printing, packaging boxes ect) most retail is atleast 100% marked up over and above costs. Wizards is likely only making half that amount. Also your assuming the mythics are the ONLY thing of value in the entire set. That ist he theorticly set ceiling pricing for any playset of mythics. Like if every other cards pritned was "forest" no foils, no rares of any value, no Mythics of any value, no uncommoons ect. These all have some degree of value. This in turn takes away value from the ceiling on any given card. No store is cracking packs at $4 a pop unless they are masters packs. The MTGO arugment however is a dam good one. that is liquid profit for them.
This comes down to where we feel the cards should be. I have already stated that I feel the MOST any card should be is $20. That should be a card that is used in Vintage/LEgacy/Modern and standard as a top 4 of mythic. From their it should only go down and dramticly, Shocks/fetches should only be in teh 5-10 range. They never should have creeped higher in the first place.
Different enviroment, Most of the cards in chronicals were valued due to rarity NOT due to play ability. Most cards in modern are valued to due to play ability and rarity. They will still have play ability demand. It will not tank the set because play ability in a fun format will drive demand even if the cards themselves are more common. Magic is also alot larger then it used tobe back then. I would suggest that most sets are printed significantly MORE times then chronicals was. Just print to demand at a normal packs price like any other set. will this make modern cheaper YES but that is a good thing.
Do you understand what "good" is? Good is alot of things to alot of people, however typicly mythics are already pretty baddly pushed. Alot of the time Wizards doesn't have the same handle on the environment that we do, More eyes more playest time logged ect. Example they didn't see a combo that EVERY SINGLE person did within hours. They need to get rid of Mythic rares entirly. All they do is make life harder for people and cards more expensive OR they need to make all Mythics Big splashly (but unplayabled in constructed) limited garbage. and make the RARES/uncommons the power/constructed worth cards of the set. I would far rather all the rares be good and playable while every single mythic I crack is crap then the other way around.
Something you need to be aware of... Most of us would view the "gutting of legacy prices" to be a GOOD thing, a desired and wanted feature not a negitive. It would never gut the value to 0. It might bottom out the value but due to packs having a cost, the values of a set of desired playable cards will never bottom out. only Level out as the prices of packs are a ceiling for them. I would frankly be very happy to never see another single priced at more then $20 a pop ever again.
In this I 100% agree with you. Precons SHOULD be semi construced viable decks. I can only think of 1 MAYBE 2 times in magic history where that has been true, and one time it was becaused of a banned OP card in said deck, The other was because the format was poorly defined and precons were a newish product where if you bought 2 you could have a soild discard theme playable deck. I am entirly in favor of printing and reprinting any nonreserve list card (in truth I would be ok with reserve list as well but working in small steps) in pre packaged fixed items, flood walmart/target/LGS with it so that the good stuff WILL be cheep. Cheaper the format is to get in to the mroe people that will play. Hell if standard T1 Deck ran only say $60 (average $1 a card) I would be tickled pink happy. That is likely hwere a throwaway format should be priced at.
How so? Modern players tend to not purcahse standard product right now, They don't play standard, Remember wizards does not need more people playing standard they need more standard product sales. By putting in the cards for older formats, the eternal format people will purchase said cards, They means packs must be cracked for these people and these people are mostly ok spending $10, $20 for a card that will tweek their deck that extra 1%. by putting say 3 extra $20 cards in a standard enviroment will leach away value from standard decks, This makes the cost to enerty for standard go down, since their is a fixed total EV in every set. It is likely that even if standard players get these cards they will not just go "well I just got Archbound Ravager V2 I guess I should spend the extra $900 for a full affinity deck, they will likely go Hey free $20 that I can trade for the a top tier card for my current standard deck. I agree standard does need to be more interesting, However putting "fun" cards back in standard (cough land destruction, good counterspells, Real combo, Prison decks cough) just likely is't in the cards.
I agree with your end result but not your reasoning, I feel wizards should return complexity to lower raritys. However I feel they need to pay MORE attention to older formats not less. They need to take standard and go "here are 5 cards that help with the following arctypes that exsist in modern/legacy as good potental valid choices to play with" Boom here is a new burn spell its 1 mana sorcory and deals 4 damage to each player, helps burn, Here is a New artifact that nicely fits in to affinity as a potential play choice, Here is a Great libary self miller say 1 black to put the 7 cards of your libary in to your graveyard yoru welcome dredge. Basically assume the other formats can take anything you throw at them and every set print 2-5 cards that slot in to existing decks in the meta game, Preferable T 2 and T1.5 decks that push them alittle bit. By printing cards that helps decks that don't exists in standard it only adds value to standard which takes away value from standard staples. This makes standard cheaper withlut warping it since most of the types of cards I am talking about are uselss in standard itself.
I suggest changing our card limit from 4 to 2. This will likely cut prices since demand will die down and spread out value in a block/set since more different cards must be used. This also maens your games will be mroe diferse and different with other play angles. You an no longer slot 4 of the best you can get 2 then need to pick which of the next two highest that are tried should be the next in your list.
Yup, no way they are taking a 100+ dollar staple and selling it for $20, If this has a MSRP of $50 or $80 we might be able to say oh JTMS but not at 20.
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MSRP
Con
Only 9 cards.
Likely to have Jace thats NOT the mindsculpter in it.
Likely to be "Theamed" so less about awsome cards and more about what "fits with the theam" instead of "playable in eternal formats/EDH"