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  • posted a message on Ihsan's Shade .:. WOTC Instagram Spoiler
    The 5 card rule was specifically for the first pro tour event.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on What does Wizards of the Coast need to do to improve magic the gathering?
    Quote from misterpid »
    [quote from="WarMachinePrime »" url="/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/789255-what-does-wizards-of-the-coast-need-to-do-to?comment=44"]


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    The problem is that if a sealed product has a high enough EV compared to it's MSRP, then stores/sellers will have more incentive to either raise the price on the sealed product or just open it up and sell singles instead of selling the sealed product. We've seen this over and over throughout the history of the game. WotC obviously knows this happens and it looks like they want to limit the extent of it happening (mostly just with FTV products). If the sellers don't do either of those things, then they will most likely sell out of the product immediately and lots of people who want to buy the product from them won't be able to.

    Look around and you'll notice that people complain about the drop in the level of cards used in almost every type of sealed product compared to what we've had in the past. Most people seem to complain about it by saying that WotC is just being cheap and not giving people the cards that they really want. The way I see it is that they are being realistic about people being able to get sealed products at the MSRP.

    Is there a solution to this situation? I have no idea whether there is or not.


    Yes I know all of this. Many on the site do as well. There are a few delusional that think you should get twice the EV that you paid for. That's not what I or anyone else reasonable is advocating. What I'm saying is that if the average EV of a pack of Masters is around 3 to 4 bucks (And that is probably stretching it.) then MSRP should be no more than 2 times that amount at $6.99 a pack. There is nothing more feel bad than paying 10 bucks for a pack of Masters and opening it to find a worthless 25 cent bulk rare and an equally worthless common foil that isn't played anywhere. 10 dollars for 50 cents worth of value. Maybe I need to set up a stand at Magic tourneys and offer 2 shiny quarters for a ten dollar bill. Its almost the same lunacy.

    So there IS a solution to this. WotC/Hasbro needs to only reprint stronger, reasonable value cards in PREMIUM Masters sets. Screw the "configured for draft". That is what the Conspiracy line is for. Make it so EV of packs is targeted so you at least get half back what you paid for it. Sure some decks will come in way on the high side, but others will fall a slight bit below to balance it out. And yes this would probably take a new pack collation method, not their current one. I'm sure they will say that its time intensive and would cost them money to do so. I'd bet there is still "meat on the bone" per cost of pack produced to do this. But they will never share that information, they don't want us to know.

    Thanks for the response though. I think we need a discussion of this topic. Smile



    That type of system works if all of the rares/mythics have a value that fall within the given range. But no one will want to buy a set like that because none of the (non-foil) cards will be worth more than the cost of the pack. They need to have high dollar cards to draw interest in the set. The more high dollar cards they put into the set, the more "feel bad" cards are needed to create the correct balance.

    Let's take Masters 25 as an example. We know Jace, Phyrexian Obliterator and Azusa will all be in Masters 25. How should they balance out the set and achieve the desired average pack EV just based on those 3 cards being included?




    According to http://mtg.dawnglare.com/?p=sets&source=tcg_low&pack=1, using the lowest value indicator, assuming anything worth less than $1 is worthless, and not taking into account foils, EV on every Masters set before Iconic Masters is $6+, and even Iconic is $4+. Using mid-value indicator, it's closer to $6 for Iconic, $9 for most masters sets and over $18 for the original Modern Masters (and that's still ignoring anything worth less than $1 and ignoring foils).

    According to these numbers, you're already getting EV nearly equal to MSRP (or more, given the pessimistic assumptions) from every pack of Masters except Iconic, and even in Iconic the EV is not less than half the MSRP. So if you just want MSRP no more than two times EV, then Wizards has already satisfied your criteria.


    You're looking at current EV numbers for past sets, which are much higher than the EV of those sets when they were first released. What we are talking about is EV at the time of release or while the set is readily available. Yes, Modern Masters 2013 has an EV higher than the MSRP - but good luck finding packs for that price, or even for a price equal to the current EV.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on What does Wizards of the Coast need to do to improve magic the gathering?
    Quote from Teysa_Karlov »
    A lot of what people are asking on here will never (and probably should never) happen.

    I know people on here want $40 event decks with $300 worth of value in them. Maybe you're special and your game store will reserve a copy for you. Most people will watch those rot on a speculators shelf, or end up on eBay with severely inflated price.

    I know people on here want cheap Masters packs with a huge pack-to-value ratio. See above. Most boxes will just end up on collector's shelves.

    I know people on here want Wizards to not be the evil overlords of the world, the dreaded "SJW!". Yeah... okay... whatever... I didn't know Return of Kings was a Magic website.

    Solutions to Magic's issues are not that simple.


    How much did WotC give you to post that up? Oh, that's right, they don't pay non-employees. I'm guessing you got a foil advertising card.

    On a more serious note, what do you suggest? The OP is asking for ideas. I don't think people are asking for 40 buck 300 value event decks or 20 dollar EV in a 5 dollar pack. What are your suggestions?



    The problem is that if a sealed product has a high enough EV compared to it's MSRP, then stores/sellers will have more incentive to either raise the price on the sealed product or just open it up and sell singles instead of selling the sealed product. We've seen this over and over throughout the history of the game. WotC obviously knows this happens and it looks like they want to limit the extent of it happening (mostly just with FTV products). If the sellers don't do either of those things, then they will most likely sell out of the product immediately and lots of people who want to buy the product from them won't be able to.

    Look around and you'll notice that people complain about the drop in the level of cards used in almost every type of sealed product compared to what we've had in the past. Most people seem to complain about it by saying that WotC is just being cheap and not giving people the cards that they really want. The way I see it is that they are being realistic about people being able to get sealed products at the MSRP.

    Is there a solution to this situation? I have no idea whether there is or not.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Faded ink run
    Pulled a Spire Winder from a RIX Bundle Pack today that you can't even read the "2" in the 2/3 power/toughness box. The 3 is very faint as well. If I get the urge I'll take a pic and post it up.


    I've seen a lot of pictures of Spire Winders with no power or toughness at all.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on possible rare cards?
    If you post a picture of the backs of the cards, we can tell if they are Alternate 4th.
    Posted in: Market Street Café
  • posted a message on Just did a Unlimited booster opening and i don't know how to sell it
    I've heard of Beta starter decks with all rares and I've heard of Unlimited packs with rares in the uncommon slots. But those involved all cards from the rare sheet, not just Power 9 cards. The OP here seems to be claiming that he opened boosters of Unlimited that had 15 P9 cards in them.

    Also, comments are disabled on the video. It really looks like someone wants to pretend that they opened these cards from sealed packs and doesn't want anybody to spoil their fun by bringing reality into the situation.
    Posted in: Market Street Café Archive
  • posted a message on Wizards Pushing Retailers With Booster Deal (3 for $10)
    Quote from jshrwd »
    All the local stores out here already were doing this deal though. Big box stores aren't gaining any edge here

    Local store = Wal-Mart and Target?
    I have never seen a discounted pack at my Targets or Wal-Marts.
    That's a non-hyperbolic statement. I've never seen a discounted pack at their stores.
    Closest I've ever seen are those very occasional markdowns by Walgreens.



    I picked up a couple of packs at Target a few nights ago without knowing about this sale. The sale price wasn't posted anywhere in the area where the packs are displayed, but my receipt showed the discount.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Possible repacks, opinions?
    The 5 commons that appeared on the uncommon sheet were:

    Reprisal
    False Demise
    Feast or Famine
    Gorilla Shaman
    Deadly Insect

    As mentioned already, the 3 uncommons that appeared on the rare sheet were:

    Sol Grail
    Urza's Engine
    Whirling Catapult
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Possible repacks, opinions?
    It sounds like 1 of your Uncommons was from the Rare sheet and 5 of your Commons were from the Uncommon sheet.

    Also, I don't remember Alliances packs being searchable. I'm pretty sure that the boxes can be mapped, but I don't remember being able to see through the packaging like you could with packs like ABU and Revised.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Wizards is controlling secondary market prices and it just keeps getting worse for us!
    Quote from MrMoustache »

    To be fair, they initially set a lower MSRP for Masters packs, but stores just jacked up the prices anyway, so WotC decided to get their share of that price markup. I can't say I blame them for that.


    I don't know if that's actually the case. To me, it seems that WotC realizes that if a sealed product has a higher EV than the MSRP then stores/dealers will have more incentive to open the product and sell the singles and/or increase the price of the the sealed product. When they put together Commander products and Masters sets they seem to be very careful about the EV of the product so that the product can get to players at the desired price and availability.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Biggest Luck you have seen in MTG???
    Grand Prix DC 2004. Team "369 a Pack" came in 5th overall and won $1500 as a team. One of the team members won 1 match the entire tournament. They had 2 byes to start the tournament - so he won $500 for going 1-8 in matches that he actually played.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Uses of Worship
    I played it in a counter sliver deck in early 2000. I made top 8 at a Star City PTQ (extended) with that deck.

    Worship combos with Crystalline Sliver pretty well.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Looking for cards to put together a deck
    Hedron Crab is uncommon.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Looking for a card
    Day's Undoing
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Metal streaming through our veins...
    Maryland Deathfest is this weekend in Baltimore. Lots of great bands playing all weekend, but as usual I'm going to miss most (if not all) of it. I might be going to the Thursday show to catch Acid King.
    Posted in: Music
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