Yeah the souls would come out against combo. The deck is so good against delver/creature decks that I decided to cut an abrupt decay, the only thing it kills that I care a lot about is a deceiver exarch. Could be wrong though.
I think you need some kind of proactive gameplan against control and the blockers are useful against midrange and aggro. It is also one of the best cards to cast from your graveyard/pitch to looting. I think you either need lingering souls or bloodghast to apply pressure. Either that or go more creature heavy with goyfs. I ended up cutting an abrupt decay,magmatic insight and a molten vortex for 3 inquisitions. Then I swapped the assaults for zombie infestation to try that out. I haven't played too much yet but I think I will like it.
Updated my list a little bit. Went 3-1 at FNM.
Round 1 was Burn easy win he had bad draws.
Round 2 was also Burn, lived with 1 life in game 2 by constantly dredging brownscales.
Round 3 was Jeskei Twin. Barely lost to my friend. Rest in peace + Relic of projenitus was just a little too much to handle.
Round 4 was Bogles, really easy matchup with Smallpox.
I feel like I could use 3 Inquisitions in the main deck. IoK to get information on what they are playing and sculpt my hands with the correct answers for that. Does anyone have suggestions on what to cut?
Also I have a really outdated mana base from before the friendly fetches were printed. Are Graven Cairns still useful or should I just stick with fastlands/shocklands/fetches.
Yeah you are probably right. I was even thinking of going up to 27 lands just because it runs so much better when you have ample lands. Especially with the 4 of Magmatic Insight and no Tormenting Voice.
What do you all think about coiling oracle it can generate card advantage with aether vial and help stem bleeding versus aggro. It could also help get cryptic online a turn sooner.
Hey, this is a 4 color control list i am planing on playing at fnm. If anyone has any suggestions or if im missing anything that should obviously be included i would like to have some feedback.
4 Color control
I am a little confused by the lack of scars lands in the RWU list, it seems like you really need either turn 3 double red or turn 4 double white. Scars lands seem to be the best way to do that, although if there is a good reason not running scars lands i'm all ears.
Oblivion ring for my deck is essintially a catch-all spell that can deal with trouble creature and equipment such as batterskull and sword of w&p, if i was facing wolfrun id side in spot removal, but at my lgs only one player has a wolf run deck that i know of. Ive been running blade slicer has a way to block sworded creatures as well as to pump champion, but ive been considering swaping in haunting instead. I have been happy with blade splicer though.
Id like some input on my deck, its a heavy White version with just a splash black, with the champion synergy as well. I don't have a sideboard yet as I'm going to tune it to my meta specifically.
Also fullmetaldante i tested your list a bit but i found 22 land to be a tad to few, i often was stuck on 2 land unable to cast most of my spells, have you considered 23 or 24 lands?
Well i went 3-2 at FNM yesterday playing Jadens build except i cut a geistflame for another land. I must say there were probably 8 B/W token decks there it was insane. Here are my matches.
Round 1 vs U/W Spirits 2-0
Both of those games were rather easy, hexproof doesn't do much to day of judgement or slagstorm. Only thalia gave me a bit of trouble but a 2 mana geistflame took care of that. *fun fact* i had 4 BV down game 2 and killed him with a gesitflame.
Round 2 vs R/G Aggro 1-2
Game one he trounced me with a daybreak ranger that i couldn't deal with, had to waste an o-ring on the sword of war and peace he had down. He had a bird on the field too and it would have killed me faster than the ranger.
Game two he lands a thrun but i race him with 2 devil's plays i was at 2 when the game ended.
Game three i was stuck on 5 lands with 2 P. Image in the yard and a sun titan in my hand. It was sad and unfortunate.
Round 3 vs B/W Tokens 1-2
Game one he got there with spirits while i was digging for a sweep which never came. Not much i could have done.
Game two he keeps a land heavy hand with intangible virtue and lingering souls. I leak the virtue and dissipate the lingering souls. So that was about it for him.
Game three i think i could have won. I should have devil's played Sorin for 1 when i had the chance. I was at 2 life and i had just sweeped his board holding DoJ and Snapcaster. I had to Day every time his made a token because they were 5/3's with his anthem. My o-ring with 1 turn too late.
Round 4 vs B/R Limited deck 2-1
It was kind of sad i lost the game i did, he killed me with bloodhall. Not much else to say here.
Round 5 vs G/B Infect 2-1
Can't really recall what happened i just know he wasn't running P. Crusader and i was alright.
Overall pretty happy with the deck, no mana issues but i think i was lucky. I may try 2 evolving wilds.
Yeah it was probably just a really wierd occurance. Last night it ran beautifully, i dident have the catacombs in. I had another seachrome and a copperline. But it was probably just random. Speaking of the matches though, if he had a fast draw it was rough unless i had a sweep. Although once he ran out of steam it was easy to win. I must say dissapating the lingering souls is one of the best things you can do.
Well i just got done playing a bunch of matches vs BW tokens with jadens list. Im not sure what happened but i really got color screwed about 6 out of 10 games. I never felt like i had early red. It could have been random chancr but i took out a drowned catacomb and put another copperline gorge in. It seemed to help but do you think the mana base is optimal?
I was actually thinking the same thing when i was testing vs BW tokens. We dident have enough raw draw power. One example was when he had a doomes travler and an intangible virtue on the field and it was my turn and i was on 2 lands and i already missed the last land drop. No draw spells in the yard. I had a hand of DoJ, O ring, snapcaster, and faithless looting. I cast looting and got 2 lands. I knew i needed the land but i pitched one and the o ring anyway. I ended up missing land drops after that and losing. I cant help but think if i had a desperate ravings. I would have been ok.
1 Murderous Cut
4 Faithless Looting
4 Magmatic Insight
2 Abrupt Decay
4 Life from the Loam
1 Darkblast
4 Lingering Souls
4 Smallpox
2 Seismic Assault
3 Liliana of the Veil
27 Land
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Thoughtseize
3 Raven's Crime
2 Golgari Brownscale
2 Anger of the Gods
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Worm Harvest
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Spellskite
Updated my list a little bit. Went 3-1 at FNM.
Round 1 was Burn easy win he had bad draws.
Round 2 was also Burn, lived with 1 life in game 2 by constantly dredging brownscales.
Round 3 was Jeskei Twin. Barely lost to my friend. Rest in peace + Relic of projenitus was just a little too much to handle.
Round 4 was Bogles, really easy matchup with Smallpox.
I feel like I could use 3 Inquisitions in the main deck. IoK to get information on what they are playing and sculpt my hands with the correct answers for that. Does anyone have suggestions on what to cut?
Also I have a really outdated mana base from before the friendly fetches were printed. Are Graven Cairns still useful or should I just stick with fastlands/shocklands/fetches.
Thanks
2 Vengeful Pharaoh
1 Golgari Brownscale
4 Faithless Looting
4 Magmatic Insight
1 Abrupt Decay
4 Life from the Loam
1 Darkblast
4 Lingering Souls
4 Smallpox
2 Seismic Assault
3 Liliana of the Veil
26 Land including at least 1 raging ravine and ghost quarter
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Thoughtseize
2 Raven's Crime
2 Golgari Brownscale
2 Anger of the Gods
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Worm Harvest
2 Ghost Quarter / Sowing Salts
Thoughts?
4 Color control
4x Supreme Verdict
2x Pillar of Flame
2x Burning Oil
3x Ultimate Price
2x Detention Sphere
Utility/Draw
3x Azorius Charm
3x Chromatic Lantern
2x Lingering Souls
2x Dissipate
1x Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
1x Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
1x Think Twice
2x Jace, Architect of Thought
3x Sphinx's Revelation
1x Elixir of Immortality
1x Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
1x Door to Nothingness
Lands
4x Hallowed Fountain
4x Steam Vents
2x Dragonskull Summit
3x Sulfur Falls
4x Drowned Catacomb
4x Glacial fortress
2x Clifftop retreat
2x Shimmering Grotto
1x Nephalia Drownyard
2x Dispel
2x Negate
1x Tormod's Crypt
3x Slaughter Games
1x Rakdos's Return
2x Pillar of Flame
1x Drogskull reaver
1x Clone
2x Terminus
Thanks in advance.
4x Doomed Traveler
4x Champion of the Parish
4x Blade Splicer
2x Hero of Bladehold
4x Gather the Townsfolk
4x Lingering Souls
Anthems
4x Intangible Virtue
4x Honor of the Pure
3x Oblivion Ring
Planeswalkers
3x Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Lands
13x Plains
4x Swamp
4x Isolated Chapel
3x Vault of the Archangel
Also fullmetaldante i tested your list a bit but i found 22 land to be a tad to few, i often was stuck on 2 land unable to cast most of my spells, have you considered 23 or 24 lands?
Round 1 vs U/W Spirits 2-0
Both of those games were rather easy, hexproof doesn't do much to day of judgement or slagstorm. Only thalia gave me a bit of trouble but a 2 mana geistflame took care of that. *fun fact* i had 4 BV down game 2 and killed him with a gesitflame.
Round 2 vs R/G Aggro 1-2
Game one he trounced me with a daybreak ranger that i couldn't deal with, had to waste an o-ring on the sword of war and peace he had down. He had a bird on the field too and it would have killed me faster than the ranger.
Game two he lands a thrun but i race him with 2 devil's plays i was at 2 when the game ended.
Game three i was stuck on 5 lands with 2 P. Image in the yard and a sun titan in my hand. It was sad and unfortunate.
Round 3 vs B/W Tokens 1-2
Game one he got there with spirits while i was digging for a sweep which never came. Not much i could have done.
Game two he keeps a land heavy hand with intangible virtue and lingering souls. I leak the virtue and dissipate the lingering souls. So that was about it for him.
Game three i think i could have won. I should have devil's played Sorin for 1 when i had the chance. I was at 2 life and i had just sweeped his board holding DoJ and Snapcaster. I had to Day every time his made a token because they were 5/3's with his anthem. My o-ring with 1 turn too late.
Round 4 vs B/R Limited deck 2-1
It was kind of sad i lost the game i did, he killed me with bloodhall. Not much else to say here.
Round 5 vs G/B Infect 2-1
Can't really recall what happened i just know he wasn't running P. Crusader and i was alright.
Overall pretty happy with the deck, no mana issues but i think i was lucky. I may try 2 evolving wilds.