"Bah, bah, black sheep, can I have some votes?"
"Yes sir, yes sir," said the other goats.
"None for your scumtells, none for your claim, (vanilla, by the way)
four from the PoE, it's the one to blame."
PoE is pronounced "pee oh ee" because process of elimination doesn't fit well with the tune.
I'm must really be townie, considering I'm the clear lynch for the day and I've been around for almost seventeen hours. You guys realize that I'm the last surviving original player? After I'm dead, Ged will have to change the thread title to "Replacement Mafia - Night 4: Death of PoE"
There will be a tonight, and I would definitely look into Ande. Damn. I was afraid this was going to happen. Getting lynched by process of elimination sucks.
Vote FereMiyJeenyus. I AM NOW AT L-1.
You should probably wait to hammer me until everyone has at least checked in and said anything they'd like to say before going to night.
Well if im the godfather who cares if the cop investigates me. I'm going to show up town. However if the last scum ISN'T a Godfather, I would agree with you that shooting the doctor would be the night action I would choose. But then it would have to involve a lot of arguing against the cop to "stay alive".
I was actually trying to highlight the fact that shooting at the cop, regardless of the chance that he would be protected, is the right play in that situation. Otherwise, what would you be able to say to the cop to keep yourself from getting lynched? "I guess I'm a secret miller in a basic game?" Yeah, that probably won't work. Also, I'm still doubtful that there would be a godfather in this game.
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WHAT? I was talking about your head in the game and you mention something about reading me closely.. Im talking in general, why the lack of care for the game?
If I have limited time to read, which I sometimes do, I focus that time on non-confirmed people in order to try and figure out their alignment.
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Yes that is a possability. However I know going into last night I wasn't once thinking that the doctor could self protect. A lot of them cant, so my expection was for the doctor to protect me. So me dying overnight and him claiming to self protect might not "look good" as you are claiming it to be.
Why not? It's no less reasonable than getting a successful self-protect. I don't think anyone was expecting ande to protect himself, but that's what happened, so here we are.
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So let me ask you this FMJ, we have 1 scum left. Lets now assume that the role of this scum is a godfather, Who do we lynch today and why?
Of the confirmed players, I think Cheese is the scummiest. Coming in and trying to hammer me was scummy, especially considering that he barned a "preferred lynch order" as if it was a case. He doesn't bother to ask me any questions, or even wait for us to finish our back-and-forth. I feel like he's been very quiet since you came out with your results on him, which doesn't seem like a good use of a confirmed alignment. I wish we had had a day of him being unconfirmed to see if this is normal behavior for him.
But, like I've said, I don't think there is a godfather, and we shouldn't waste time on the confirmed players when there are unknowns running around. With that considered, I think we should lynch Nom and investigate either me or Drakno tonight. If Nom's scum, game over. If the investigated player is scum, lynch him, game over. If the investigated player isn't scum, the uninvestigated one is, lynch him, game over.
I don't understand... this could be more of you not reading.. Ced only claimed to be the doctor to either A. Bring out the real doctor or B. Confuse the Mafia in shooting him over the real doctor. Him shooting Andel is the PERECT move for him esp if he knew I was going to get a townie read on him. (If he was the godfather that is..)
Sorry, this is just confusing writing on my part. So, imagine you're the last scum in a game with a claimed cop and doc. The cop says he is going to investigate you during the night. Who do you shoot in order to not be outed and lynched the next day?
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Sooo any real reason you choose not to read or retain informaion? It really really helps when fighting against scum.
It's probably because I'm not reading you as closely as I was before you claimed cop. I'm guessing I did the same thing with goat on day 1. He was obviously town to me, so I didn't spend as much time analyzing his posts.
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We don't know that yet now do we? Right now it seems unlikely but it could be an awesome way for us to gain trust in him. (Then again why not just kill me but then it only makes HIM look bad then..)
He could have killed you, then claimed to have self-protected. That would have kept him looking good and cast suspicion on ced today, because you were investigating him during the night.
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I didn't say it was unreasonable, Im just saying you are talking alot about the mechanics of his role. He's a Doctor, we should leave it at that.
You talked about them earlier, in far fishier way than I did. I was just addressing the balance concerns, but I'm okay with dropping it at this point.
So you thought I was going to lie about who I am going to search last night? You also have created a very creative plan on what you thought would have happened overnight.. Personally I was expecting Andre or Ced to be killed last night.
It's not a "creative" plan, though I appreciate the compliment. It's just the rational plan. Ignore my apparent inability to read or retain information for a second. If ced was the last living scum going into last night, shooting the doctor is the wrong plan for him, because he'd still be outed and lynched the next day. It's not really clever or sneaky, it's just what he would have had to do in order to not lose.
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Huh? flies in the face of your read? Can you explain better?
I've been thinking that ande is town for pretty much the entire game now, so I don't think he's gambitting scum.
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Same could be said about my investigations... And you seem to want to know more about our doctor... perhaps??
What? How did you get fishing from that? I was just saying that, from a game balance perspective, having a doc with self-protection is not unreasonable.
Personally, I'm leaning towards lynching Drakno today. Going into night, I thought Roja was going to target Nom, and I feel like scum-Nom would have done everything in his power (i.e. try to kill Roja) to prevent himself from being investigated. Drak, who no one mentioned investigating, would have probably taken the safer path of killing ande before Roja, but the self-protection thing threw a wrench in it.
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Yes, ande is free to do what he wants, but if you die tonight, I'm going to assume Ande's doing a scum gambit and do all I can to get him lynched tomorrow.
This crossed my mind, but it flies in the face of my read, not to mention the whole "uncounterclaimed doctor" thing.
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Probably. Without the last mafia role revealed, however, I have no idea how well the game is or is not balanced with my role in it.
If we hadn't lynched the roleblocker, your self-protecting would basically read "The mafia skip their kill the night after you claim, unless they shoot someone else. You die after that, though." So yeah, I don't think it's too broken, especially because most docs don't get a successful protect unless the cop claims before they do. We just have a good situation to use it in.
Also, ande, who(m?) did you protect night one, and why? Goatrevolt seemed like the best choice, but that might have just been me. Obviously, if you'd prefer, this can wait until after the game.
I said what I did because uncounterclaimed doctors get shot, especially when there's still a cop around to protect. Also, because it was funnier than just saying "I'm confused as to why ande's alive."
Aside from good ol' stupidity, someone might have shot at the cop if they thought they were going to be investigated, and killing the cop is their only chance at not being outed the following morning. Assuming ande protected Roja, I think Nom, the other potential investigation target, is worth a look.
Ande, no offense, I love you and all, but why aren't you dead? Uncounterclaimed docs don't typically survive long. Also, if you could tell us who you protected, that would be awesome.
I'm leaning Drakno, but I'm going to reread a bit before I vote for anyone.
So, unless Toast, ced, or Cheese counterclaims, ande's town and will almost certainly be dying tonight. There's not really too much to say until those folks weigh in, but we're probably in need of a new suspect. At this point, I'd prefer a Toast lynch to lynching Nom or Drak, but I have limited access and won't be able to build a case until Monday or so. I'll be checking in before then, though, so never fear.
Ugh, life. Sorry for the lack of real posts. As far as the current cases go, I'm not feeling it for either Drak or ande. Any time I try to read them from a scum mindset, it just doesn't work. I'd be okay lynching either Nom or Toast, both of whom I have mixed to scummy reads on. WoD's vote on Toast could have been a gambit, and he didn't have anything to lose regardless of Toast's alignment, so clearing Toast based solely on that doesn't feel entirely wise. As far as investigations go, I really don't care who Roja targets. It's all good at this point.
The one thing I'm nervous about is accidentally outing the doctor. We're in a good position right now, and someone claiming doctor and getting nightkilled would mess that up.
Have you got a quote?
I found a post where he says that he thought that Watchers and Trackers counted as basic roles (significant because they can catch Godfathers), but that's all I found.
I remember a post saying that players in basic games should always be able to trust cop results (no insane/paranoid/naive cops, millers, or godfathers), but I can't seem to find it at the moment. Anyhow, I know Ged IRL, and I doubt he'd put a godfather in a basic game. He's a little crazy, but not cruel.
"Yes sir, yes sir," said the other goats.
"None for your scumtells, none for your claim, (vanilla, by the way)
four from the PoE, it's the one to blame."
PoE is pronounced "pee oh ee" because process of elimination doesn't fit well with the tune.
I'm must really be townie, considering I'm the clear lynch for the day and I've been around for almost seventeen hours. You guys realize that I'm the last surviving original player? After I'm dead, Ged will have to change the thread title to "Replacement Mafia - Night 4: Death of PoE"
Vote FereMiyJeenyus. I AM NOW AT L-1.
You should probably wait to hammer me until everyone has at least checked in and said anything they'd like to say before going to night.
If I have limited time to read, which I sometimes do, I focus that time on non-confirmed people in order to try and figure out their alignment.
Why not? It's no less reasonable than getting a successful self-protect. I don't think anyone was expecting ande to protect himself, but that's what happened, so here we are.
Of the confirmed players, I think Cheese is the scummiest. Coming in and trying to hammer me was scummy, especially considering that he barned a "preferred lynch order" as if it was a case. He doesn't bother to ask me any questions, or even wait for us to finish our back-and-forth. I feel like he's been very quiet since you came out with your results on him, which doesn't seem like a good use of a confirmed alignment. I wish we had had a day of him being unconfirmed to see if this is normal behavior for him.
But, like I've said, I don't think there is a godfather, and we shouldn't waste time on the confirmed players when there are unknowns running around. With that considered, I think we should lynch Nom and investigate either me or Drakno tonight. If Nom's scum, game over. If the investigated player is scum, lynch him, game over. If the investigated player isn't scum, the uninvestigated one is, lynch him, game over.
It's probably because I'm not reading you as closely as I was before you claimed cop. I'm guessing I did the same thing with goat on day 1. He was obviously town to me, so I didn't spend as much time analyzing his posts.
He could have killed you, then claimed to have self-protected. That would have kept him looking good and cast suspicion on ced today, because you were investigating him during the night.
You talked about them earlier, in far fishier way than I did. I was just addressing the balance concerns, but I'm okay with dropping it at this point.
It's not a "creative" plan, though I appreciate the compliment. It's just the rational plan. Ignore my apparent inability to read or retain information for a second. If ced was the last living scum going into last night, shooting the doctor is the wrong plan for him, because he'd still be outed and lynched the next day. It's not really clever or sneaky, it's just what he would have had to do in order to not lose.
I've been thinking that ande is town for pretty much the entire game now, so I don't think he's gambitting scum.
What? How did you get fishing from that? I was just saying that, from a game balance perspective, having a doc with self-protection is not unreasonable.
This crossed my mind, but it flies in the face of my read, not to mention the whole "uncounterclaimed doctor" thing.
If we hadn't lynched the roleblocker, your self-protecting would basically read "The mafia skip their kill the night after you claim, unless they shoot someone else. You die after that, though." So yeah, I don't think it's too broken, especially because most docs don't get a successful protect unless the cop claims before they do. We just have a good situation to use it in.
Also, ande, who(m?) did you protect night one, and why? Goatrevolt seemed like the best choice, but that might have just been me. Obviously, if you'd prefer, this can wait until after the game.
Aside from good ol' stupidity, someone might have shot at the cop if they thought they were going to be investigated, and killing the cop is their only chance at not being outed the following morning. Assuming ande protected Roja, I think Nom, the other potential investigation target, is worth a look.
I'm leaning Drakno, but I'm going to reread a bit before I vote for anyone.
The one thing I'm nervous about is accidentally outing the doctor. We're in a good position right now, and someone claiming doctor and getting nightkilled would mess that up.