MTG Salvation

Personely(sp?), I think that I desperatley want to see the guild mechanics. I have a B/W control deck, so I selfishly hope they have a good one. Also, I want to see the Simic one, which looks like it is a way to change creatures, possibly almost something liek transmute? In fact, I would love to see my brand spanking new crazy idea that all the mechanics for each color are linked in some way. (So all of blues warp things, all of Whites encourage lotsa creatures, All of Blacks involve the graveyard, All of green's move creatures, and all or reds are mass effects, or something similar)
In summation GOGO Ravnica!!!

Quote from Dr. Pops »

Force of William 2UUB
Rare- Instant
Instead of playing Force of William's mana cost, you may pay 1 life and reveal your hand to target opponent. That opponent chooses a blue or black card and puts it into your graveyard.

Counter target spell.

I like all the cards but tyhis one, as you can play it with no blue cards. Try this
Force of William Istvan 2UUB
Rare- Instant
Instead of playing Force of William Istvan's mana cost, you may pay 1 life and reveal your hand to target opponent. That opponent chooses a blue and black card and puts it into your graveyard.
Counter target spell.

But a nice concept for cards. There all good, but not too much so (at least I think not, but I'm a desigener not a developer, dammit! (well I'm neither, but don't tell Wizards. I think I'm almost hired.))

Quote from Uber Moogle »

Upon R_E's discovery of the "bleed" mechanic, some of my earlier ideas may work in that way.

Meteoric Impact 4:symw::symw:
Sorcery
Destroy all non-land permanents. They can't be regenerated.
If any was spent to play Meteoric Impact, destroy all lands. They can't be regenerated.

I like this card. I fully expect something similar to be in ravnica. THe only thing is, B/R also seems to need some mass creature destruction. THe wasy i see this working out is W/R gets stuff similar to what you're saying, and B/R gets mass creature destruction, and cards that reward you for destroying creatures. one card that matches with the one I posted before is this:
2{B/R}{B/R}
Whenever a creature is put into a graveyard from play, you may pay 1B. If you do, target player discards a card.
Whenever a creature is put into a graveyard from play, you may pay 1B. If you do, deal 2 damage to target creature or player.
2/4
Something like that. What do u guys think?

OK, this is one of my favorite topics so heres what I think.
R/U I really like this as rewarding instants/sorceries. like:
2{r/u}{r/u}
Whenever you play an instant or sorcery you may pay 1R. If you do, deal 2 damage to target creature or player.
Whenever you play an instant or sorcery you may pay 1U. If you do, draw a card.
2/4
G/U One major abilities no one has mentioned is instant speed creatures. Combined with untargetability, I see there being a lot of shifty, sneaky cretures.
W/G Token creatures are split between these two colors. There should be quite few token generators.
B/W Judges is how i see these flavor wise. Definitely look for a twist on vindicate.
G/B This is where reanimation is nowadays, not B/W. I could see this clan being creepy, undead, necromancers who keep bringing each other back to life.
That's all for tonight. I'm tired. I will think of some more in the morning.

What I meant by "rewards you for playing spells" is "rewards you for playing instants and sorceries" But I admit that was really funny. For example
{R/U guild}{R/U GUild}
War Mage
Whenever you play an instant or sorcery, you may pay 1U. If you do, draw a card.
Whenever you play an instant or sorcery, you may pay 1R. If you do, deal 2 damage to target creature or player.
1/1

That sort of thing.

Quote from Ranma »

G/U: Instant creatures, card draw via combat damage, mulch, index effects. Small creatures that can be evasive.

At least that is my general opinion. I like the rest of your ideas.

Ah, this makes sense. I like the instant creatures paticularly. Perhaps they are summoners? EDIT: I mean the guild. That explains the instant creatures.

OK here is some rudimentary ideas about what the different guilds' themes might be mechanically and flavorwise.

B/W Guild: Given Vindicate, and the fact that between them they can destroy any permanent type, I suspect that this color will be all about removal. I suspect that they are judges.

G/B Guild: Based on the leaked cards, I see this as a color of Reanimation and Regeneration. Again it is in both colors. Rouges in a forest who won't die is my guest for flavor. Maybe ghosts?

U/B Guild: This will probably be a guild based on knowledge. Mechanichaly this will be Draw and Discard. This fits with the leaked card. Flavorwise, a group of spies who want to knwo everything, and then take action

U/W Guild: A guild of Lawmakers. They make the rules. Mechanicaly Global enchantments.

R/W Guild: Combat Guild. machanicaly. First strike, haste, double strike, tougness pumping, firebreathing.

R/B Guild:BOOOM!!!!!!!!!!! Just lots of destruction, not targeted. Instead like Earthquake or Hideus Laughter. Terrorists flavorwise.

R/G Guild: Big Things Guild. Big guys. Yeah. Fatties.

R/U Guild: Mages. Card that reward you for playing spells.

G/W Guild: Clerics. Lifegain. Protection. And Tokens.

G/U Guild: I am having a lot of trouble with this one. I just don't see where these colors interesect. And I am not just going to randomly put something down.

So what do you guys think?

OK I don't know if this came to me in a dream or what, but I had this idea when I woke up: What if Ravinca statreted telling the story, then Guildpact was set in the past (before Ravinca) and gave us some backround knowledge, and then deltete picked up where Ravinca left off?
I have no idea what made me think of that but what do you guys think?

Quote from rancored_elf »

I agree and think ALL guild spells will be playable with just one type of mana, it's just that they won't be as powerful sometimes. Like a Boomerang for 2U, and if you paid some B as part of the cost, you also get to lose 1 life and draw a card. And then of course the "guild mana" spells like the :2mana:(:symw:/:symr:) proposed above. One is a mono coloured spell that you can choose to add another colour into to juice it up. The other is a gold spell that can be cast using mana of either colour. Awesome.

Isn't what your suggesting pretty much kicker? I dont think theyll do something that similar to Invasion, as they will proably be working to keep it distinct.

I feel that Tidwell's card (and the other cards that would use the idea) couldn't be made because, using tidwell's as an example, that would be a counterspell you could pay WW for. Gold cards are largely about combining abilities from different colors, and with this mechanic, all the effects would have to match both colors making the cards far less interesting.
However, I disagree that it can't be done due to complexity. Wizards has done some very complex things recently, such as Morph, Imprint, and Splice. Don't rule something out just becoase it's different.

I think that the wave symbol is for u/g. Look at it one way, and it's a tree. Another way its a wave.

Hey, this looks great, but I just found out about it. Is is too late to join? If not, can I get all of the relevant info and links? I read the thread, but everything has been revised so much, I cant understand it.
Thanks