Clearly you are not at all for competitive deck list from your crying. If you just want to "conform to the meta" what the hell are you doing here? Go look at a top list and netdeck it. The point of the forum is to discuss what is working for you and how to deal with problems you might be facing in specific match ups or in your local meta to get a person the most wins.
A creature heavy version of the deck won't work all the time or in all metas. And this isn't simply "aggro zombies/jund". It is Jund Zombies, so a midrange build of the deck would still be acceptable to post here and better even if it somehow proves superior. We are trying to DEVELOP. If you want to just "conform" then netdeck and get lost.
Chilllll. Cool ya jets man!
Anyway, to everyone, why ultimate price? Seems too narrow :/ with all the black sources why isn't murder being played instead? I mean most lists have about 18 lands that produce black. So mana is obviously not the problem.. Is it because it costs 3? It seems like we are worried about stuff like thragtusk and resto angel and big stuff for the most part (all 4 drops or higher). But what about armada wurm and other multicolored stuff that's getting played? Wouldn't we want to establish early game turns 1-3 then just keep the board clear until we can drop an Aristocrat and alpha strike? I'm new to zombie and haven't done any testing yet so I'm still not sure what I'm supposed to do yet as I have absolutely no feeling for how to play the deck
What does everyone think about Hellrider instead of aristocrat? I don't understand aristocrat... Is it the ability to sacrifice creatures whenever you need to? Or that it becomes indestructible?
Vraska could be decent... We have no clue what the other 2/3 of the set looks like that could support her. I meant your point isn't valid because you're comparing a sorcery removal spell to a complex planeswalker... All planeswalkers (with the exception of JTMS) needs support in order to be above average.
It's a bad Maelstrom Pulse and it costs 5. That's bad, especially since it doesn't even fog. It's a bad Maelstrom Pulse that gains 2 life for 5 mana. That's terrible. And why would you not ignore her +1? Her ultimate is terrible. Feel free to try and ultimate her, I'll just kill you in the mean time. If at any point you do try to bad Maelstrom Pulse me, sure I'll kill her then.
This card is nothing like Maelstrom Pulse in any way... 2 completely different cards other than the color combination.
You do realize that that 5/5 and two 1/1 tokens turns into a 7/7 and two 3/3's IF they have no dorks on the field as well. Makes for much faster games.
It's not necessarily a "budget" deck, but I don't believe the answer is just to stick chase rares and money rares into the deck and "fix" it.
I meant that it may be good to mention you have a budget and what kind of budget you are on because this isn't try budget with griselbrandd. Absurd I know what craterhoof behemoth does. More than likely these things you referred to as "chase rares" are chase rares for a reason... They win games and help decks top 8. If you aren't looking for competitiveness and just fun then that's something completely different.
If I included red for Looting and Tibalt, it would be a different deck.
If someone Surgical's my Griselbrand, I'll win with Craterhoof or Lingering Souls beatdown.
Sun Titan = Not enough value targets.
Elesh Norn = No thanks, price tag.
Liliana = I'd love to run her, but again, price tag.
I'm just trying to make the deck better.. I didn't know this was the budget discussion forum. But you're not going to win many games with a 5/5 as some 1/1 flying tokens. Lingering souls is meant for early game blacking vs aggro. Shouldn't be considered a win condition outside of BW tokens. Even if you don't want to spend the money then I'd still have a variety of fatties and not 4 legendary Griselbrands.Espexially with as much dig as you have to put stuff in the yard.
Anyone ever considered Inquisitor's Flail? Before anyone else says it, yeah, it's an awful card. But equip it to Gisela and she hits for 20 first strike damage.
Seems interesting.. Maybe SB mirror tech! That'd be funny
Chilllll. Cool ya jets man!
Anyway, to everyone, why ultimate price? Seems too narrow :/ with all the black sources why isn't murder being played instead? I mean most lists have about 18 lands that produce black. So mana is obviously not the problem.. Is it because it costs 3? It seems like we are worried about stuff like thragtusk and resto angel and big stuff for the most part (all 4 drops or higher). But what about armada wurm and other multicolored stuff that's getting played? Wouldn't we want to establish early game turns 1-3 then just keep the board clear until we can drop an Aristocrat and alpha strike? I'm new to zombie and haven't done any testing yet so I'm still not sure what I'm supposed to do yet as I have absolutely no feeling for how to play the deck
4 gravecrawler
4 lotleth troll
4 dreg mangler
3 jarad
3 thragtusk
2 zealous conscripts
2 mizzium mortars
3 abrupt decay
2 tragic slip
1 dreadbore
1 rakdos' return
4 farseek
3 rancor
A fun zombie ish jund deck I whippe up yesterday. Haven't tested but its a solid rough draft I think
He's a 6/6
Vraska could be decent... We have no clue what the other 2/3 of the set looks like that could support her. I meant your point isn't valid because you're comparing a sorcery removal spell to a complex planeswalker... All planeswalkers (with the exception of JTMS) needs support in order to be above average.
This card is nothing like Maelstrom Pulse in any way... 2 completely different cards other than the color combination.
I meant that it may be good to mention you have a budget and what kind of budget you are on because this isn't try budget with griselbrandd. Absurd I know what craterhoof behemoth does. More than likely these things you referred to as "chase rares" are chase rares for a reason... They win games and help decks top 8. If you aren't looking for competitiveness and just fun then that's something completely different.
I'm just trying to make the deck better.. I didn't know this was the budget discussion forum. But you're not going to win many games with a 5/5 as some 1/1 flying tokens. Lingering souls is meant for early game blacking vs aggro. Shouldn't be considered a win condition outside of BW tokens. Even if you don't want to spend the money then I'd still have a variety of fatties and not 4 legendary Griselbrands.Espexially with as much dig as you have to put stuff in the yard.
Seems interesting.. Maybe SB mirror tech! That'd be funny
Oh oh ohhhhh ok!!