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  • posted a message on Your Opinion on Theme Decks, Intro Packs, and Planeswalker Decks When You Started Playing
    I want to know what is your opinion on theme decks, intro packs, and planeswalker decks at the time when you were a brand new player. As someone who really wished that WOTC just brought back Theme Decks, and hated it when they decided to replace Intro Packs with Planeswalker Decks, and hated it even more when they announced that Planeswalker decks are being replaced by Commander Decks, did you find that Theme Decks, Intro packs, and/or Planeswalker Decks were bad and not worth the purchase because you played with it, and find that you didn't like it, or did you find that it wasn't worth buying Theme Decks, Intro Packs, and/or Planeswalker Decks because someone else told you not to buy them?

    I bought so many Theme Decks, Intro Packs, and Planeswalker Decks because they are simple, cheap, and allows me to sample all the themes and mechanics of the set, although Planeswalker Decks do not do that as they have 2 instead of 4 or 5 per set, and thus only half the themes and mechanics of the set. I am not looking for a competitive product, and I am not looking to make the money back from my purchase. Do any of you say any MTG product is a bad one just because you can't sell the singles and make a profit, or because you get whooped at FNM? Is there anyone here who actually likes a MTG product without thinking about value and competitiveness?

    How many of you played the Magic Online free demo, where, at the time, they had the 5 core set intro packs, and all you could do was play against random strangers who also used one of these 5 core set intro packs? When you were a new player, did any of you enjoy playing Intro Pack vs Intro Pack?

    Here is why I really hate their decision to replace the Planeswalker Decks with Commander Decks. Imagine this scenario:


    Kid walks into LGS.

    Clerk: Hey Kid, what do you want to buy?

    Kid: I'm looking for a job.

    Clerk: Aren't you too young to get a job?

    Kid: I can sort cards and stock shelves.

    Clerk: Shouldn't you be playing Commander or something?

    Kid: Yeah, that's what I was trying to do.


    If you haven't noticed, LGS's sell Planeswalker Decks in the $10 to $20 range. I don't know about you, but a set of 5 Ikoria Commander Decks sell for over $200. I know that Gavin said that WOTC made this change because "everyone was playing Commander", and that new players would want to play what everyone else is playing, but that don't mean anything if each Commander Deck costs $50, at least in Canada, and in case you haven't noticed, that scenario above was based on a commercial from Canada.

    What WOTC really should have done was brought back Intro Packs, except keep the rarities of the Planeswalker Decks. Instead of the Intro Packs having 2 rares in them, they would have 1 mythic and 4 rares. The Mythic, which is no longer a Planeswalker, would be exclusive to the deck. 2 of the 4 rares are drawn from the set that it is associated with while the other 2 rares are 2 copies of a rare exclusive to the deck. There would be 3 copies of an exclusive uncommon and 4 copies of an exclusive common, much like what the Planeswalker Decks did with their exclusive cards. Each expansion set would have 4 Intro Packs, while Core Sets would have 5.

    The Intro Packs would include a code card that redeems the exact deck in MTG Arena. In MTG Arena, a new format would be created where the only decks that are legal are Intro Packs. When I redeemed a Planeswalker Deck on MTG Arena, I could edit it, but with Intro Packs, you can't edit it. You can, however, make a copy of the deck and edit the copy. This is to prevent anyone from losing the Intro Pack decklist that would be used to play in the Intro Pack format.

    I really believe that Intro Packs will sell more if they were tied to MTG Arena. I'm not saying that having Ikoria Commander is a bad thing, it is the act of replacing the Planeswalker Deck that is the bad thing. Heck, going from the 5 choices Intro Pack to the 2 choices Planeswalker Deck was already bad, but now instead of having the option to explore Ikoria via preconstructed decks by playing the regular rules, you have no choice but to shell out $230 for a set of 5 Commander Decks, just to explore the themes and mechanics of Ikoria by playing Commander. I view Ikoria Commander to be kind of like what the Eldraine Brawl Decks were, so they essentially discontinued the cheap set associated preconstructed deck option, rather than giving new players a cheap precon deck option that could be played on MTG Arena. What's worse is that MTG Arena doesn't support Commander, and unlike Planeswalker Decks, these set associated Commander Decks can't simply be brought into MTG Arena. Imagine trying to sample the Themes and Mechanics of Ikoria or Zendikar Rising on MTG Arena, but you can't because their preconstructed decks are Commander, and MTG Arena doesn't support Commander. Yeah sure, MTG Arena could technically have a set of 4 or 5 decks that samples the themes and mecahnics of Ikoria, but it would be more fun if there was a physical copy too, for those who want to experience the Intro Pack vs Intro Pack battle with physical cards.
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  • posted a message on [C20] Commander deck names
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    With the possible exception of Timeless Wisdom, these names scream enemy color pairs.


    i agree completely.

    my first thought was enemy color pairs, but timeless wisdom threw a wrench into that idea, however; orzhov has ghosts/spirits that sorta thing, so you could make the argument timeless wisdom has something to do with communing with the dead. it'd still be a bit of a stretch given more obvious words to use to relay that idea, but i could see it working if the deck is oriented around the graveyard.


    Nah man, Orzhov does not have Red, and Timeless Wisdom will most likely have Red in it. If not, explain to me why Timeless Wisdom is 4th one on the list, or why the 5 decks are ordered in the way that they are ordered?

    I'd say the Wisdom part makes it Blue, so the deck is Izzet. I also think Arcane Maelstrom is also Izzet. This leads me to believe the decks are going to be Wedge based, with Arcane Maelstrom having Green, and Timeless Wisdom having White in it.

    I will say this:

    Ruthless Regiment will most likely have White in it.
    Arcane Maelstrom will most likely have Blue in it.
    Symbiotic Swarm will most likely have Black in it.
    Timeless Wisdom will most likely have Red in it.
    Enhanced Evolution will most likely have Green in it.

    I am obsessed with precons so much that I know that whoever made that list of Commander 2020 Ikoria decks didn't just randomly just decide to order them as Ruthless Regiment, Arcane Maelstrom, Symbiotic Swarm, Timeless Wisdom, followed by Enhanced Evolution. That is to say if WOTC decides to color balance all 5 decks. Otherwise anything goes if they don't.

    I need to see the packaging for one other deck first before I can claim my prediction as true though. From the pictures of the packaging for Arcane Maelstrom, the 2nd one on the list, we know it is the Blue based deck. (Look at the sides of the packaging). I also believe that the packaging for the 5 decks will be color coded, and knowing that Timeless Wisdom is 4th on the list, the blue part in the Arcane Maelstrom packaging will be red in the Timeless Wisdom packaging, suggesting that Timeless Wisdom will have Red in it. The front of the packaging is red because the rest of the Ikoria products are red.


    Ruthless Regiment - r/w
    Arcane Maelstrom - r/u
    Symbiotic Swarm - b/g
    Timeless Wisdom - b/w
    Enhanced Evolution - g/u

    if they go full cycle with them, this is how i see it. ruthless regiment inspires militarism which is solidly in boros. arcane maelstrom evokes the idea of wild magic flying about which is pretty solidly izzet. symbiosis and swarms are solidly into golgari, its their thing. enhanced evolution also feels solidly simic given evolve and adapt. that leaves timeless wisdom as the wildcard but like i said before you could argue spirits bring the wisdom of their past lives - so communing with the dead - which is a very orzhov thing. i do agree the words wisdom and timeless inspires blue/white but wisdom does spill into white a little and timelessness is certainly a property of the dead.


    If that is true, then the list would have said:

    Timeless Wisdom
    Arcane Maelstrom
    Symbiotic Swarm
    Ruthless Regiment
    Enhanced Evolution

    We all know that this isn't true, and that Ruthless Regiment is first, and Timeless Wisdom is fourth. Orzhov doesn't have Red in it.

    If you look at every precon set that has 5 decks, in most cases, the fourth one listed always has Red in it. Exceptions being the Return to Ravnica block, because they are ordering the decks by the 10 guilds as a whole, rather than the 5 colors, and with Commander 2016, where they are ordering them by the color they lack. Even Shadowmoor and Eventide Theme decks have this pattern. WOTC may have established this pattern starting with Shadowmoor, or it could be Shards of Alara, where the order in which they list the decks determines what color will be in the deck.

    For Shadowmoor, in order, the decks are:

    Aura Mastery, has White
    Mortal Coil, has Blue
    Army of Entropy, has Black
    Overkill, has Red
    Turnabout, has Green

    For Eventide,

    Life Drain, has White
    Sidestep, has Blue
    Death March, has Black
    Battle Blitz, has Red
    Superabundance, had Green

    In order to determine the order of the decks, the packaging has some string of numbers. Using Core 2020 Planeswalker Decks for example, Ajani's deck has a string of numbers ending in 1, Yanling has a string of numbers ending in 2, Sorin has a string of numbers ending in 3, Chandra has a string of numbers ending in 4, and Vivien having a string of numbers ending in 5, with the string of numbers preceeding it being the same for all 5 decks. In another case, the last digit is 1 for all decks, as is with Theros Beyond Death Intro Packs:

    Elspeth Deck is 207C7403000001
    Ashiok Deck is 207C7404000001

    Elspeth Deck is Deck #1
    Ashiok Deck is Deck #2

    If the list is indeed the order of which the decks are ordered,

    Ruthless Regiment being Deck #1
    Arcane Maelstrom being Deck #2
    Symbiotic Swarm being Deck #3
    Timeless Wisdom being Deck #4
    Enhanced Evolution being Deck #5

    Ruthless Regiment must have White, Arcane Maelstrom must have Blue, Symbiotic Swarm must have Black, Timeless Wisdom must have Red, and Enhanced Evolution must have Green. From this knowledge I believe the 5 decks will be Wedge decks.

    Ruthless Regiment is Mardu
    Arcane Maelstrom is Temur
    Symbiotic Swarm is Abzan
    Timeless Wisdom is Jeskai
    Enhanced Evolution is Sultai

    New Phyrexia has a Intro Pack called Life for Death. You'd think because there is the word Life, it is White, and Death it is Black, thus making the deck White Black, but in reality the deck is Red White. The deck just so happens to be the fourth one on the list. Artful Destruction? It says destruction, so it's gotta have Red in it, right? Nope, White Green. Artful Destruction is also first on the list. The list being:

    Artful Destruction WG
    Devouring Skies UB
    Feast of Flesh BR
    Life For Death RW
    Ravaging Swarm GU

    One thing that is true in most cases where there is a 5 deck set is that the first deck in the list has White, 2nd one has Blue, 3rd one has Black, 4th deck has Red, 5th deck has Green.

    The names of the decks aren't the only thing that determines what colors are in the deck. You also have to look at the way they list the decks as well. The list sure ain't alphabetical.

    Speaking of alphabetical, in the WOTC site, back when 8th edition was a new thing, the decks were ordered as Expulsion, the Black deck, Heavy Hitters, the Green Deck, Life Boost, the White deck, Sky Slam, the blue deck, and Speed Scorch, the Red deck.

    From the packaging:
    Life Boost is Deck #1
    Sky Slam is Deck #2
    Expulsion is Deck #3
    Speed Scorch is Deck #4
    Heavy Hitters is Deck #5

    All I'm trying to say is, there is a reason why these list of 5 decks is in that specific order. Timeless Wisdom I believe to be Deck #4, because it is the fourth one on the list, and thus Timeless Wisdom must have Red in it. This is only true if the decks are a 5 deck set.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [C20] Commander deck names
    Quote from Xcric »
    With the possible exception of Timeless Wisdom, these names scream enemy color pairs.


    i agree completely.

    my first thought was enemy color pairs, but timeless wisdom threw a wrench into that idea, however; orzhov has ghosts/spirits that sorta thing, so you could make the argument timeless wisdom has something to do with communing with the dead. it'd still be a bit of a stretch given more obvious words to use to relay that idea, but i could see it working if the deck is oriented around the graveyard.


    Nah man, Orzhov does not have Red, and Timeless Wisdom will most likely have Red in it. If not, explain to me why Timeless Wisdom is 4th one on the list, or why the 5 decks are ordered in the way that they are ordered?

    I'd say the Wisdom part makes it Blue, so the deck is Izzet. I also think Arcane Maelstrom is also Izzet. This leads me to believe the decks are going to be Wedge based, with Arcane Maelstrom having Green, and Timeless Wisdom having White in it.

    I will say this:

    Ruthless Regiment will most likely have White in it.
    Arcane Maelstrom will most likely have Blue in it.
    Symbiotic Swarm will most likely have Black in it.
    Timeless Wisdom will most likely have Red in it.
    Enhanced Evolution will most likely have Green in it.

    I am obsessed with precons so much that I know that whoever made that list of Commander 2020 Ikoria decks didn't just randomly just decide to order them as Ruthless Regiment, Arcane Maelstrom, Symbiotic Swarm, Timeless Wisdom, followed by Enhanced Evolution. That is to say if WOTC decides to color balance all 5 decks. Otherwise anything goes if they don't.

    I need to see the packaging for one other deck first before I can claim my prediction as true though. From the pictures of the packaging for Arcane Maelstrom, the 2nd one on the list, we know it is the Blue based deck. (Look at the sides of the packaging). I also believe that the packaging for the 5 decks will be color coded, and knowing that Timeless Wisdom is 4th on the list, the blue part in the Arcane Maelstrom packaging will be red in the Timeless Wisdom packaging, suggesting that Timeless Wisdom will have Red in it. The front of the packaging is red because the rest of the Ikoria products are red.
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  • posted a message on [C20] Commander deck names
    I think Timeless Wisdom has Red in it. Why else would it be the fourth deck in the list?

    Name one situation where WOTC releases a 5 preconstructed deck set, starting with the Intro Packs, which was when they started doing the whole Color Pattern thing, where the fourth deck on the list of 5 does not have Red in it.

    The only exceptions are the Return to Ravnica Block intro packs, because the list of decks are based on the 10 guilds as a whole, and not the 5 colors. The order of Guilds would be Azorius, Orzhov, Dimir, Izzet, Rakdos, Golgari, Gruul, Boros, Selesnya, and then finally Simic. That is why the fourth intro pack is Golgari, considering the 3 before it were Azorius, Izzet, and Rakdos.

    The other exception is Commander 2016. The fourth deck in the list is the deck that has every other color but Red. Much like the fifth one on the list has every color but Green.

    I just think the 5 decks will simply be Wedges. Based on the Color Pattern, Ruthless Regiment must have White in it, and Black and Red also fit the name.

    Almost everyone thinks Arcane Maelstrom is Temur, so I'd go with that too.

    Symbiotic Swarm has got to be Black and Green.

    Timeless Wisdom, as I said, must have Red in it. The name fits Blue White, so I just think it will be Jeskai.

    Enhanced Evolution seems Green Blue.

    The 5 decks doesn't have to be all Wedges, maybe it can be a combination of Wedges and Enemy Pairs, but for color balance sakes, Symbiotic Swarm has White in it, while Enhanced Evolution has Black in it, to make them wedges.
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  • posted a message on [C20] Commander deck names
    Let me guess.

    Ruthless Regiment will have White in it. Mardu?
    Arcane Maelstrom will have Blue in it. Temur?
    Symbiotic Swarm will have Black in it. Abzan?
    Timeless Wisdom will have Red in it. Jeskai?
    Enhanced Evolution will have Green in it. Sultai?

    I don't think these names fit any of the Shard colors, or allied colors for that matter.

    All I know is one deck will have White in it, one will have Blue in it, one will have Black in it, one will have Red in it, and one will have Green in it.
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  • posted a message on A whole bunch of commander products coming.
    Still wish each set has 4 regular precon decks instead of ones for an alternate format.
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  • posted a message on [ELD] - Deluxe Edition
    Just think about it. This thing costs more than a brand new PS4 Pro.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Are Planeswalker Decks being discontinued?
    They just need to make a Theme Deck/Intro Pack/Planeswalker Deck/Whatever It Will Be Called format for MTG arena
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  • posted a message on Are Planeswalker Decks being discontinued?
    WOTC: The Planeswalker Decks will be replaced with... Theme Decks. To eliminate waste, the packaging will simply be a shrink wrapped deck inside a shrink wrapped deck box. Each display comes with 12 decks, 4 kinds, 3 copies per kind.

    Me: AWWWW YEAAAAAHHHHH!!!! WOOOOOOOOO!!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Now only if they got rid of the Core Set Planeswalker Decks and replaced them with Theme Decks too.

    [After buying Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths Theme Decks, and opening one of them, and looking at the strategy insert]

    Me: No decklist? NO!!! NO!!! SCREW YOU WOTC!!! FIRE THE STAFF! CLEAN HOUSE!

    All I know is that this new product better be an actual fixed 60-card preconstructed deck, and must come in a set of 4.

    Is there any reason why the Core Set Planeswalker Decks must be 2 per set instead of 5 like it was in the more recent 2 Core Sets? Will this new product also be released for Core Sets alongside the Planeswalker deck, which is why they might have decreased the 5 Planeswalker Deck to 2?

    As the main set associated precon (I view them as all one continuous product being renamed and changed, rather than discontinued and a new product replacing it),

    Theme Decks 1997-2008, 11 years
    Intro Packs 2008-2016, 8 years
    Planeswalker Decks 2016-2019, 3 1/2 years

    Considering how well received the Planeswalker Decks were over the Intro Pack, kind of weird those only lasted 3 years. Must be that they aren't getting more money from those who like to buy all the precons in the set, because they are releasing 2 per set instead of 4 or 5.
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  • posted a message on Are Planeswalker Decks being discontinued?
    They should just bring back Theme Decks, except it costs a couple bucks more that it was back when they released Theme Decks, and to justify the cost, have 3 rares, maybe 5 rares, and have one of them be a foil creature card, kind of like intro packs, but unlike intro packs, they are built for people who already know the basics, and is basically a deck that you can build off of, not something to replace, because it sucks.
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  • posted a message on Are Planeswalker Decks being discontinued?
    Whatever is going to replace Planeswalker decks, better have 4 kinds per set, and better cost under $15.

    I do wish that it wasn't brawl decks that replaced Planeswalker decks though. The precons have to be built with regular MTG in mind that showcases the themes and mechanics of the set.

    They should just bring back Theme Decks, and release 4 per set (5 for core sets), except it would cost a couple bucks more and have 3 rares instead of 2.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Are Planeswalker Decks being discontinued?
    I looked at the product descriptions for each of the sets released in 2020, and Theros Beyond Death has the usual display of 6 Planeswalker decks, 2 kinds, 3 copies each.

    Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths and Zendikar Rising did not mention anything about Planeswalker Decks.
    https://wpn.wizards.com/en/products/ikoria-lair-behemoths
    https://wpn.wizards.com/en/products/zendikar-rising

    Core 2021 product description says that the Planeswalker Deck displays come with 10 decks, 2 kinds, 5 copies each, instead of 5 kinds, 2 copies each, like in the Core 2019 and Core 2020 Planeswalker Deck displays.
    https://wpn.wizards.com/en/products/core-set-2021

    Are Planeswalker Decks being discontinued, replaced with a new product, or the information on the WPN site is just wrong?
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Next 4 sets + other mechanic from eldraine
    I was looking up the product description for Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths, and Zendikar, and there isn't any Planeswalker Decks, or any precon of any kind. I also looked at the product description for Core Set 2021, and instead of having a Planeswalker Deck display consisting of 5 different decks, 2 copies each, like in 2019 and 2020, it now contains 2 different decks, 5 copies each.

    Is this a mistake, or are Planeswalker Decks being limited to only Core Sets now?
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  • posted a message on Garruk the feature character in Core 2021?
    Hey, if we got a repeat of M13 and M14, mind as well do a repeat of M15.
    Posted in: Baseless Speculation
  • posted a message on Garruk the feature character in Core 2021?
    If Nicol Bolas is the feature character in Core 2019, and Chandra is the feature character in Core 2020, does this mean that Garruk will be the feature character in Core 2021, and the Summer 2023 set will be called Magic Origins 2: Electric Boogaloo, and then we will once again have core sets be discontinued by 2024?

    If the next 3 sets after Core 2019, that features Nicol Bolas, takes place on Ravnica, then does it mean that the next 3 sets, that comes after Core 2020, that features Chandra, takes place on Theros, and the next 3 sets after Core 2021 takes place on Tarkir?
    Posted in: Baseless Speculation
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