Quote from Woltitolt »After just finisching my Elves list on paper last year I'm pretty bumped out about the fact I have to change my whole deck.. Probably even leave black altogether and go mono green?
Quote from amalek0 »Idk. Jund might get a kick overall. Your discard and removal probably let you continue to beat up on fair decks, and unfair decks lost some speed/stability without probe. I would think you just consider some scavaging oozes and otherwise business as usual.
Quote from Teia Rabishu »This is some real reactionary, Modern-tier banning philosophy right here.
Quote from toffee »Hi mates,
I'm an italian player and after the ban of my favourite legacy deck, Miracles, I decided to choose Jund in Modern and Legacy.
I've never played Jund, but with some local tournaments I made nice results with this list:
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4 Verdant Catacombs2 Bloodstained Mire2 Wooded Foothills4 Grove of the Burnwillows3 Wasteland3 Badlands2 Bayou2 Swamp1 Forest4 Deathrite Shaman4 Dark Confidant4 Tarmogoyf3 Bloodbraid Elf4 Abrupt Decay3 Punishing Fire3 Lightning Bolt1 Kolaghan's Command4 Hymn to Tourach3 Thoughtseize1 Sylvan Library4 Liliana of the VeilSIDEBOARD2 Duress2 Faerie Macabre2 Pyroblast1 Red Elemental Blast1 Kolaghan's Command1 Surgical Extraction1 Toxic Deluge1 Diabolic Edict1 Golgari Charm1 Choke1 Pithing Needle1 Grafdigger's Cage
I play 61 cards because "I NEED MORE POWER" !! Kolaghan's Command is one of my favourite cards and, in addition, I consider Bloodbraid less powerful now.
I don't play Fatal Push because I don't want to cast it with the Cascade ability of BBElf.
Instead of the 3th BBElf, maybe I'll test Garruk Relentless or Chandra, Torch of Defiance. What do u think about them? So, and BBElf now?
About removal spells, I've found a fantastic equilibrium. I don't think to change any removals in my deck.
About the sideboard, my metagame is full of blue-decks, Grixis delver/control, bug levold/delver, team america, some reanimator, death&taxes, ant.
Thank you so much for your reply and sorry for my bad english!
Quote from hdyer »Since top has gotten banned, there has been a lot of talk about a DRS ban, how would this affect our deck?
Quote from jshrwd »Thanks to both of you! Out of curiosity, have either of you ever heard of that Math 'n' Stuff place? Seemed like a weird inclusion in that list.
Quote from FlyingDelver »What do you think about the infect MU? I've seen infect being present in my meta, so I'd like to know
Quote from FlyingDelver »I am actually inspired by your list, which I found on MTGgoldfish, it seems straightforward and I like 2 copies of Sylvan Library. I think I want to start by playing only 3 Wastelands at the beginning, because I don't know how much Blood Moon I am going to face.
Quote from FlyingDelver »I want to start with a diverse and basic sideboard, so that means some -1/-1, some GY hate, some Enchantment and Artifact destruction, some extra discard and choke against blue stuff, Pithing needle as a versatile slot, but I am not sure about the ooze, isn't it too slow in legacy?
What would you put in the extra 2 slots in the SB, extra GY hate, Null Rod?
Quote from FlyingDelver »Is it ok to play 4 basics, or is it too much? I can surely go up to 4 wastelands any time, just thought I start by dodging Blood Moon/Wasteland a bit more, don't know how present Blood Moon in legacy is though.
Quote from drmarkb »No, it was broken, that is why they have taken action. They don't ban cards now that are not the highest quality now, and they do not ban lightly. It was stupidly good and meant that every delver deck was grixis, and meant 4c control was always the same.
There will not be another pile... A 4c deck that runs blood moon in a wasteland format? No chance. It will be 3col at best and wasteland/crucible will work again, Reanimator will get better game ones. UR delver is very different, it is burn with fow. Rug is Rug delver, it plays very differently to grixis and the ban will mean a variety of delver decks, not just grixis.
I am curious to know what you think Legacy's issues are.
Quote from Seymour_TUBES »
Gah. It's beginning to seem like maybe the collateral damage from this ban might outweigh the benefits. I wonder how many decks will adjust and how many will just wither and die.
I hope the meta doesn't go to *****.
Quote from IronPlushy »This is even more proof that eternal players don't have more skill. You'll show up at a standard tournament with a tier 1 bant company deck and think you won't be annihilated with a 1 turn combo kill.
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Only bad players blame luck when we all know pros that are consistently successful at limited which is suppose to be the most luck intensive format.
Quote from IronPlushy »Legacy players think they're special little snowflakes and tapping a turn 1 land wrong loses the match but they can't come down to modern or standard and perform with any kind of skill.
All the formats take skill and operate very differently, it's just eternal players need to feel special and justify their thousands of dollars spent to themselves.
Quote from Ebonclaw »See, I don't play Legacy to justify the expenditure of my deck, I don't need to.
Quote from ashley25746 »3) Legacy's consistency makes it easier to play in my mind. It seems like delver can always brainstorm/ponder into FOW/daze, flip the delver and go. It can run on 2 mana if it has to. Modern has no brainstorm to grab what you need every time and it has no FOW to act as a free panic button.
Quote from IronPlushy »No combo in Standard? Well someone should have told me to stop winning with Brain on the Shore...
If you show up to a local legacy or modern tournament you're going to face the same exact decks week to week because the format is cost prohibitive.
Quote from IronPlushy »Never said all pros were good at limited, I'm saying there are high level players consistently good at limited while high level constructed players often falter in limited.
No combo in Standard? Well someone should have told me to stop winning with Brain on the Shore...This is even more proof that eternal players don't have more skill. You'll show up at a standard tournament with a tier 1 bant company deck and think you won't be annihilated with a 1 turn combo kill.
The thing with standard is you can't be good with just one deck like in modern and legacy, to be a top tier standard player you need to be familiar with all the decks, and play the right one well at a given tournament. Playing the metagame is an important part of standard. If you show up to a local legacy or modern tournament you're going to face the same exact decks week to week because the format is cost prohibitive. If you go to a bigger event the lack of support means the last big legacy tournament might have been months ago with no idea what metagame you'll fight. Standard the metagame changes week to week and if you want to succeed at the highest levels you have to capitalize on it instead of playing the same deck every week.
Quote from ashley25746 »or they are people borrowing a deck from a friend, or they're new to their deck and therefore otherwise not skilled.