EBWODP:
If Hans is lynched and he flips scum, I think Kosa is a prime Day 2 lynch target.
Also, a note on jonpike... he was one of the very last people to confirm, for what that's worth.
I don't like that you're trying to set up chain lynches here. I'll admit that I have a bad habit of doing that myself sometimes, but not on Day 1.
Here is my thought process:
If Hans flips scum, the question becomes why did he latch onto Kosa?
I don't think the motivation would be to buddy up with a Townie... AE already had built up a lot of suspicion toward Kosa at that point. I don't see where scum would benefit from a buddy link to him.
The more realistic explanation IMO would be to try to bail out a fellow scum.
Calm, collected and crafted just doesn't feel anything like previous Town!Kosas, and the simplest explanation is that he's scum, and cares about how his posts look to others.
Bluh.
If Hans is lynched and he flips scum, I think Kosa is a prime Day 2 lynch target.
Also, a note on jonpike... he was one of the very last people to confirm, for what that's worth.
I thought that my fallacious logic and nifty emoticon made it blatantly obvious that I was being sarcastic. I guess not.
My town reading of Kosa was meant solely to be a joke; I saw his comment and thought that it would a be humorous thing to ask him about. I find it hilarious that you read so far into this and think of it as a serious attempt to "clear a scum buddy."
I mentioned before that I didn't like the exchange between Hans and Kosa, and I don't like this explanation at all. If your town reading of Kosa was meant to be a joke as you said, why did you bail on him? If that really is the case, then you literally have contributed nothing in terms of trying to out scum.
Also, Kosa blew it off, but I don't care for Hans's over-use of laughing and emoticons. It seems like a forced attempt to come off as nonchalant and carefree. The context of his limited interaction on the thread smells too scummy. I'm sold.
I'm voting for TCM right now because of reasons I have already stated.
Also, TCM totally misrepped my post #209. My post on EtR's activity in the thread had nothing to do with his limited posting. While discussing Kosa's alignment, it came up that it was not him, but EtR, who first mentioned Shark's RVS-breaking habits. Someone asked if EtR had pursued it any further than that, and I responded with 209 to confirm that he had not.
As for Generic, he has not responded to the questions I posed to him, although he has responded to others who have posted after. I proposed some very valid points in #243 and I'd like to see them addressed. I had a null to slightly-town read on him earlier in the game, and am reluctant to join his wagon when I am not yet sure whether to attribute his actions to scum mentality or getting overly emotional from frustration.
You guys can call me whatever works for you... DK, DKings, etc.
I also noticed TCM asking why my vote is for him... I extrapolated on this earlier, but will post again for focus. His initial vote on Hawk seemed arbitrary but forceful. More importantly, I didn't like his lengthy post berating the spammy-ness of the game and acting as though it was beneath him to read all of it. Maybe that's part of his "style" that Rhand alluded to in #277, but it seems really similar to some scum play from an experienced player that I've read in another recent game.
but you all assume i am telling the truth. I have to wonder why i am having to say this openly to stop this endless 'concern' that i have weakened the town by revealing im VT.
Which is it, are the ones still badgering me about this so vehemently without ever declaring me scum or voting for me really so dense as to not consider other alternatives than i am telling the absolute truth and have delieberately aimed to sabotage the town even though nothing detrimental has come of my claim AT ALL...
Why has no one latched on to this yet?
Generic claims VT under minimal pressure, then drops not-so-subtle hints that he is actually a PR when pushed some more. He is definitely hitting the panic button. The question becomes why... I for one do not believe he is a VT playing poorly. So is it because he really is a town PR and is cracking under pressure because he fears a mislynch is in his immediate future, or is it because he is scum and knows the heat is about to get turned up?
I will play this game for as long as im still active, i have no intentions of being the number 1 choice for night kill because i am never seen as supertownie on day 1 anyway. So why would a mafia team witnessing the rest of you considering me the most untownie townie in the game as the best lynch option?
I feel the need to discuss this part of your post for a minute.
You are basically acknowledging that scum does not want to see an "easy out" die early.
That very logic can be applied to posts 98 and 99, where you immediately came to take the heat off me, an inexperienced player, as soon as EtR and Misting put my name in the vote column.
I'm also interested in hearing your response to my other question... why have you dared us to lynch you twice? Shouldn't their own lynch be the absolute last thing any townie wants?
@ Taredas: To AE's credit, he backed off a little bit on Kosa once it was pointed out that EtR was actually the first player to comment on Shark's RVS-breaking habits. I don't much care for his support of TCM's lengthy post though, a post which came off as scummy. This game is certainly not on track to break any records for length or post count, so why can he not be bothered to read the thread? Based on some other specific things I have seen that cannot be commented on right now per the rules, this comes off as a red flag.
@ Generic: You're taking that way too personally. Why do you keep essentially daring us to lynch you? That's the second time you have done that.
#5 - Post about Shark breaking RVS
#10 - Direct response to Shark, acknowledging his apparent breaking of RVS
#94 - Jumped on me for coming off self-conscious
#98 & 102 - Justifies #94
#131 - Tells Voxx that he is not scum
That's it. I had a town read on him so far, but it looks plausible that he baited Shark into shenanigans.
I thought nothing of it... didn't put the role claim 2+2 together, and actually figured the post as a whole was an inside joke referring to a past game.
The comment underneath Kosa's name implies that he would be happy if he was mafia, so I asked him what kind of mood he was in. His response showed that he was quite frustrated, and frustration is not typically associated with happiness. Therefore, I was able to label him town because, if he was mafia, he would have picked a happier emotion to describe his mood.
This seems very contrived... although Kosa did bring attention to his own title. Hmm.
Also, side note/question for all, is there a specific way to go to a certain post number, or do you just have to go to the page it is on and find it?
I'm suspicious of Misting from the way he questioned my earlier posts in a less-than-subtle manner, yet waited to vote until EtR got the ball rolling and then immediately jumped on the wagon.
Hawk I have no read on, but I really dislike both of TCM's posts so far and I don't know why he would go after Hawk early if he were bussing.
Here is my thought process:
If Hans flips scum, the question becomes why did he latch onto Kosa?
I don't think the motivation would be to buddy up with a Townie... AE already had built up a lot of suspicion toward Kosa at that point. I don't see where scum would benefit from a buddy link to him.
The more realistic explanation IMO would be to try to bail out a fellow scum.
If Hans is lynched and he flips scum, I think Kosa is a prime Day 2 lynch target.
Also, a note on jonpike... he was one of the very last people to confirm, for what that's worth.
I mentioned before that I didn't like the exchange between Hans and Kosa, and I don't like this explanation at all. If your town reading of Kosa was meant to be a joke as you said, why did you bail on him? If that really is the case, then you literally have contributed nothing in terms of trying to out scum.
Also, Kosa blew it off, but I don't care for Hans's over-use of laughing and emoticons. It seems like a forced attempt to come off as nonchalant and carefree. The context of his limited interaction on the thread smells too scummy. I'm sold.
Unvote, vote Hansanator
Care to elaborate?
I'm voting for TCM right now because of reasons I have already stated.
Also, TCM totally misrepped my post #209. My post on EtR's activity in the thread had nothing to do with his limited posting. While discussing Kosa's alignment, it came up that it was not him, but EtR, who first mentioned Shark's RVS-breaking habits. Someone asked if EtR had pursued it any further than that, and I responded with 209 to confirm that he had not.
As for Generic, he has not responded to the questions I posed to him, although he has responded to others who have posted after. I proposed some very valid points in #243 and I'd like to see them addressed. I had a null to slightly-town read on him earlier in the game, and am reluctant to join his wagon when I am not yet sure whether to attribute his actions to scum mentality or getting overly emotional from frustration.
You guys can call me whatever works for you... DK, DKings, etc.
Why has no one latched on to this yet?
Generic claims VT under minimal pressure, then drops not-so-subtle hints that he is actually a PR when pushed some more. He is definitely hitting the panic button. The question becomes why... I for one do not believe he is a VT playing poorly. So is it because he really is a town PR and is cracking under pressure because he fears a mislynch is in his immediate future, or is it because he is scum and knows the heat is about to get turned up?
I feel the need to discuss this part of your post for a minute.
You are basically acknowledging that scum does not want to see an "easy out" die early.
That very logic can be applied to posts 98 and 99, where you immediately came to take the heat off me, an inexperienced player, as soon as EtR and Misting put my name in the vote column.
I'm also interested in hearing your response to my other question... why have you dared us to lynch you twice? Shouldn't their own lynch be the absolute last thing any townie wants?
@ Generic: You're taking that way too personally. Why do you keep essentially daring us to lynch you? That's the second time you have done that.
EtR's entire history in this game:
#5 - Post about Shark breaking RVS
#10 - Direct response to Shark, acknowledging his apparent breaking of RVS
#94 - Jumped on me for coming off self-conscious
#98 & 102 - Justifies #94
#131 - Tells Voxx that he is not scum
That's it. I had a town read on him so far, but it looks plausible that he baited Shark into shenanigans.
I thought nothing of it... didn't put the role claim 2+2 together, and actually figured the post as a whole was an inside joke referring to a past game.
This seems very contrived... although Kosa did bring attention to his own title. Hmm.
Also, side note/question for all, is there a specific way to go to a certain post number, or do you just have to go to the page it is on and find it?
I'm suspicious of Misting from the way he questioned my earlier posts in a less-than-subtle manner, yet waited to vote until EtR got the ball rolling and then immediately jumped on the wagon.
Hawk I have no read on, but I really dislike both of TCM's posts so far and I don't know why he would go after Hawk early if he were bussing.