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  • posted a message on [NEO] Saga art of the day 5 — The Dragon-Kami Reborn
    Thought I'd cross-post this from the Magic Storyline sub-forum since this discovery undermines the credibility of the Saga narrator(s):

    Quote from Lectrys »

    Read that story. Then read the OG Kamigawa block's previous stories mentioning Jugan ("The Dragon Shield", "The Last Visitor").

    Those stories consistently mention that Jugan is male.

    Only a few, often mutually contradictory conclusions I can make as to why this is the case:
    • The ritual to resurrect Jugan changed Jugan's gender (this is inconsistent with "The Dragon-Kami Reborn"'s "While she had lain dead")
    • Jugan can change his/her gender as s/he sees fit
    • The narrator of "The Dragon-Kami Reborn" did not do their gender pronoun research well enough
    • The narrators of the OG Kamigawa block stories did not do their gender pronoun research well enough

    Given the (at least seeming) retcon of the Sisters of Flesh and Spirit, I'm the most willing to believe my third conclusion. The narrator(s) of these Sagas is/are looking more and more unreliable by the minute....
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  • posted a message on NEO- Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    Now we get the story of how the dragons got reincarnated

    https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/dragon-kami-reborn-2022-01-17

    Turns out Jugan got resurrected by the orochi ritual she co-op'd with ryusei to stop the omi

    then she put the 3 other dragons fragments including herself and ryusei in a egg to play the role of a time capsule and hatch 50 years in the future


    I guess since she’s the smartest one now it’s a absolute disgrace she was the worst one of the OG cycle.

    though be prepared Jugan incarnation has rainbow scales so she’s probably gonna get a 5C legend loophole

    Read that story. Then read the OG Kamigawa block's previous stories mentioning Jugan ("The Dragon Shield", "The Last Visitor").

    Those stories consistently mention that Jugan is male.

    Only a few, often mutually contradictory conclusions I can make as to why this is the case:
    • The ritual to resurrect Jugan changed Jugan's gender (this is inconsistent with "The Dragon-Kami Reborn"'s "While she had lain dead")
    • Jugan can change his/her gender as s/he sees fit
    • The narrator of "The Dragon-Kami Reborn" did not do their gender pronoun research well enough
    • The narrators of the OG Kamigawa block stories did not do their gender pronoun research well enough

    Given the (at least seeming) retcon of the Sisters of Flesh and Spirit, I'm the most willing to believe my third conclusion. The narrator(s) of these Sagas is/are looking more and more unreliable by the minute....
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  • posted a message on [NEO] art from the story building panel
    Quote from soramaro »
    Edit: I'm still kind of curious how the people that are fine with the DJ art would react to a card art featuring a weapon that is, in terms of outward appearance, a real-world glock, but shoots little fireballs instead of bullets ... and its user is wearing some big pauldron fantasy armor.

    I'd probably end up being fine about and silent regarding that, too. ...I'm still predicting phonographs in New Capenna.

    (It might be all that Nintendo video games influencing me towards being tolerant in general, what with the Mario series letting Mario use PDAs and go to space without a spacesuit yet also fight dragons and evil alien androids (I personally think the Mario-verse is essentially modern-day with some fantasy and sci-fi elements) and the Kirby series involving cellphones, shower caps, more dragons and robots, ghosts, high-tech spaceships, cheap space travel without spacesuits (implied to already be available for cheap centuries to even millennia ago), and even space wizards and space wizard-knights (I personally think the Kirby-verse is more schizo-tech science fantasy).)

    On another topic, as much as I'm willing to joke about the latest Sylvan Safekeeper art being of a weaponless wizard non-warrior in full plate armour, at least Wizards isn't following the usual wizard clothing trope there, right?
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  • posted a message on NEO- Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty
    So technically Wizards has only said that the current emperor of Kamigawa is a "familiar face", which means that both the Wanderer and Azusa could be candidates.

    We still need to consider the Wanderer and the emperor not being one and the same, but we also need to explain the War of the Spark-era fiction also saying that the Wanderer wears a "golden mask" at least some of the time, has a history with Tezzeret, wields a sword with cool, possibly high-tech properties, is "one of the most efficient and...deadly warriors...on any plane" (source is the Tolarian Community College preview video), and is a fairly good tracker.

    We also have confirmation that the emperor was attacked at least one year ago by a "man with a metal arm" and was witnessed disappearing, and that Himoto, the Kami of the Spark, was born at around the time and scene of the attack. Himoto is strongly speculated in-universe to be a symbol of the bond between the emperor and Kyodai.

    With that evidence, I find it easier to believe that the Wanderer is the emperor and is also not Azusa - the emperor likely got attacked by Tezzeret, seems to have planeswalked off Kamigawa, probably has better access to high-tech, high-quality weaponry than the average person, also probably has better access to weapons training and desire to train with weapons than a peaceful monk wanderer depicted as weaponless like Azusa, and would have better reason to develop tracking abilities than a Jukai monk would. ...I guess we can assume, from the Wanderer's recent golden, possibly teched-out garb, that the Wanderer just likes her masks golden.

    ...I guess it's somewhat believable that the Wanderer could be an older planeswalker Azusa made more cynical and very good at defending herself, who also got attacked by Tezzeret and figured tracking was her new hobby.

    What I believe the least is that Azusa is the emperor, regardless of whether the emperor is the Wanderer.


    Given the recent reminder of unreliable narration and incomplete sourcing being common enough in regards to Kamigawa (e.g. the Toshiro Umezawa Saga story saying that Toshiro keeps being referred to as "noble" and "self-sacrificing" when he is not and the narrator will freely admit that, the older Kentaro, the Smiling Cat story implying that Kentaro's rehabilitation of samurai fired by their superiors for no good reason is not known to the general Kamigawa populace, with that populace only hearing about Kentaro's habit of killing such samurai and other ronin and ochimusha), I'm wondering how long Jin-Gitaxias has been reality hacking at Kamigawa, whether the Saga stories are being told during the present day and whether those stories would have been the same before the emperor got attacked, and whether Jin-Gitaxias's actions are scrambling up the Kamigawans' memories of the past to grossly inaccurate degrees.
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  • posted a message on [NEO] Saga art of the day 3 — Michiko's Reign of Truth (story actually tells something we didn't know before about kamigawa)
    Quote from Caranthir »
    Quote from Lectrys »
    Is it just me, or is Wizards retconning the Sisters of Flesh and Spirit?


    Either that, or pulling our leg to prepare for a big revelation that Michiko is the Wanderer.

    That's a distinct possibility I'm still considering - that Michiko ascended as a member of the Sisters of Flesh and Spirit instead of actually dying and the Saga writer and their sources never picked up on that.

    (Reminds me of one of my head-canons for a different game series, where the historians and genealogists picked up that one of their society's greatest heroes had allies who learned under him and/or co-founded an organization with him that still survives today, but never realized that the hero's allies were all his friends and the hero doted on them.)
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  • posted a message on NEO- Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty
    Quote from Caranthir »
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    Next short story
    https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/michikos-reign-truth-2022-01-13

    The short story on how michiko ended the war

    It something is really really important

    michiko……is dead

    She was not immortal when bonded with kyodai.

    and on top of that she didn't want to be emperor and we already suspected the wanderer is…

    it might also mean the wanderer and and michiko are not the same person

    That’s why kyodai was alone on the leaked card the other half is dead.


    The article is a pile of utter crap. Contradicting what we knew about her. Or a very brazen retcon.

    For Christ's sake... she was SEEN with Kyodai during the fight of Bolas and Leshrac in Future Sight, barring the way to the world.

    Not so long ago, about 1000 years after the Kami War.

    EDIT: Future Sight, page 242/243


    That section is actually a lot more ambiguous about who is with Kyodai (or technically whether Kyodai is even among them):

    Two fierce women appeared between him and the realm, armed with spears and long, powerful bows. They were almost twins, identical in nearly all ways beneath their resplendent armor. The one to his left had the aspect of a serpent, sharp and quick and deadly, while the other bore herself with the solemn dignity of a queen.

    They crossed their spears between them and spoke in unison. "We are the guardians of this place. You are not welcome here. Begone."

    Note the paragraphs not naming either woman at all, just letting them outline their occupations.

    I recall the MTG Wiki being pretty definitive that Michiko became part spirit as a member of the Sisters of Flesh and Spirit - what are that article's other sources?


    The image of Kyodai on the leaked card sure as heck looks like a dragon spirit and not a human, implying that Kyodai can shapeshift. ...Maybe, just maybe, Kyodai prefers shifting into the form of the current emperor?
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  • posted a message on [NEO] Saga art of the day 3 — Michiko's Reign of Truth (story actually tells something we didn't know before about kamigawa)
    Is it just me, or is Wizards retconning the Sisters of Flesh and Spirit?
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [NEO] art from the story building panel
    Quote from Lectrys »


    In short, because of these such flavour-strong promotional vibes, I fear Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty will similarly not be a powerful set (I'd estimate Crimson Vow levels of not-powerful), at least when it comes to Modern and up. We only perceive Throne of Eldraine as powerful - and arguably, so does Wizards - because Oko, Thief of Crowns and Once Upon a Time are ban-worthy levels of jacked. Drop them from consideration and Emry, Lurker of the Loch feels like the most powerful remaining card for a mile, with everything behind her being interchangeable role players at best (and often even being interchangeable in practice in tournament results - Drown in the Loch is enjoying one hell of a heyday right now, but that card has perennially disappointed me a la Prismatic Ending and Portable Hole due to repeatedly failing when you want hard removal the most). ...OK, Brazen Borrower and Bonecrusher Giant have solid niches in Cascade decks, but Brazen Borrower's body often hasn't felt like it's worth a card, and Bonecrusher Giant has proven itself to be interchangeable (with stuff like Seasoned Pyromancer and Dead // Gone) even in Cascade decks.

    I fear such emphasis on flavour in the promotional phase is hiding a lack of power and tournament impact in the release phase.


    Did you really just use Throne of Eldraine as an example of a not powerful set. Because it's only got two cards banned in modern? I get that Modern Horizons 1/2 have changed expectations of how many cards a new set needs to feed into eternal formats, but come on.





    Yes, I did. I remember not being able to believe Wizards's repeated statements that Throne of Eldraine was a powerful set.

    I'm more used to the Modern+ feed rate of sets like Return to Ravnica (at least 12 cards saw fairly solid play: Ethereal Armor, Rest in Peace, Abrupt Decay, Counterflux, Detention Sphere, Firemind's Foresight, Goblin Electromancer, Izzet Staticaster, Slaughter Games, Sphinx's Revelation, Supreme Verdict, Deathrite Shaman) and Ravnica Allegiance (at least 9 cards saw somewhat solid play: Benthic Biomancer, Electrodominance, Light Up the Stage, Skewer the Critics, Cindervines, Deputy of Detention, Growth Spiral, Kaya, Orzhov Usurper, Lavinia, Azorius Renegade).

    Admittedly, Throne of Eldraine does look somewhat like Ixalan at least gut feeling-wise (at least 12 cards saw at least fringe play or up in Modern+: Settle the Wreckage, Tocatli Honor Guard, Chart a Course, Dive Down, Entrancing Melody, Kitesail Freebooter, Rampaging Ferocidon, Carnage Tyrant, Kumena's Speaker, Shapers' Sanctuary, Hostage Taker, Search for Azcanta, Sorcerous Spyglass). By that same, more generous standard, I'd say at least 41 cards from Throne of Eldraine saw at least fringe play or up in Modern+: Oko, Thief of Crowns, Once Upon a Time, Emry, Lurker of the Loch, All That Glitters, Charming Prince, Deafening Silence, Giant Killer, Brazen Borrower, Bonecrusher Giant, Hushbringer, Corridor Monitor, Into the Story, Merfolk Secretkeeper, Drown in the Loch, Mystical Dispute, Claim the Firstborn, Witching Well, Cauldron Familiar, Murderous Rider, Wishclaw Talisman, Irencrag Feat, Fires of Invention, Embercleave, Merchant of the Vale, Feasting Troll King, Gilded Goose, Questing Beast, Trail of Crumbs, Escape to the Wilds, Grumgully, the Generous, The Royal Scions, Gingerbrute, Stonecoil Serpent, Witch's Oven, all 5 Castle cards, Dwarven Mine, and Mystic Sanctuary. ...OK, that's more than I thought, and I should have remembered that Mystic Sanctuary is ban-worthy good.

    I definitely cut out all the fringe cards from my Modern+ counts in my 2nd paragraph's sets, though (e.g. Mizzium Skin, Izzet Charm). I suspect their numbers would bloat to at least the 20s if I counted fringe cards.

    And then there's the tricky topic of sets with massively bloated Modern+-play counts like Ikoria (Companion cards and Triomes are contributing) and Zendikar Rising (modal DFCs are contributing).
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  • posted a message on Three 2 cmc cards leaked for kamigawa neon dynasty (light paws, a vehicle, and a kami/spirit)
    Cascade triggers on cast and cheats an additional spell onto the stack whenever it triggers. Cascade is also a nightmare for counterspell-heavy decks.


    Good point on Cascade. But I believe everybody agree it's a broken mechanic and that we would never see in Standard again. It's pretty much on storm and dredge levels of degeneracy.

    Cascade is gloriously broken, but the last set it got a new card in was the fairly recent Modern Horizons 2. Even if Cascade (justifiably) never reaches Standard again, Wizards has shown that it is consistently not afraid to print new Cascade cards.
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  • posted a message on NEO- Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty
    Quote from cyberium_neo »
    Quote from Lectrys »
    Quote from cyberium_neo »
    "Perhaps some familiar faces still reside on the Plane, remembering him after all this time . . . or even carrying on his family name."

    That means Satoru may simply be someone who borrowed Umezawa's name to reform the Hyozan Reckoners, consider Toshiro's true heir is on Dominaria.

    I think it's more likely that Satoru is a descendant of one of Toshiro's relatives.


    While plausible, it's too much of a convenient writing to suddenly have a Umezawa relative in the story. It's more convincing if someone simply borrowed his name as a rally banner. You know, like some Skywalker we know.

    Also, excluding Okinawan is really equestionable.

    I consider convenient relatives who share last names to be really plausible given that one of my uncles (by marriage) and Jackie Chan share the same last name (at least in English). My uncle and Jackie Chan being (incredibly distant) relatives seems plausible.

    I also don't think Toshiro was the only black-aligned scoundrel in the family. Satoru seems like he continues that greater family line...or profession.

    I do realize that Toshiro was a co-founder of the Hyozan Reckoners, but I do find it likely that a sibling, father, or cousin of Toshiro caught wind of Toshiro founding a new gang, or merely that many people want to join the Hyozan Reckoners every year and young Satoru, already leaning towards a life of crime, signed up one fateful day...and pushed himself all the way to the top.
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  • posted a message on [NEO] art from the story building panel
    Quote from DL_Ojutai »
    Quote from Lectrys »

    By kappas, I mean the upright turtle seen in the theme boosters in https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/speculation/824856-kamigawa-neon-dynasty-theme-boosters.

    And a casual glance at every creature card with the "Fox" creature type in Gatherer and filtering for only kitsune reveals they had different fur colours (at least white and yellow, one even looks kinda blue), different facial markings, and even different facial hair. Looks like we're losing at least different fur colours in Neon Dynasty.


    Are you getting that from just the one piece of art? We have one hard-to-see card and one piece of art depicting kitsune. I think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves in extrapolating what the tribe as a whole looks like in the set.

    I'd be fine if this is Crimson Vow power level. Both Innistrad sets seem just about right for Standard.


    The concept art outright says that "Kitsune...are white with red fur markings." I think extrapolating from that Wizards statement is reasonable.

    I'd be glad to see at least one yellow throwback kitsune with no fur markings.

    Crimson Vow's power level was one of the lowest I've seen yet Modern-wise - 1-2 cards from it half-heartedly made it into maindecks and even got interchangeably kicked in and out over the course of days and weeks (Wandering Mind and Blood Fountain are the ones that significantly rotated in and out; I only saw Cemetery Illuminator and Cemetery Gatekeeper once or twice). End the Festivities made it into Legacy sideboards pretty solidly, but that was a given since it's strictly better than cards that did its job like Blazing Volley.

    It's a bad sign for me when I lose interest in playing Magic: the Gathering (admittedly on Cockatrice against myself right now) and start swapping to other games while I wait for a new set.
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  • posted a message on [NEO] saga art of the day 2 -- Life of Toshiro Umezawa
    Quote from cyberium_neo »
    "Perhaps some familiar faces still reside on the Plane, remembering him after all this time . . . or even carrying on his family name."

    That means Satoru may simply be someone who borrowed Umezawa's name to reform the Hyozan Reckoners, consider Toshiro's true heir is on Dominaria.

    *cough* Ray Skywalker.

    Or Satoru can easily be a descendant of one of Toshiro's relatives.
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  • posted a message on Three 2 cmc cards leaked for kamigawa neon dynasty (light paws, a vehicle, and a kami/spirit)
    Of note: LOTS of cards trigger on cast, not just Eldrazi. Don't know how many other creatures have an ability that triggers on cast, but there are tons of creatures that do something when you cast something else like this does.


    The cards are talking about doesnt cheat you permanents in play at cast. You can't compare apple and oranges, effect without this limitation would be just broken

    Cascade triggers on cast and cheats an additional spell onto the stack whenever it triggers. Cascade is also a nightmare for counterspell-heavy decks.

    I agree that Light-Paws with only the ETB trigger would be nuts because it would chain a lot of Auras out of your library. Looks like Light-Paws with only the cast trigger would be kinda nuts because you could tutor darn near any Aura you want through counterspells. (I guess Wizards might be learning the lesson Urza's Saga should have taught them...?)
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  • posted a message on NEO- Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty
    Quote from cyberium_neo »
    "Perhaps some familiar faces still reside on the Plane, remembering him after all this time . . . or even carrying on his family name."

    That means Satoru may simply be someone who borrowed Umezawa's name to reform the Hyozan Reckoners, consider Toshiro's true heir is on Dominaria.

    I think it's more likely that Satoru is a descendant of one of Toshiro's relatives.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on [NEO] art from the story building panel
    Quote from ChrisBP7 »
    Quote from Lectrys »
    Quote from Mana Goat »
    I wonder why they changed the Kitsunes' faces? I know the originals where weird, but I always felt it fit the theme.

    Yeah, the new kitsune seem to have a lack of facial diversity in comparison, as if all of them subscribed to the same facial powder and face paint. I hope for a story with strong flavour about why the kitsunes' faces changed that way in-universe (rather like the one that Wizards has to give for how the orochi lost their legs and the one they should give for how kappas have been brought back (or at least "brought back") from Shell of the Last Kappa-implied extinction - the kappa one they can explain with cloning, the orochi...).


    I always felt that the Kitsune faces in the original were all almost impossible to differentiate from each other. I prefer the newer version. And that's most certainly not a Kappa, but an Akki, a goblin from Kamigawa, which ironically were modelled after Kappas in the original Kamigawa block (while still implying that there were actual Kappas once). I could see them having the Orochi lose their legs to change them from Snakes to Naga (which I wouldn't be in favor of, but oh well). The reason for that change could be anything, it has been a while after all since the Kami War.

    By kappas, I mean the upright turtle seen in the theme boosters in https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/speculation/824856-kamigawa-neon-dynasty-theme-boosters.

    And a casual glance at every creature card with the "Fox" creature type in Gatherer and filtering for only kitsune reveals they had different fur colours (at least white and yellow, one even looks kinda blue), different facial markings, and even different facial hair. Looks like we're losing at least different fur colours in Neon Dynasty.
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