you are honestly very nitpicky... only really choosing to dive deep into either me, shadow, or killjoy, and Gemma and if you are scum, its possible that one of them are scum with you... Like look at your progressions on Gemma, and Roz for example, me and you go from mind melding, to you saying Gemma probably isnt 100% scum here, and utterly refusing to read Gemma's 303, while you have the audacity to post stuff like this, KJ: ...KJ is in this game? Sure enough, there he is. Looking back, he's done literally nothing., which comes off as you know hes here, and are just shading him. Your case on Killjoy is also not existent overall... its just shade
I usually don't see a reason to deep dive someone I think is town.
Also I'm pretty annoyed that multiple people now have said "Wheat's KJ read is non-existent" or similar. you know why that is, it's because KJ IS NON-EXISTENT
Like that's the entire POINT. I don't usually expect that from KJ. And his catchup post had much less in it than I expected.
Like and then Reg is lean town out of no where, and I didnt even see you comment on his two most recent posts, Roz is not town, but not scum (like wtf does this even mean?)
and you have a worse feeling coming from Rhand, and you dont post anything else, but its ok, because he cant be scum with shadow, so your logical conclusion in this case is, that it makes more sense for Rhand to be scum, and shadow is town
you also seem to like linking shadow to almost every read, like seriously, you read shadow based on Gemma, and you really dont like his posts towards Gemma, but you have slightly gut feeling on Rhand, that doesnt work with your scum read on Shadow, so now shadow is town, and Rhand is scum? like I need to repeat this, because the progression makes no sense at all
I had multiple reads where I thought "this doesn't line up with shadow being scum" at that point. It wasn't just Rhand. If something doesn't line up that's a terrible reason to stick with your reads.
Also Roz not being town but not being scum is like the idea of unstable equilibrium. Someone who I don't have a strong read on is stably at null. Someone like Roz where I have strong conflicting reads is unstably at null.
RegFan has a meh post,
no, he had a disgustingly trash post, like not even meh, and I want a better explanation then just meh...
if you recall earlier posts, I didnt even know what barn was, my barn here was more of a joke than anything "Lolz yeah it doesn't make sense maybe it's wrong but i'm still going with it"
Seriously, are you me because this is not at all what I was thinking, I want to find scum, Regfans posts is a scum post to me, but me and my team have come to believe Shadow is scum here, so I moved my vote... honestly Reg can still even be scum with Shadow,
if you recall my teams were, Reg/Gemma/Shadow, Reg/Gemma/X, Shadow/X/X, like those were so old, and my team mates think shadow has the highest chance of flipping scum, like me and you are probably scum reading shadow for the same reasons, and you are voting me over him, because logic?
This shows an entire lack of understanding about what I dislike about it.
Myabe go back and reread the thread?
I'm not going to go back and read the thread for something I don't think is going to happen, especially if it's scum telling me to do it. If it ends up happening, THEN it's time to reread the thread.
You seem like you're trying to imply I'm scum with half your words while understanding that I'm town with the other half.
Surprising statement, cause honestly, the thought of your alignment never came into my head during this post, I was just speaking out, on your bad progression on me, you can be scum, or you can be town, I havent determined it yet]
why would the thought not enter your head? This is not a rhetorical question.
I feel like there's slipping going on.
where is this slipping?
Myabe go back and reread the thread?
I don't know what team of 3 even makes sense if you are town at this point.
probably you? lmao
omgus harder
It reads to me like LW was worried she would look bad here and so decided to backpedal.
That has never once crossed my mind...
then why is that exactly what you did
LW's actions don't even have internal logical consistency. I don't think she actually believes any of what she's saying.
I thought inconsistencies were more of a town tell, but w/e floats your boat
klaxons everywhere at this
Wheat
1. I want your reads on everyone else
2. What exactly does your team think of me?
3. Also I dare you to go back to voting Shadow
1. Regfan is town, Gemma is town, KJ is lean scum, Lissa is town, Rhand is lean scum, sheep was town but has slipped to lean town, LW is scum, shadow is scum, Roz is unstable null, nancy is stable null, vaimes is lean town
2. I've asked and will let you know when they reply
3. I dare you to provoke me further
and I am not inconsistent, because my scum team still resides somewhere in Shadow/Gemma/Reg/ with the inclusion of Vaimes, and maybe you after your bad progressions this game
also KJ isnt scum with me either, but you think he is scummy? holy hell your reads are all over the place probably cant find a scum team because you are scum... , also maybe stop town reading people for reasons you shouldnt?
I ended up bolding two sentences side-by-side for different reasons.
The first because on this page you STILL CALL ME TOWN (#675) but you're OMGUSing me like crazy this entire post.
The second because that is the singular most scum statement I've read in a long time.
Am I on crazy pills or something, did seriously no one else comment on that statement?
So ill probably make a more detailed reponse to #649 later, as I have work soon, and I have stuff I need to do before then
Wheat I know my last post was big so I'll even post a separate tl;dr: look at how Gemma and LW interacted this page. It only makes sense if LW is scum.
well then if my lynch ever does go through, you are in for a surprise if thats your end conclusion, I also dont really like baiting on my flip, its a dirty tactic, but I thought I'd say it anyway
two quick questions:
1. Who am I scum with? (I mean other than shadow apparently)
2. When I flip town, what then?
also I am a "he"
and somehow I doubt you sat all day going back and fourth on me, only to come up with that ***** conclusion, dont need to add all these superficial words to pretend like you were lingering on this all day
My bad on the gender. I'm really bad at it in some cases, and I'll probably make that mistake again, please keep reminding me til I get it right.
I didn't go back and forth all day as in today, July 28th. I went back and forth all game.
1. shadow makes sense as your scummate. I'm not immediately sure who is the third. It's definitely not Gemma or RegFan (interactions don't make sense) and it's probably not KJ (he's probably not that blatant if he's scum).
2. If you flip town I don't think it clears Shadow, but I don't know who else is scum based on that. Nothing comes to mind after thinking about it for a few minutes without rereading. I don't know what team of 3 even makes sense if you are town at this point.
Also I don't buy the "well you're in for a surprise when I flip town" defense in combination with "why are you pretending". You seem like you're trying to imply I'm scum with half your words while understanding that I'm town with the other half.
@wheat: I think you probably should read Last in other games, because that massive inconsistency (frustrating as it is) is present in his town game.
I hate doing this, but just because it seems to be an intrinsic part of your read on me; pocketing is something I do as both alignments, sometimes it’s not even intentional.
Can you give me examples of posts from Reg that your “weirdly okay with”?
It's the posts on page 13 where reg gets voted back-to-back and then unvoted back-to-back that I mean.
As far as LW I believe what people are saying where LW doesn't always make sense. I can feel that, and it contributed to my waffling a bit. But this goes beyond the expectations set for me by other people posting who seem to have played with LW. I feel like there's slipping going on.
LW 529: "sustained effort means nothing, some people are really good at finding reasons to push possible town when they play scum..." but most people aren't, not to the level gemma has been, esp. since gemma has been under pressure.
There are two explanations that seem reasonable to me, either Gemma is a really good scum player or a very persistent townie player. I believe the latter more easily than the former.
Just a quick note: My 'assertion' from earlier was that there's a lot of people calling me scum but not enough people voting me. Like, that's a Thing and it's weird.
Also can we maybe stop with the big block walls? I'm not a fan.
This makes sense to me as someone who did actually vote you. You don't have a post that anyone can point at and say "this man is scum". Because you have no post that anyone can point to and say anything about. That's what makes you scummy.
/barn Gemma
well not much of barn was gunna vote him after that post either way vote: Regfan
I'd like everyone to take a minute and contrast LW's posts and Gemma's posts on this page. Particular in regards to content and timing compared to gemma's.
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Part of me still worries I'm reading shadow wrong but my reads are shifting around enough that I'm going to go with my gut after all, sort out the rest when he flips scum.
For example, his reaction to roz. The vibe in the room is "roz will roz, and I like Vaimes' idea that roz doesn't make this big of a splash as scum. That makes sense to me. While I sure don't think roz is townie I don't think he's scummy anymore.
It does still leave Rhand though.
Killjoy finally had a post. Not one that inspires confidence but I need to see more from him before lynching as we close towards the deadline. There's just not enough right now.
I weirdly find myself okay with reg's posts.
Which brings us to LW and my vote.
I've walked back and forth on LW all day but I think the dial has finally settled on LW being scum. At first I wanted to respect having opinions that don't make sense but it has reached the point where it feels like twisting facts. "This action is usually townie, but not always, ergo this person is scum" or vice versa is the general tone of LW's posts.
In a vacuum I'd still be fine with even that. Being wrong isn't being scum. But it was the exchange with Gemma on this page that really got me. I think everyone should go back and read it carefully. RegFan has a meh post, gemma naked votes, then LW barns (??) and also votes. Gemma notes this. LW's reaction is basically "Lolz yeah it doesn't make sense maybe it's wrong but i'm still going with it" which feels a little odd, but then especially the next post she's like HEH YOU'RE SCUM AFTER ALL which really feels reaching. More trying to twist facts into a reality that doesn't exist. Then after another back and forth where LW doesn't back down from Gemma on Reg, LW...backs down from Gemma on Reg??? But hasn't actually had a change of heart. She still thinks Reg is scum, and nothing has seemingly changed, and Gemma is also apparently still scum to LW. So why would LW ever back down here?
It reads to me like LW was worried she would look bad here and so decided to backpedal.
tl;dr of the above meandering paragraph: LW's actions don't even have internal logical consistency. I don't think she actually believes any of what she's saying.
Note: Since she voted shadow, this leaves the question once again: is shadow scum with LW? I can see reasoning either way. It makes sense regardless of shadow's alignment; if shadow is scum, this would give her some (if not a lot of) bus credit when shadow seems to be on the way out. If shadow is town, a mislynch that ultimately wouldn't look that badly on her.
Unvote, Vote: LastWhisper
I could be convinced to switch to shadow but I think LW is the right lynch for today after that exchange.
Wheat
Honestly, why is the other case more likely?
What has regfan done to look townie? I am curious
What didnt you like about Roz's entrance?
Why are you feeling worse about Shadow?
Do you think Gemma's post look townie? or that it looks like she is scum hunting? cause those are two different things, and I have yet to see a case I like from her...
I've already explained why the other case is more likely.
I liked Reg's analysis in 383-385.
I didn't like the part where Roz went "look at me, super town, yep, super town" for multiple posts.
I'm not feeling worse about shadow. If anything my outlook on shadow has improved. I assume you mean Rhand, so I'll answer that instead: Rhand feels like more like Rhand impersonating Rhand than Rhand himself. Something is missing from his posts.
This is especially true if you look back at his last 10 posts or so, which I did after I tried to figure out why I had that feeling. He's uncharacteristically uncaring.
I think gemma is scumhunting. I haven't found myself nodding along to any of the cases but the sustained effort just isn't what I see from scum, ever.
Nancy
also what Lissa said, if games are ongoing dont reference players, specifically meta, or anything of the sorts, because even the most subtle things can become OoG reasons which muddies peoples thoughts and the game in general...
Lissa
in reference to #333, honestly its more of a thing with me, not a fan of the, "Scum do or dont do these things" type of statements, cause they've barely hold true for me
maybe wine was the wrong word then? maybe a better term, would be using mafia theory to turn back towards something that really shouldnt be? Ya they can talk in mafia chat, and on average I would say that scum probably talk to their buddies less, but I wouldnt say its the case everytime
But all that means then is it doesn't make sense as a reason that they are scum together. You took the opposite conclusion of what makes sense.
It's like saying 10+20 usually results in 30, but in this case we're adding 10+20 so the result is probably 100. The case that we're in base 3 is pretty unlikely.
im sorry can you explain this? this explanation went over my head
It means you're trying to say something is a fact when the opposite is the most likely case, without a good reason why the more likely case is wrong.
~ separates confirmed town from locked townreads
- equals ~2.5%
)) hard bracket, each hard bracket covers 10-20%
) soft bracket, compartmentalizes groupings within a hard bracket
% is rand (75%)
> poe marker
[] square bracketed slots are not in the lynch pool, even if they are in the poe
There is also the lolbracket, for those special someones.
Representationally it is on the outside margins of the 90% mark, but really it exists in a separate temporal dimension between 89.9% and 89.99% where percentages do not exist.
why wouldn't you just use a color scale
also i've been watching for it but don't have a good handle on why you think i'm scum.
I’m not being a jerk, I just...I don’t understand your thought process at all.
its ok, cause I dont either
I actually like this and think it points to LW being town. My feeling is that a scum in LW's position would double down on bad reasoning but I think admitting that the reasoning doesn't make total sense is a townie reaction.
I hate roz's entrance but what I hate more is that shadow voted roz. I'm not sure it's a bus or a snipe. Need more to determine what's going on there.
I'm slowly starting to think Gemma is actually town. There's a lot of continued effort that makes me suspect that my initial thought that it was not genuine was incorrect.
However, shadow's reactions to Gemma feel like a pocket even more strongly in light of that.
I'm slowly feeling worse about Rhand as well. But I don't think Rhand is scum with Shadow. However it's also starting to put a lot of circumstantial evidence that makes the idea of shadow being scum really just not make sense. I think I need to revisit Shadow at this point.
Let's see, who else is out there...RegFan: Lean town. Haven't gotten any pings. Seems to be making sense. I also have Vaimes as lean town for the same reason. Nancy: I have not been able to discern an alignment for Nancy despite a lot of posts.
KJ: ...KJ is in this game? Sure enough, there he is. Looking back, he's done literally nothing.
maybe wine was the wrong word then? maybe a better term, would be using mafia theory to turn back towards something that really shouldnt be? Ya they can talk in mafia chat, and on average I would say that scum probably talk to their buddies less, but I wouldnt say its the case everytime
But all that means then is it doesn't make sense as a reason that they are scum together. You took the opposite conclusion of what makes sense.
It's like saying 10+20 usually results in 30, but in this case we're adding 10+20 so the result is probably 100. The case that we're in base 3 is pretty unlikely.
WheatGrinder LW: How does this point to Regfan and Gemma being scum, but not Nancy? What does Nancy's presence here mean?
Because she is interacting with her scum reads, like they arent her scum reads, and then Regfan is asking Nancy what she thinks of the person scum reading him, and even in general, outside of this post, Regfans and Gemma's interactions just scream W/W
I don't get it. It feels like there's a major leap here that I'm not following.
Wheat At the very least I disagree with the concept. It's modconfirmed that the mafia have daytalk. Why would they ask each other in broad daylight, if that's the case? Not only this but scum tend to talk to their buddies less on average. really not a fan of people using wine to argue against a case...
That's not wine unless the definition of wifom has changed since i've last played here.
There are some interesting interactions going on between Gemma/Rhand, You/Gemma, Gemma/Regfan but I’m not sure if that means anything. Like sheep, I am not familiar with the playerbase, so don’t know if it’s just meta or something else.
Can you elaborate on the interactions, and why you call them interesting?
I think Lissa cares about solving the game and is town.
I'm pretty nervous about LastWhisper. The pocket attempt pinged me but casually saying "mindmeld" has my attention.
However, LW being scum doesn't naturally fit shadow being scum, and I'm way more sure shadow is scum.
I don't want to spend the time on it now but I plan to look into that more.
[quote from="Vaimes »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/796109-team-mafia-game-1-the-death-of-stalin-day-1?comment=165"]Lastwhisper/Wheat_Grinder how familiar are you with each other?
I do not know LastWhisper.
</blockquote>
I was feeling pretty good about LW before that whole scum theater bit. What do you make of it?
What I find funny, is Gemma is scum reading Regnan and Nancy, and Gemma asks Regnan his thoughts on me, and then regnen asks for Nancy's thoughts on Gemma... How does no one else see scum theater here?
I actually missed this line and had to go back looking for it. Long posts make my eyes glaze.
At the very least I disagree with the concept. It's modconfirmed that the mafia have daytalk. Why would they ask each other in broad daylight, if that's the case? Not only this but scum tend to talk to their buddies less on average.
It also doesn't fit with LW's previously stated views on who is scum, specifically it precludes shadow.
Except that by the time I get to this, LW says that Nancy was town in that equation, and that it was Regfan and Gemma who are scum. So that resolves the previous line, but it leaves a new open question...
LW: How does this point to Regfan and Gemma being scum, but not Nancy? What does Nancy's presence here mean?
There are some interesting interactions going on between Gemma/Rhand, You/Gemma, Gemma/Regfan but I’m not sure if that means anything. Like sheep, I am not familiar with the playerbase, so don’t know if it’s just meta or something else.
Can you elaborate on the interactions, and why you call them interesting?
I think Lissa cares about solving the game and is town.
I'm pretty nervous about LastWhisper. The pocket attempt pinged me but casually saying "mindmeld" has my attention.
However, LW being scum doesn't naturally fit shadow being scum, and I'm way more sure shadow is scum.
I don't want to spend the time on it now but I plan to look into that more.
[quote from="Vaimes »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/796109-team-mafia-game-1-the-death-of-stalin-day-1?comment=165"]Lastwhisper/Wheat_Grinder how familiar are you with each other?
Gemma seemed excited in a way that felt non-genuine. Compare to sheep, who seems excited in a way that DOES seem genuine.
Shadow immediately tried to clear based on that, which was what first pinged me. From then on, he continually tried to buddy Gemma which is why I'm starting to think Gemma may not actually be scum - it feels like a pocket attempt.
I usually don't see a reason to deep dive someone I think is town.
Also I'm pretty annoyed that multiple people now have said "Wheat's KJ read is non-existent" or similar. you know why that is, it's because KJ IS NON-EXISTENT
Like that's the entire POINT. I don't usually expect that from KJ. And his catchup post had much less in it than I expected.
I had multiple reads where I thought "this doesn't line up with shadow being scum" at that point. It wasn't just Rhand. If something doesn't line up that's a terrible reason to stick with your reads.
Also Roz not being town but not being scum is like the idea of unstable equilibrium. Someone who I don't have a strong read on is stably at null. Someone like Roz where I have strong conflicting reads is unstably at null.
This shows an entire lack of understanding about what I dislike about it.
I'm not going to go back and read the thread for something I don't think is going to happen, especially if it's scum telling me to do it. If it ends up happening, THEN it's time to reread the thread.
why would the thought not enter your head? This is not a rhetorical question.
Myabe go back and reread the thread?
omgus harder
then why is that exactly what you did
klaxons everywhere at this
1. Regfan is town, Gemma is town, KJ is lean scum, Lissa is town, Rhand is lean scum, sheep was town but has slipped to lean town, LW is scum, shadow is scum, Roz is unstable null, nancy is stable null, vaimes is lean town
2. I've asked and will let you know when they reply
3. I dare you to provoke me further
I ended up bolding two sentences side-by-side for different reasons.
The first because on this page you STILL CALL ME TOWN (#675) but you're OMGUSing me like crazy this entire post.
The second because that is the singular most scum statement I've read in a long time.
Am I on crazy pills or something, did seriously no one else comment on that statement?
My bad on the gender. I'm really bad at it in some cases, and I'll probably make that mistake again, please keep reminding me til I get it right.
I didn't go back and forth all day as in today, July 28th. I went back and forth all game.
1. shadow makes sense as your scummate. I'm not immediately sure who is the third. It's definitely not Gemma or RegFan (interactions don't make sense) and it's probably not KJ (he's probably not that blatant if he's scum).
2. If you flip town I don't think it clears Shadow, but I don't know who else is scum based on that. Nothing comes to mind after thinking about it for a few minutes without rereading. I don't know what team of 3 even makes sense if you are town at this point.
Also I don't buy the "well you're in for a surprise when I flip town" defense in combination with "why are you pretending". You seem like you're trying to imply I'm scum with half your words while understanding that I'm town with the other half.
It's the posts on page 13 where reg gets voted back-to-back and then unvoted back-to-back that I mean.
As far as LW I believe what people are saying where LW doesn't always make sense. I can feel that, and it contributed to my waffling a bit. But this goes beyond the expectations set for me by other people posting who seem to have played with LW. I feel like there's slipping going on.
There are two explanations that seem reasonable to me, either Gemma is a really good scum player or a very persistent townie player. I believe the latter more easily than the former.
I hate shadow's reaction here but conversely I like gemma's reaction.
I REALLY HATE SHADOW'S REACTION HERE
conversely i still like gemma's reaction
What I read into this is shadow trying to keep a pocket on gemma and failing, and to try to start building a pocket on me during a moment of wavering.
But the pocket on me ends up reading like a reverse OMGUS.
This makes sense to me as someone who did actually vote you. You don't have a post that anyone can point at and say "this man is scum". Because you have no post that anyone can point to and say anything about. That's what makes you scummy.
I'd like everyone to take a minute and contrast LW's posts and Gemma's posts on this page. Particular in regards to content and timing compared to gemma's.
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Part of me still worries I'm reading shadow wrong but my reads are shifting around enough that I'm going to go with my gut after all, sort out the rest when he flips scum.
For example, his reaction to roz. The vibe in the room is "roz will roz, and I like Vaimes' idea that roz doesn't make this big of a splash as scum. That makes sense to me. While I sure don't think roz is townie I don't think he's scummy anymore.
It does still leave Rhand though.
Killjoy finally had a post. Not one that inspires confidence but I need to see more from him before lynching as we close towards the deadline. There's just not enough right now.
I weirdly find myself okay with reg's posts.
Which brings us to LW and my vote.
I've walked back and forth on LW all day but I think the dial has finally settled on LW being scum. At first I wanted to respect having opinions that don't make sense but it has reached the point where it feels like twisting facts. "This action is usually townie, but not always, ergo this person is scum" or vice versa is the general tone of LW's posts.
In a vacuum I'd still be fine with even that. Being wrong isn't being scum. But it was the exchange with Gemma on this page that really got me. I think everyone should go back and read it carefully. RegFan has a meh post, gemma naked votes, then LW barns (??) and also votes. Gemma notes this. LW's reaction is basically "Lolz yeah it doesn't make sense maybe it's wrong but i'm still going with it" which feels a little odd, but then especially the next post she's like HEH YOU'RE SCUM AFTER ALL which really feels reaching. More trying to twist facts into a reality that doesn't exist. Then after another back and forth where LW doesn't back down from Gemma on Reg, LW...backs down from Gemma on Reg??? But hasn't actually had a change of heart. She still thinks Reg is scum, and nothing has seemingly changed, and Gemma is also apparently still scum to LW. So why would LW ever back down here?
It reads to me like LW was worried she would look bad here and so decided to backpedal.
tl;dr of the above meandering paragraph: LW's actions don't even have internal logical consistency. I don't think she actually believes any of what she's saying.
Note: Since she voted shadow, this leaves the question once again: is shadow scum with LW? I can see reasoning either way. It makes sense regardless of shadow's alignment; if shadow is scum, this would give her some (if not a lot of) bus credit when shadow seems to be on the way out. If shadow is town, a mislynch that ultimately wouldn't look that badly on her.
Unvote, Vote: LastWhisper
I could be convinced to switch to shadow but I think LW is the right lynch for today after that exchange.
I've already explained why the other case is more likely.
I liked Reg's analysis in 383-385.
I didn't like the part where Roz went "look at me, super town, yep, super town" for multiple posts.
I'm not feeling worse about shadow. If anything my outlook on shadow has improved. I assume you mean Rhand, so I'll answer that instead: Rhand feels like more like Rhand impersonating Rhand than Rhand himself. Something is missing from his posts.
This is especially true if you look back at his last 10 posts or so, which I did after I tried to figure out why I had that feeling. He's uncharacteristically uncaring.
I think gemma is scumhunting. I haven't found myself nodding along to any of the cases but the sustained effort just isn't what I see from scum, ever.
i work dammit
It means you're trying to say something is a fact when the opposite is the most likely case, without a good reason why the more likely case is wrong.
Ask me again? I missed it the first time, whatever it was.
Unless you mean I haven't talked to you because I haven't talked to half the game.
why wouldn't you just use a color scale
also i've been watching for it but don't have a good handle on why you think i'm scum.
I actually like this and think it points to LW being town. My feeling is that a scum in LW's position would double down on bad reasoning but I think admitting that the reasoning doesn't make total sense is a townie reaction.
I hate roz's entrance but what I hate more is that shadow voted roz. I'm not sure it's a bus or a snipe. Need more to determine what's going on there.
I'm slowly starting to think Gemma is actually town. There's a lot of continued effort that makes me suspect that my initial thought that it was not genuine was incorrect.
However, shadow's reactions to Gemma feel like a pocket even more strongly in light of that.
I'm slowly feeling worse about Rhand as well. But I don't think Rhand is scum with Shadow. However it's also starting to put a lot of circumstantial evidence that makes the idea of shadow being scum really just not make sense. I think I need to revisit Shadow at this point.
Let's see, who else is out there...RegFan: Lean town. Haven't gotten any pings. Seems to be making sense. I also have Vaimes as lean town for the same reason. Nancy: I have not been able to discern an alignment for Nancy despite a lot of posts.
KJ: ...KJ is in this game? Sure enough, there he is. Looking back, he's done literally nothing.
Until I figure out shadow,
Unvote, Vote: Killjoy
But all that means then is it doesn't make sense as a reason that they are scum together. You took the opposite conclusion of what makes sense.
It's like saying 10+20 usually results in 30, but in this case we're adding 10+20 so the result is probably 100. The case that we're in base 3 is pretty unlikely.
I've never done anything intentionally in my life.
I don't get it. It feels like there's a major leap here that I'm not following.
That's not wine unless the definition of wifom has changed since i've last played here.
Alas, it was a reply I don't know what to do with.
Can you elaborate on the interactions, and why you call them interesting?
For reference, LW said...
I actually missed this line and had to go back looking for it. Long posts make my eyes glaze.
At the very least I disagree with the concept. It's modconfirmed that the mafia have daytalk. Why would they ask each other in broad daylight, if that's the case? Not only this but scum tend to talk to their buddies less on average.
It also doesn't fit with LW's previously stated views on who is scum, specifically it precludes shadow.
Except that by the time I get to this, LW says that Nancy was town in that equation, and that it was Regfan and Gemma who are scum. So that resolves the previous line, but it leaves a new open question...
LW: How does this point to Regfan and Gemma being scum, but not Nancy? What does Nancy's presence here mean?
Can you elaborate on the interactions, and why you call them interesting?
Rhand, how do you feel about LW?
I'm pretty nervous about LastWhisper. The pocket attempt pinged me but casually saying "mindmeld" has my attention.
However, LW being scum doesn't naturally fit shadow being scum, and I'm way more sure shadow is scum.
I don't want to spend the time on it now but I plan to look into that more.
In your case I find it towny because I think you want to figure out who's scum.
By contrast I feel Gemma's excitement doesn't have anything to do with solving the game.
I do not know LastWhisper.
Shadow immediately tried to clear based on that, which was what first pinged me. From then on, he continually tried to buddy Gemma which is why I'm starting to think Gemma may not actually be scum - it feels like a pocket attempt.
Who are you, because you ain't shadow.
what are you trying to imply here?
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I'm no longer 100% convinced gemma is scum but I am pretty damn sure about shadow.