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  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the January 15, 2018 announcement?
    I think of all the cards on this list, Deathrite Shaman is least likely to ever come off. Card is all kinds of atrocious in legacy, effectively splitting that format into DRS decks vs Combo decks. I'd be more okay with Skullclamp to be honest.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Quote from ElectricEye16 »
    Quote from Earthbound21 »
    Quote from LEH »
    Are people really saying that Jund can't be hated away? There are plenty of cards, and decks, that can be run to hate on Jund. There is a reason Jund isn't performing all that well for nearly all this last year.


    Mostly by Eldrazi and Scapeshift, two decks people are clamoring to be banned. Somewhat theoretically speaking, (this happens in Standard, so I'm citing that) if Midrange is the best deck in a format without ramp, the best counter deck is Midrange +1, which loses to Midrange +2, which is so mid-y and range-y that Midrange can sneak under it. But no matter how you slice it, it's not a desirable outcome to have your format be ever escalating and de-escalating midrange decks. This is battlecruiser magic at its finest. We know this is a bad outcome or else the last six years of Standard would have been much more popular. Having Tron in the format means decks like Infect and Storm are sometimes good, which is a good thing. It allows the format to shift the top dog from Midrange to Ramp to Combo, instead of Midrange to bigger Midrange to bigger Midrange.

    It's worth noting that this whole time midrange has been bad, everyone was praising modern for being super diverse and healthy.


    You do realize that Tron is just Midrange taken to the extreme, right? Karn Liberated is Liliana of the Veil on steroids,Oblivion Stone is Abrupt Decay on crack, ect.

    Quote from Earthbound21 »
    You cannot hate Jund away. If the answer to beating Jund is to go bigger, we just turn the format into garbage battlecruiser stuff that zero people want. (Evidence: Standard's continual decline in popularity.)


    But going bigger is precisely how to hate Jund away. And it doesn't turn the format into a garbage battlecruiser, because in order to beat the bigger decks you go super small to sneak under them (e.g. infect). Although, as I have stated in a previous post, the option to go super small needs to be available in order to keep the big decks in check. This was somewhat hampered with the Gitaxian Probe ban



    Tron is not a midrange deck. It dedicates 12 slots to finding land cards and runs zero cards looking to trade one for one. If you think some circle jerk of of Jund < Abzan < Grixis < Jund is an enjoyable format, I have nothing more to say to you.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Quote from LEH »
    Are people really saying that Jund can't be hated away? There are plenty of cards, and decks, that can be run to hate on Jund. There is a reason Jund isn't performing all that well for nearly all this last year.


    Mostly by Eldrazi and Scapeshift, two decks people are clamoring to be banned. Somewhat theoretically speaking, (this happens in Standard, so I'm citing that) if Midrange is the best deck in a format without ramp, the best counter deck is Midrange +1, which loses to Midrange +2, which is so mid-y and range-y that Midrange can sneak under it. But no matter how you slice it, it's not a desirable outcome to have your format be ever escalating and de-escalating midrange decks. This is battlecruiser magic at its finest. We know this is a bad outcome or else the last six years of Standard would have been much more popular. Having Tron in the format means decks like Infect and Storm are sometimes good, which is a good thing. It allows the format to shift the top dog from Midrange to Ramp to Combo, instead of Midrange to bigger Midrange to bigger Midrange.

    It's worth noting that this whole time midrange has been bad, everyone was praising modern for being super diverse and healthy.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)
    I will admit that Unflinching Courage has not been the most stellar card. In fact, it's rarely been good. But I feel nearly the same way about Gryff's Boon. Unflinching Courage dodges Chalice of the Void, but then I guess it may even be unreasonable to think that we can beat that card, especially on the draw. Shrugs For what it's worth, I have beaten Chalice of the Void around 40% of the time, although Courage has never been drawn during those matches.

    I just feel that it gives pseudo-evasion in Trample AND lifelink, while dodging Chalice. Gryff's Boon gives evasion and can come back, although that part has never been done by me. I really honestly only think Gryff's Boon is better against Affinity. Most anything else, you can argue that Unflinching Courage is better. Also, I don't need that many "unblockable" effects - I already run 3 Spirit Mantle.

    I was considering trying out 3-4 Mana Tithe for *****s and giggles. Has anyone had experience with that card?


    I can vouch for the flying vs Humans and Taxes. I guess it depends on how much you expect to see Chalice. You likely aren't beating a Chalice on the draw whether you have Boon or Courage in your deck. Can't win them all.

    I've played Mana Tithe in other decks, and it always feels sweet. The issue though is that you don't get to pick what you counter, you just hit whatever you can, because a lot of the time you can't.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Quote from ElectricEye16 »
    Quote from Earthbound21 »
    Quote from ElectricEye16 »
    Is it too much to ask for a modern format where Midrange is on top, aggro and control comprise a solid tier 2, and at the bottom are the fringe strategies that are ok in small amounts but make for an awful meta when they rise to the top such as ramp and linear combo decks?

    Or should I just shut up and play standard where the format is almost precisely as I have described above?



    That sounds 100% awful. So yes, it is far to much to ask. Goodstuff.pile is a deck that is impossible to meta game against in a meaningful way. The worse it is, the better the format is. Consider the following: Storm and Jund are built with the same strategy in mind - make your opponents cards as irrelevant as possible. Storm does something that is hard to interact with. Jund Thoughtseizes you into oblivion then goldfishes you with Tarmogoyfs, while they top deck the best cards in the format. Would you rather play against something you can hate on, or something you can't?


    That quite honestly rubbish.

    Goodstuff.pile loses to decks that topdeck more powerful cards. Tron, Valakut, even the blue-white and jeskai control decks can all topdeck cards which are on average better than Jund or whatever else you consider goodstuff.pile.

    In fact, if you use "topdeck the best cards in the format" as the criterion for goodstuff.pile, I would say Tron falls more firmly into that category as what is more powerful than topdecking Karn, Wormcoil Engine, Ugin, or Ulamog.

    In order to one-up midrange decks like Jund, you just go BIGGER. So to say you cannot hate on them is quite blatantly false


    The difference that you are missing, is that Tron isn't actively making what I do worse. They are just doing their thing and I can choose to build my deck to beat Tron, same way I can choose to build my deck to beat storm. You've missed my point entirely. You can hate Tron away. You can hate Storm away. You can Dredge, Affinity, whatever away. You cannot hate Jund away. If the answer to beating Jund is to go bigger, we just turn the format into garbage battlecruiser stuff that zero people want. (Evidence: Standard's continual decline in popularity.)

    Jund is fine as a solid tier two option.

    Furthermore, you've ignored my point about Jund being poster child for complete non games of magic. Thoughtseize, Liliana, and co. are just as much a part of the non interactive puzzle as any other such thing. There were two wonderful posts on Reddit that I've screen capture for you to check out.

    Quote from drmarkb »
    Stuff

    Well said. Midrange decks saying they can't beat Tron ever at all, meanwhile Affinity vs UWR or Jund is just terrible. Why should one style of deck go unpreyed upon? Every deck needs predators. This other guy doesn't get it.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the January 15, 2018 announcement?
    Quote from rcwraspy »
    What I WANT (and voted for):
    Unban: BBE, SFM, JTMS, Ponder, Preordain, Dark Depths, Deathrite Shaman, Treasure Cruise, Dig Through Time, Gitaxian Probe, Punishing Fire
    Ban: Eldrazi Temple

    What I think SHOULD happen:
    Unban: Bloodbraid Elf
    Ban: Eldrazi Temple

    What I EXPECT to happen:
    Unban: Bloodbraid Elf or nothing
    Ban: Nothing


    Ooo. We doing this format? Okay.

    What I want unbanned: Glimpse of Nature, Dread Return, Green Sun's Zenith, Ponder, Preordain, Seething Song, Rite of Flame, Sensei's Top, and Artifact Lands, with the nod going Vault of Whispers and Seat of the Synod

    What I want banned: Thoughtseize, Snapcaster Mage

    What should happen: Green Sun's Zenith

    What will happen: Nothing
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on U/x Living As Foretold
    Quote from johnnyburger »
    Quote from Earthbound21 »

    I would like to have Chalice back in my build because -

    As far as matchups go, Infect is completely unwinnable. Affinity and Burn are also challenging. Lantern is a joke though Smile


    Eldrazi Tron player here. I can say that Chalice is really good vs many decks but it is not that good vs affinity. Damping Matrix is tech against them though. So many affinity in my area I have been using Damping Matrix in my original Jund living end build.

    I love chalices and I use them in my build but I side them out vs affinity. I will always use chalices whenever I can just because I have them


    I think I'd like them for Infect mostly.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)
    Quote from bradstone »
    I think the thread is on the slower side because there really isn't that much to discuss about the deck lol. It's all in aggro with only minor variations in lists

    This is true. I wish I saw more tournament reports though, which is part of the reason I do it myself.

    I think Leyline of Sanctity mainboard is worth discussing more. I also saw some lists running 2 Spirit Link mainboard or Corey Burkhart running 2 Gryff's Boon main, which seems bad, outside of being able to block fliers if needed. And there's always matchup win percentages to discuss. I am curious how people do vs. E Tron since I rarely see the deck anymore.


    I like the second Gryff's Boon more than the first Unflinching Courage, if that means anything. Flying is sometimes really important and other times simply means unblockable. You could run anything else in it's spot, but it seems good enough.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Primer] Living End
    I've been playing the blue version lately, and I figured I could share my thoughts on Archfiend with you guys too. The problem with Archfiend is twofold. 1) Actually casting him is too slow for his ability to be relevant most likely. 2) Putting him into play with Living End also means his ability is likely also irrelevant.
    Posted in: Modern Archives - Proven
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Quote from ElectricEye16 »
    Is it too much to ask for a modern format where Midrange is on top, aggro and control comprise a solid tier 2, and at the bottom are the fringe strategies that are ok in small amounts but make for an awful meta when they rise to the top such as ramp and linear combo decks?

    Or should I just shut up and play standard where the format is almost precisely as I have described above?



    That sounds 100% awful. So yes, it is far to much to ask. Goodstuff.pile is a deck that is impossible to meta game against in a meaningful way. The worse it is, the better the format is. Consider the following: Storm and Jund are built with the same strategy in mind - make your opponents cards as irrelevant as possible. Storm does something that is hard to interact with. Jund Thoughtseizes you into oblivion then goldfishes you with Tarmogoyfs, while they top deck the best cards in the format. Would you rather play against something you can hate on, or something you can't?
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the January 15, 2018 announcement?
    Quote from Skitzafreak »
    So this is a really weird suggestion, but it's more because I'd want to see how this works out, more than whether or not it is a balanced decision for Modern as a format.

    Unbanned: Cloudpost
    Banned: Urza's Tower

    Unban the other 'big mana' colourless producer, but get rid of the Urza-Tron set up. Is Cloudpost + Vesuva + Glimmerpost stronger than Urza's Tower + Urza's Power Plant + Urza's Mine? I'm essentially interested


    Yes. The answer is yes.

    Caleb Durward playing the deck
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5LK6jW0T0M&list=PL04lbfeNAaS9GawsdkJlOQwg5wclcw0Cs

    Jesse Hamptons PT Philly build vs Eldrazi Winter Eye of Ugin deck
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMG-kt1uoO0&t=1483s

    Spoiler: It makes Eye of Ugin powered Eldrazi look like child's play.


    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the January 15, 2018 announcement?
    I feel like the ban options are biased. Why can't I vote for Snapcaster Mage or Thoughtseize or Liliana of the Veil? Poll is farce :p
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on U/x Living As Foretold
    Quote from KTROJAN »
    I used to think it was a draw go permission deck too but it’s a combo deck and if you don’t get to as fortold soon enough even a small clock can be too much. Thursday I lost to not being able to deal with a t1 delver and just took 3 every turn. Serum visions is hardly an issue and visions t1 is by far the best play you can start with seeing the next three cards. No fetches helps ensure the cards you bottom stay out of the way too. I’m now only on 4 remand 4 cryptic 1 disallow. Jvp has absolutely won me games these last two days.

    There are tons of card options for this build and the tweaks will be personal preference/meta. I find affinity to not be bad at all. Humans imo is 100% the worst matchup though.


    If it is not a draw go deck, then all of us are violating the first rule of deckbuilding - don't build a worse version of something else. The cascade version is much better a assembling living end.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on U/x Living As Foretold
    Quote from KTROJAN »
    I’m now 5 matches in running 2 jvp and I’ve been very pleased with him. I’ve cut counters and gone to 4 serum vision too. Deck seems to find it’s parts much faster now.


    I believe this to be wrong. The strength of the deck is that it is actually a draw-go permission deck. Diminishing that makes the deck weaker, especially for a combo that isn't actually all that potent, or sometimes irrelevant. If you want turbo Living Ends, I'd play the cascade version. My testing with Visions lead me to dissatisfaction with the card. I would rather hold up mana for a card that matters and then cycle to draw if I want, than not be holding up mana because I drew a Serum Visions.

    Also, Archfiend of Ifnir is exceptionally poor. The problem with Archfiend is threefold. 1) You'd have to tutor black sources to to cast him, in which case Tolaria West has better uses or retool the mana into fetch/shocks, which isn't free, and makes some of the bad matchups worse. 2) Casting him with As Foretold is likely way too slow for his ability to be relevant. 3) You put him into play with Living End, which means his ability is also irrelevant.

    On the note of retooling the mana, I strongly recommend not using River of Tears. I had it in my initial build for a long time, but not making blue on the first turn to suspend Ancestral was too much.

    As the last card I can think of to talk about, Leyline of the Void is exceptionally poor, and having to use 3-4 sideboard slots for such an hit or miss effect is not very promising. There is nothing it does that Faerie Macabre can't do better.

    I 4-0'd the last Modern event with this list:

    I played against Skred (2-1) Ponza (2-0) Jund (2-0) and RG Tron (2-0). Tolaria West was the best card in the deck all night.

    Going forward, I dropping the 4th Mana Leak for the 4th Cryptic, and potentially making the 3-3 split between Street Wraith and Architects to a 4-2 split. However, the life loss is not irrelevant. In the sideboard, I am considering removing Dispel, and going to 3 Faeries. I don't know for what though. I would like to have Chalice back in my build because -

    As far as matchups go, Infect is completely unwinnable. Affinity and Burn are also challenging. Lantern is a joke though Smile
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    The entirety of Hoogland's article is based on the premise of "If A then B" and that is not a correct mode of thought for format balance. Yes, Seething Song is fast mana. Yes Simian Spirit guide is fast mana. Are they the same? No. The ban lists serves to deal with problematic cards and decks, not whole subtypes card effects.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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