Quote from fulcrum »I think you're really overstating how clearing this should be for Silver. It was a blank vote to start the game off with no explanation other than pings behind it. It looks good for Silver later when Rhand flips, but doesn't convince anyone that Rhand's scum or put him in danger. It's easy distancing.
Quote from fulcrum »Nacho /asked/ Silver if his read on Rhand was changing and Silver didn't feel comfortable enough to back off of Rhand because me, Axel and Nacho were already starting to push Rhand. Also, Silver did try to start pivoting off Rhand and onto an easy mislynch in mindreaver before this:
Notice that he went after Mindreaver for lightly townreading Rhand, setting him up for a mislynch even if Rhand flipped first. Obvious scumplay is obvious.
Quote from Nachomamma8 »Light town read on Rhand's #194; in particular, the expanded empathy defense.
Quote from Fulcrum »Notice that he went after Mindreaver for lightly townreading Rhand, setting him up for a mislynch even if Rhand flipped first. Obvious scumplay is obvious.
Quote from Fulcrum »You cut off half the ******* post to just include the part that looks good for Silver, what the ****.
Quote from Fulcrum »Silver was literally setting up the mindreaver push away from Rhand /in this post./ And his whole angle for approaching this is too clear himself. His focus is on himself, saying how Rhand must be tmiing him as town, so that if anyone latches onto the reasoning enough to kill Rhand they'll /have/ conclude Silver is town off of it, because the reasoning is based on Rhand knowing Silver is town. It's something then set up in their chat, to make it looks like Rhnad has a bit of tmi on Silver so they can never be together. And if anyone suspects Silver, they then wouldn't have wanted to go after Rhand, because they made it look like Silver flipping scum clears Rhand. It was all set up to clear one of them when the other flipped, without even making that flip much more likely.
Quote from Fulcrum »That's not what they're doing, though. Rhand is townreading Silver, and Silver is doing a big song and dance about how he can never be scum with Rhand, but not actually pushing Rhand about it. Silver was at the head of a wagon on Rhand at this point, but was doing nothing to actually bury him, that was all me and Nacho. But he gets the credit and the unaligned read, while you push me for being on there later, as if it wasn't my logic that was one of the main threats to Rhand in the first place. If other people hadn't attacked Rhand for independent reasons, Silver's "pressure" would have done nothing but make them look unaligned.
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Alright, so let's actually look at what he did in this post.
1.He repeated the Tmi stuff, to clear himself and extended it to Nacho, which makes it sound more legit and doesn't hurt scum when everyone was townreading Nacho by then anyway.
Quote from Fulcrum »2. He restated one of my points against Rhand without adding anything:
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3.Called Rhand's reads "fine" but progression weird, which was, again, just restating what I said but somehow making it a bit better for Rhand.
4. He linked two town in Axel and Vezok to Rhand as well, setting up mislynchs for whenever Rhand flips.
How exactly is this "guns blazing" Proph? Especially when there were already multiple people voting Rhand and both Gemma and I had cased him like a few posts above this.
Quote from Fulcrum »I ******* love how you spin this as Silver "taking responsibility" for the Mind lynch, like it's not scummy for him to shove away from Rhand and onto the lynch he was angling for since the early game just because he posted reasoning for it. Silver literally said "the case is made several times over" instead of making the case for himself. He took no responsibility, he was just telling people to lynch the guy who wasn't here.
Quote from Fulcrum »Just, disagree, Silver is setting up a mislynch after the Mindreaver mislynch, and backing off now that the thread as a whole has let go of Rhand and he feels like they look unaligned up. How else, exactly, should they have played this as mafia? Because Rhand had very little real lynch pressure from Silver, and Silver got to emphasize how they're not together over and over again? How is that not an ideal scenario for a scumteam that knows Rhand often dies early?
Quote from Fulcrum »Ask, and ye shall receive, witch.
tl:dr Proph omitted important context. Y'all need to actually read what happened for yourselves, stop letting scum craft the only narrative of the game.
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Quote from IsoI personally love Infect as a mechanic - I'm only disappointed I didn't see it back when I was playing Magic. Plague Sliver was my favorite Sliver just because it sounds badass - I mean, c'mon, Plague Sliver.
And Virulent Sliver gives poison counters.
Basically, venomous-sounding stuff and poison counters are awesome, IMO. Get some Hivestone + Virulent Sliver up in here. (Can you tell I played from Ravnica to Lorwyn?)
Poison is an awesome win mechanic and I love that it has an efficient creature-demolishing method. More people should run Poison/Infect.