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@dbs: i wish i had died early. It's not that i am not dependable, it's just i have a hard time actually focusing on what people say. I'm a little slow on the uptake, but i usually figurr out at least one scum. I just have trouble conveying why or convincing people why.

I was right about d_v for most od the game. Figured out vezok too late and had a hell of a tunnel on tom.

That being said, this game was stressful and confusing to me, but i tried. I really did.

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Which role do you think wasn't something that should be found in a Normal?

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Iso/Wildfire team.

POWER WOLFING DETECTED

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These conditions will take effect immediately after a moderator arrives on scene and announces the initiation of sudden death, but the rules will not be publicly revealed until one half hour after the moderator announcement. Sudden death will continue until only a single spec ops player remains. The last non-voting spec ops player standing will enter the primary game with their current alignment, no abilities, and five empowerment.

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SUDDEN DEATH HAS BEEN ACTIVATED.

Rules will be posted in exactly one half hour. In the meantime, Sudden Death is currently in effect.

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Prophylaxis has been eliminated. He was town.

Day 1 pocketing: Tom begins by giving town reads to EL and Kabazame, reads which he never really questions or reviews very much. He just attempts to pocket both players for the entire game. He also gives Study Latin an easy town read which he doesn't return to. Pockets Toastboy. Pockets Vaimes as soon as he sees him. Continues pocketing Kabazame even while Kabaz is getting votes, does not offer a meaningful defense of his town read. Note that Tom marks them down as townie for flimsy reasons right away, and then never returns to these reads. Right away, you know this isn't real town solving. Town solving is harder than early day 1 snap reads you never re-examine.

Day 1 scumming after townies: Tom throws shade on Shadowlancerx (calling him "manipulative") and then walks back that accusation over many posts. He attacks BluesEclipse. He trashes Rodemy and accuses him of being a hypocrite, accuses him of having double standards. Accuses Jey K of pocketing him and after that, harasses her for the entire game. Says that rodemy and jey k aren't partners, but gives them both a scum read. Then, he realizes this doesn't make any sense, and says that because rodemy is "voting people for silly out of context *****" why can't he do that to his buddies, which is badly forcing a conclusion. He's starting with the conclusion and then inventing reasons why it is true, and this invented reason is not even close to being plausible. Scums after grapefruit with manipulative questions and aggressive accusations. Continues throwing tons of shade on rodemy and grapefruit. He's passive-aggressive towards Killjoy and makes question-statements which are meant to play to the room. By end of day he's attacking Grapefruit, JeyK, Zionite, Killjoy, and rodemy.

Day 1 defending scumbags: He calls Tubba "meaningfully townie" immediately. Puts Anaklusmos as "pretty town" after 4 posts, never does serious analysis on either Tubba or Anak. Promotes Tubba as "noobtown" after KillJoy says it. Does not meaningfully discuss Lngrrr, puts this space as null.

He lynches Grapefruit and kills Rhand, who is possibly one of the best town solvers I've ever seen.
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Day 2 pocketing: Attempts to pocket shadowlancer after calling him manipulative the day before. EL calls Tom out for trying to buddy and pocket him, check out post 590 showing their exchange. EL totally calls out Tom and Lngrrr's behavior. 686 is basically his only reason to ever mark Shadowlancer down as town, and he rides on that all game instead of doing any actual work on that slot. All of his town reads are based on paper thin reasoning if any, and lazily never re-examined.

Day 2 scumming after townies: Immediately opens the round by going after Killjoy, Rodemy, and Jey K. Piles on Jey K when that proves to be a popular choice. Does not push KillJoy. Post 655 pressures Jey K to go after KillJoy. By post 735, Tom, Lngrrr, and Tubba are all attacking Jey K and rodemy. Anaklusmos will join this group in shading these people as well. Goes after Zionite in 802. JeyK, Zionite, and KillJoy are the three wagons by end of Day 2, pushed by Tubba and Tom and Lngrrr and Anaklusmos. Each of them had some combination of Jey, Zion, and Killjoy as at least 2 of their "suspects" that round. Nice teamwork on that. Killjoy is his top scum read this round and pushes Jey K instead of trying to persuade people on Killjoy, showing absolutely no sense of urgency. He moves to Killjoy with 20 minutes left to go and no argument made why Killjoy should go before JeyK. Then he moves back to JeyK, puts this person at L-1, and he and one of his "suspects" Lngrrr decide to lynch Zionite instead before he has a chance to log on and defend himself or claim, which means they get to try to lynch JeyK on day 3, while claiming that JeyK is the one they should have lynched the whole time. Posts 839-844 show Tom and Lngrrr working together to keep JeyK alive instead of pushing this person to death, so they can push this person day 3 instead.

Day 2 defending scumbags: Still has Lngrrr as null on Day 2. Eventually begins to call Lngrrr scummy, but always through connections to other people, who he always suggests lynching first, for example Jey K. Posts 586 and 587 are Tom and Lngrrr poorly distancing from one another. Compare their interactions with one another to any townie's cases and pushes on their actual suspects, and see if you can spot the difference. If you're any good at this game, it should leap right out at you. Post 611 he mentions Anak, but doesn't really do work on him. 627 he's talking to Tubba and mentions Anak, but there is no work being done on either slot. 640 avoids talking about Anak by simply saying he's town, doesn't say why. 676 mentions Anak but again doesn't do anything but generically call him townie because of his 13 posts so far, which read scummy to me. In 699 he lists five people he's willing to lynch, KillJoy, JeyK, Lngrrr, Rodemy, and Zionite. My wager is that 4 of them are town and Lngrrr is the scum, which means his list is worse than rand. He's naming a scum but hiding it inside five names, which is the opposite of being worth town credit. Killjoy's Iso looks amazing, he's never scum, Zionite was town, and Tubba's behavior toward JeyK and the vote analysis I did shows that slot is also townie, and rodemy looks strongly townie enough from his ISO that I'm willing to call that slot a solid town read. In post 800, when he names people he's willing to lynch, Lngrrr isn't on the list. 818 is some of the gentlest distancing I've ever seen in a game, between Tom and Lngrrr. In 821 he smears JeyK and Killjoy as being on a scum team with Lngrrr, which is, again, the only time he mentions that this slot is scummy, when he can use that to push on someone besides Lngrrr. As an aside, post 844 is some really bad acting by Lngrrr: "Holy schnikes it is 8 to lymch?!?!"

He lynches Zionite instead of pushing his "top scum suspect" JeyK, which is what he should have been doing if he was townie and actually believed JeyK was scum. Then he murders Vaimes.
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Day 3 pocketing: Still pocketing Latin in 941. In 1165 he's still pocketing shadow while also leaving himself space to pretend this read doesn't exist because he's shadow. Convenient. Still hasn't done any actual work on Shadow which confirms or denies that easy townread.

Day 3 scumming after townies: Tubba and Tom both open the day lusting after JeyK, because they obviously were saving the mislynch so they could get 3 mislynches in a row. KJ, JK, and rodemy all get pushed by Tubba, Tom, Anak, and Lngrrr on day 3, But here's the crown jewel:
874, Tom and Lngrrr both use these kinds of arguments against each other, smearing townies with false associations to one another. That's why it is a massively obvious tactic.893, I'm never going to not lynch both Tom and Lngrrr after this. They're sharing a strategy of getting a benefit from bussing one another, which is to smear a townie at the same time. Since they're both doing it around the same time, it is a deliberate scum strategy that they are both participating in. Tom does it multiple times in other posts as well. Look at his ISO.

You always lynch Tom and Lngrrr on Day 4 and Day 5 after these^ posts.^

In 1218 Tom is flailing badly because he needs that JeyK lynch so badly, while his vote is on Lngrrr. 1220 Tom really wants JeyK lynched, but his vote is elsewhere. He really, really wants to convince me that JeyK is scum.

Day 3 defending scumbags: 856 "Down to lynch any of" Killjoy, Jey, and Lngrrr, while always seriously pushing JeyK in his content. His vote may move, but his suspicions and arguments and biggest pushes are always designed to kill JeyK before Lngrrr regardless of his vote placement, which never stays on Lngrrr for very long. 874 implies that the best solution would be lynching Lngrrr. Watch his play that entire round and tell me it was really his top priority. 886 and 889 Tom and Lngrrr "bus" each other. Watch how long it takes for them to find something shinier to vote for. 903 proves his big theory about Lngrrr being scum by pushing on JeyK instead. His comment on Tubba in 941 is just stalling. Marks down Anak as suspect in 949, but he drops this immediately. In 950, Anak is back marked down as neutral, and in 962 Anak "Seems townie". That's 3 different positions on Anak in under 15 posts. He mentions Tubba many times but refuses to do any work on the slot. In 1007 he actually states outright that he thinks Anak and Killjoy are scum, but not together, and if Killjoy flips town, he doesn't want to "risk" the game on lynching Anak. That's scummy independent of Anak being scummy, but it sure looks like they're partnered. 1151 Tom actually makes an almost serious push on Lngrrr, watch how long it takes for him to wander away from that. In 1158 he's still forcing associative reads on Jey, and calls Tubba scum, but we have to lynch JeyK to prove that these other people are scum, not these other people. Watch. And in 1219 he says that he's "not really seeing Tubba as scum", because "Pizza is just seeing newplayer tells". Eat a lynch, Tom. 1221 he defends Anaklusmos again. 1231, Tom's past several posts have been "please don't lynch Tubba or Anaklusmos, please lynch JeyK while I leave my vote on Lngrrr for bussing credit". Tom's never a townie. He's also planning on "making his vote useful", which means his vote on Lngrrr is still purely for show. 1232 "Lngrrr still my preferred lynch by a wide margin" he says, while 90 percent of his arguments have been directed at JeyK. He never hammers Lngrrr or really pushes it, and no one else is voting there, so it's safe.

So it's clear what Tom's strategy is.

He's not really solving the game, as you can clearly see by his snap judgments of the folks he called town, and the people he's pushed as scum mainly being townies, while defending Tubba the scumbag. He's manipulating townies, pocketing townies, making bad associations before flips to smear folks like Jey K, saying people are scummy but is unwilling to push them hard and keep his vote there, or convince people that they are, if their names are Anak or Lngrrr. But he's willing to suggest several players are scum with them, he did that with Tubba (just before calling Tubba a townie, remind) and Lngrrr. He never did any work on EL, Kabazame, Toastboy, Shadowlancerx, Anak, or Tubba, but those reads never changed (except with Anak, they changed to mafia, neutral, and town in the span of a few posts.) He tried hard to save and protect Tubba all game.

Dude's the scummiest thing that has ever existed and must be set on fire and thrown in a wood chipper, followed shortly by Lngrrr who is also obviously scum. On the scum team, Anak is also doing terribly in my esteemed opinion. I'm always lynching him after those two die, because he's also pretty much lock scum. But Tom is bussing Lngrrr and Lngrrr is bussing Tom, and I think we should grant them both their wish, as it's very very very clear they are both scum together. Day 3 proved it beyond any doubt in my mind.

Tom scum flip also makes EL town and Jey K town and Killjoy as well, independent of their isos which make them town anyway. So lynch Tom first, and you'll be able to get 3 town reads off of it when he flips scum.