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Feb 22, 2020Prophylaxis posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - April Tempests love Scum Remnants Mafia VictoryI'm so glad this game is finally over.Posted in: Mafia
Thank you fulcrum, dkings, Rhand for being great teammates.
Everyone in the town was also excellent to play with. Believe me, I wanted to replace into a town slot.
I'll write more about this game later, but I have a bunch of HW due because I wasted a lot of time today writing up those cases
Feb 22, 2020Prophylaxis posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - April Tempests love Scum Remnants Mafia VictoryVote: KilljoyPosted in: Mafia
May the better side prevail.
Nov 14, 2018Because Bur asked me to add something to the Mini queue:Posted in: Mafia
Game Name: Modern Mafia
Size: 12 players
The Modern format is fast, brutal, and unforgiving to mistakes. Will the good, fun decks of the Modern format prevail, or will the format degenerate into un-interactive combos and non-games of Magic?
Coming soon to a Mini queue near you.
Jun 17, 2018Prophylaxis posted a message on Friends and Enemies Mafia - game over - friendship is magicCongratulations Vaimes for finally winning a game on MTGSPosted in: Mafia
Apr 1, 2018as much as was thinking of pressuring lurkers etc i was thinking about sort of giving a day 1 pass for any new MALers (Gwendolly/DisplayName/yurkin) given that they are new to the site and lynching them day 1 would leave a bad taste in my mouth, since they're still getting used to the site/meta + being lynched in your first game in a new site sucks, personally speakingPosted in: Mafia
for anyone not in the know: Shinichi/Lastwhisper/dawningbluesky/Gwendolly/DisplayName/yurkin come from MyAnimeList, the land of WEEBS, where the games are much shorter and less analytical than MTGS. i kind of started playing on the site two years ago because i wanted to play on a site without meta + playing on new sites is fun for me. and i inadvertently invited some cross culture pollination here. just to give people a heads up as to why there are a lot of newer players in this game
Jan 8, 2018Still, I think this is a reasonable discussion that we, as a community, should talk about.Posted in: Mafia
Why have there been so many mafia wins this year? How can we balance it out next year so that the ratio remains more 50/50?
There have been only two non-micro town wins this year, and that was Revolution Mafia and Disinheritance. That is frankly pretty surprising to me.
Aug 6, 2017*ahem* Many months later:Posted in: Mafia
Best Town Performance (Individual):
Silvercrys, Bare Bones Mafia - IIIII
Iso, ZDS's Normal - I
Iso, 2016 MTGS Mafia Invitational - I
Wheat_Grinder, Ace Attorney - I
Best Mafia Performance (Individual):
Ecophagy, 2016 MTGS Mafia Invitational - I
Ghosting, Neighbor Mafia - IIIII
Huntzilla, THH - I
Best SK Performance (Individual):
Cythare, Star Trek - II
Vaimes, Ace Attorney - IIII
Xyre, Shia - I
Best Non-SK Neutral Performance (Individual):
Prophylaxis, THH - IIII
Ghosting, THH - IIIII
D_V, Courtly Intrigue - I
Best Town Performance (Group):
Bare Bones - I
ZDS's Normal - II
GoldenEye - II
MTGS Mafia Invitational 2016 - I
Best Mafia Performance (Group):
Big Red Button - IIIIII
Twinborn Mafia - I
Worst Town Performance (Group):
TF2 Mafia - I
Twinborn - IIIII
Mind Screw Salvation - I
Worst Mafia Performance (Group):
2016 MTGS Mafia Invitational - IIIIII
ZDS's Normal - I
Best (False?) Role Claim (Individual):
Tordeck, Janken - II
GJ/tomsloger, GoldenEye - II
tomsloger, Mind Screw - II
Prophylaxis, Twinborn - I
Funniest (False?) Role Claim (Individual):
tomsloger - I
Seppel, GoldenEye - I
Iso, ZDS - I
Fable, STMU - IIII
Nachomamma8, 3LP - I
Best Town Player:
Silvercrys - II
Iso - IIIII
Best Mafia Player:
Huntzilla - III
Ghosting - II
tomsloger - I
Seppel - I
Best Overall Player:
Iso - I
Ghosting - I
Vaimes - I
Ecophagy - I
Azrael - I
Silvercrys - IIIIIII
Mindreaver - I
Most Entertaining Player:
tomsloger - IIIIII
Vaimes - I
Seppel - I
D_V - I
Most Improved Player:
shadowlancerx - I
Huntzilla - I
tomsloger - III
Janken - I
Ace Attorney - III
Mind Screw Salvation - II
Stargate - I
STMU4 - II
ZDS's Normal - I
GoldenEye - I
Ace Attorney - I
Most Interesting Role:
Nylarlathotep, Faustian Serial Killer - II
Ema Skye - II
Maya Fey - I
Silversmith/Blacksmith - I
Mind Screw Mafia - I
Barebones - III
Game of the Year:
Ace Attorney - IIII
Mafia Classic - I
Barebones - I
Congratulations to everyone who was nominated, and double congratulations to those who won their categories. Thanks for a great last year, everyone. Let's make this one even better.
Feb 22, 2017Posted in: Old Sign-upsMistborn Mafia
Sometimes, I worry that I’m not the hero everyone thinks I am.
The philosophers assure me that this is the time, that the signs have been met. But I still wonder if they have the wrong man. So many people depend on me. They say I will hold the future of the entire world on my arms.
What would they think if they knew that their champion--the Hero of Ages, their savior--doubted himself? Perhaps they wouldn't be shocked at all. In a way, this is what worries me most. Maybe, in their hearts, they wonder--just as I do.
When they see me, do they see a liar?
Welcome to Mistborn Mafia, a Normal game for 16 players!
This game is based on the popular Mistborn fantasy novel series by Brandon Sanderson. You may recall Twinborn Mafia, which was hosted by Gentleman Johnny around a year ago. Both of our games rely on the same source material, but this game mainly focuses on the first three books (the original trilogy) rather than the Wax and Wayne series. This game will contain spoilers for the first book and minor spoilers for the books thereafter. Knowledge of the source material is unlikely to provide an edge, but it will make you enjoy this game a whole lot more.
This game contains no neutrals, and there are confirmed to be twelve town and four mafia.
Mistborn Mafia was reviewed by Ecophagy. For the game's complexity, I would expect some slightly unconventional roles, but nothing that would be too unusual in a Normal.
Before signing up, it's important to note that mafia games require an extended time commitment. Please only sign-up if you foresee yourself being able to participate for the next several months, and being able to post during that period, on average, at least once every 72 hours, without many absences of four or more days. Due to the way the game works, I will be very aggressive on deadlines, so keep this in mind.
To join, type /in
To replace, type /replace
To spectate, type /spectate
I recognize that we might not have the playerbase to sustain a bunch of games going on at once, so if this doesn't garner interest in a reasonable amount of time (say, 1-2 weeks), I will bow out until a large game ends and we can run another Mini or something.
This game features:
- Aggressive deadlines.
- A no-nonsense, Normal game. If you don't like the mountains of neutrals that have won games in the past year then this game is for you.
- A fairly flavorful game. I will try my best to write flavor for this game,
- Very responsive mod times. I will provide vote counts every day and respond to things quickly, or at least that's the hope. The trains will run on time.
Lurking in Luthadel (/in)
16. Gentleman Johnny
Near the Well of Ascension (/replace)
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Oct 20, 2020Well, GG guys and gals! Was fun.Posted in: Mafia
Proph, you were strong, and mostly just got POE'd out at the end. Really, mostly everyone was pretty good I feel like. Got a bit slow at times, but still enjoyable, and I'll take that over 1000+ days of spam posting everytime.
Thank you Rhand!
Feb 23, 2020D_V posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - April Tempests love Scum Remnants Mafia VictoryProph brought MVPs, and I hadn't given any out for a couple of reasons.Posted in: Mafia
After some reflection, I still don't have a town MVP.
I think any of the towns that really had stand out singular performances died very early and I don't think a player that only made it to day three in an eight day game really gets MVP.
The Scum MVP is sort of a toss up to me as well and thus hard to nail down.
DK played well, and his fake claim/follow up were very well played if not a bit lucky with how that whole day one shook out for him.
Fulcrum played incredibly well, but for me I guess my one reason that fulcrum perhaps gets edged out was that the town got to a point where they determined basically any scum team had to include her and lynched her accordingly.
My MVP after much consideration of the game is Proph, which might surprise people. But to me Proph's claim never being questioned by the town and him literally never being suspected by the town in the end game speaks that something he did was working. As I pointed out in the spectator thread there was a point in the final day where last determined that Asta couldn't be scum because they would have already lost, and that he thought that fulcrum and KJ were not associated. But he didn't get to the end point which was that perhaps Proph was scum. Proph just did a great job of blending into the background and then appearing townie enough that he was ignored.
Feb 23, 2020Gemma posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - April Tempests love Scum Remnants Mafia VictoryPosted in: MafiaQuote from D_V »Post Game Thoughts
First and foremost I think the most pertinent topic to address. Fulcrum's role/mod decisions surrounding it. This role existed largely due to my own fault in mod review, out of all of the roles that existed I saw fulcrums as being the most benign in the game, it did exactly what it said and I didn't spend enough time thinking about the wording of the role in conjuncture with other roles. I found my notes on the role and I funnily enough thought fulcrum's ability New Direction ability was the most problematic with Vaimes's role. I simply missed the cop interaction and that is entirely on me.
When I realized the cop interaction was there I moved as rapidly as I could to neutralize the problem I feel that if I hadn't missed it the first time with the trade and simply put a stop to it there the outcry over what transpired wouldn't exist. Unfortunately I did not catch it. When I did realize the mistake I immediately thought that allowing cop shots to exist in a game where we hadn't determined cop shots to be a problem. In my effort to fix the problem I tried to move as quickly as I could to remove the issue.
This created a situation in which there were some problems. First, my Osie who I talked to the issue didn't fully understand all of what I wanted to do with the role mid-game due to my own poor communication. I think if I had done a better job, with his co-counsel the issue might not have grown to what it was. Secondly in my efforts to be slightly cagey with the mafia team in order to not share fully why I was making this decision(IE not explaining that there was no cop) I did a poor job of communicating with them on exactly what I was offering to do as well. For this I'm incredibly sorry.
There was also the issue from the town side of creating a “Cop shot” looking ability. I understand this critique, but also feel that if the abilities had existed as is the narrative could also have been “All cop abilities so town”. I feel that no matter what happened here this was subject to mod gaming. That being said I fully understand why players feel that way and the ability should never have gone out the door with the wording that it had.
After reflection I agree with Grapefruit21 that the issue wasn't as big as I thought it was and that likely nothing needed to be done, and I agree that in hindsight this was the best decision.
Overall this mistake rests solely on me, and I'm sorry that it happened at all and players have my deepest apologies for not only missing the mistake before the game launched but also for how it was handled during the game.
Alright onto my thoughts on the rest of the game. I talked about this in the spectator chat, but to me there were multiple other slight issues in this game design.
First, the issue of variety was an issue that seemed to plague the town. The town felt that there was too much going on for too little payout.
It was in my opinion a mistake to focus as much as I did on making each night “Unique” with each role having unique options. This lead to two problems, first fundamentally weaker abilities and also significantly more info for the town to sort through and having to keep track of. The word random was used and I agree, that this made it harder than was intended for the town. If I was to do redesign I would focus less on uniqueness and more on rotating abilities.
Additionally, with the power level was purposefully scaled down, slightly as a precaution by me to make sure I understood the rotating abilities and partially due to the sheer amount of abilities flying around. Additionally this was due to me pushing this sort of design space in order to test abilities for future games. If anything this has taken me away from some of the design ideas I had due to me feeling that there simply is too much information overload for players.
Another issue I saw in this game was the use of day abilities, I felt with the limited info the town was getting these were fine and were made so that the town had to make “decisions” pre-lynch. Ultimately I think this was a failure of design and while interesting in concept ultimately did nothing and were a detriment to both teams.
Finally there was the power level of the calendar of the mafia. Overall, I think the power level of the abilities was fine, the mafia did not have control over most of the abilities, but they also had the potential to be very powerful. I actually am of the opinion that this was fine on its own, but that the addition of the Seasonal Control ability in conjuncture with the calendar was too much power in the end game for the mafia team.
The purpose of the calendar was to provide some consistent power for the mafia team, that also avoided mass claim scenarios or to even allow the scum team to cobble together a fake claim. I feel that that combined with the seasonal control which was a tool against mass claim lead to too much power specifically on the next two seasons after the cycle in which the mafia could double up on abilities, IE winter into winter again. Additionally, even though it didn't come up I feel that the power of these when combined together were stronger than intended in lylo situations.
Overall, I think that the mafia team got very lucky when it came how their calendar played out and that the power level might have needed a slight nerf, but on the whole it was close to how I envisioned the power level. I do not think this will be the last time I try and push a mechanic into factional abilities for the mafia to give them some consistent power.
I think it would be hard to argue that day one was anything but in the favor of the mafia team. When designing this game I didn't anticipate that Nacho's role would be used day one. This lead to the mafia getting a day one daykill randomly on the doctor of all people which enforced DK's fake claim of the bodyguard. On top of that the town had two players decide not to lynch, which ultimately left the game 3-1 in the final day. This additionally, removed information from the town in the form of lynch info and allowed for the mafia to use their calendar ability to fake send a message to Asta(Which I don't think I as a mod can say “This isn't a mod confirmed message” unless a player asks). See what I mean incredibly lucky, the only thing that could have gone better for the mafia on this day one is if fulcrum hadn't been roleblocked.
Day two was a blur for me since it was a king election and I was taking finals over those two weeks. I was surprised town didn't try and enforce some sort of their own voting system or try and makes cases. I was also surprised by the Nacho lynch, since I think suspecting him of publicly giving scum access to a day kill to be a suspect play to say the least. Specifically from a player of his caliber.
Day three Rhand got run up, the two surprises were that Rhand A) only got lynched with his scummates help and B) That town instantly decided his claim was a scum claim.
DK once again was only really lynched by his scum mates due to their pushes on him. Proph's iso should have been a clue at this point since his only real pushes were on two scum and he wasn't using his ability in anyway that made sense from a town perspective, on top of this he wasn't actively ever trying to really find a fourth scum.
KCC's dichotomy that lead to their lynch wasn't intended in the setup, but I guess any town equity for having been wagoned as many times as they had by this point had worn itself out.
Day Seven, I think if Proph and fulcrum had made a collective effort for a case on Silver/Last KJ would have gone with them and the game would have been over here.
Day Eight, town didn't do any analysis. There really isn't anyway around that. KJ was stuck on a Last tunnel for most the game despite the entire game telling him Last was town. KJ's primary case can be boiled down to some weird “Rule of 5 vote count analysis” which I hope never sees the light of day ever again. On top of that with a thought that “Last must have the missing abilities” which would mean that last had a total of 6 dreams plus the missing abilities for a total of 10 effects/abilities. In theory the only role as claimed that had space for the abilities was asta, but that still made asta a double voter, with multiple other very powerful abilities in their arsenal.
Last at one point made the comical comment of “Asta can't be scum because we would have lost already and KJ doesn't seem scum” and then never took that to the logical step of “Oh it must be proph”.
Proph day eight continued to play the town win con suggesting that people should be suspecting him, but nobody ever did.
To be honest I don't think either alignment played particularly well. The mafia team in my opinion slow rolled this win to an extent/fpsed themselves out of a much faster day 5ish win. With all of the busing that went on for example DK went from a position that should never die to well being dead. A powerwolf instead of pure bussing would likely have benefited the mafia in a massive way, then again perhaps I'm wrong on how the game would have played out with that different varriable.
That all being said, I think town played particularly worse in the early game. The no lynch was pushed by two players Axel and Silver. Axel held the game hostage so that he could use his public watcher shot and Silver held the game hostage because he didn't have a spring ability and he sure wanted to get off his ability. How either of those two abilities outweigh the power of a flip I'm unsure. To be clear by unsure I mean there isn't any sensible reason to do this, and I understood Tom's rage at the beginning of day two.
Additionally day two was an incredibly questionable lynch to me and I don't understand how people could be ok with what happened, since from my quick skim it doesn't appear that there was much if any outcry of the lynch.
I'm also unsure of how town never tried to test Proph's role, since that seems to be an easy thing to test for but town just bought the role with all of the wording ambiguities and I think silver's analysis was that it “Was too complex” to be scum.
I think that my biggest takeaway from this game is that I need to spend more time considering how the town deals with information. The town spent a lot of time trying to play this game mechanically, but simply missed important interactions or spent too much time being bogged down in things that didn't matter.
For example Silver made the comment that KJ was always the correct lynch since he was the most likely to be the originator of the bus drive from the calendar that the town was trying to solve. This missed three points of key information. First KCC acquired the bus drives during day and the bus drives themselves were not seasonal abilities meaning KJ as claimed(And as in design) couldn't have copied the bus drive. Secondly, KJ had claimed to be bus driven from Axel to Nacho night one due to the bus drive, and Night Two to have targeted Axel. Third, KJ's Axel target was proven with his exchange with Vaimes.
These are three key interactions that were missed by a player that claimed in thread they were a mechanical player. So how/why does this happen? Its almost certainly somewhat bad play, but I also think in this case its the design of the game as well. Its easy to get lost in. I think players got list in the sheer amount of information of the roles themselves.
Another key example of this was that players commented that there were a lot of roleblocks in the game. The reality is that there was oneish roleblock a night spread out over many roles. Players didn't look at the game from the birds eye view.
My plan going forward is to try and make much more concise roles that are not as hard to track what they do. This may be difficult since I have a specific fixation on changing game environments. However, I think this sort of design can help sculpt player conversation in game and moderators should try and make the game as concise to understand for players.
Feb 22, 2020Vaimes posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - April Tempests love Scum Remnants Mafia VictoryHell is watching an endgame where all of the villagers are behaviorally super disgustingly obvious, but they collectively decide to clear the last mafia and tunnel each other.Posted in: Mafia
Oct 9, 2019Never got a chance to post after game thoughts, so real quick:Posted in: Mafia
• Thanks to Proph for a fun game! Some cool roles, nifty setup, fair flavor, overall two thumbs up.
• Thanks to everyone for playing fun games. Felt like the energy on this one was way up.
• Nominate Axel for town MVP; his analysis this game was really thorough and, in combination with how/when/where he pushed, made him lock town to me.
• Great job to Tom and Wisp for pushing on in the face of adversity.
• Sorry to my teammates for so quickly doubting my own results. Proph's wording combined with others saying they got specifics made me feel like shenanigans were more likely than me just catching Tom lying for no reason, so... meh.
Oct 3, 2019Oh man, that was harder than it should have been....Posted in: Mafia
But still fun! Feel like I actually had a good game for a change, as opposed to just maybe being adequate.
Mad props to Tom for surviving as long as he did. to Cantrip for doubting your own results.
Last, you were very solid too, imo, and mainly got POE'd at the end (and needed a better claim, yeah)
Lot's of really strong Town people too. A few questionable choices, maybe, but, that happens. So, overall, really good game.
Thank you Proph!
Aug 15, 2019@Shadow: There are better d1 lynches I think. Az, when town, is a force to be reckoned with. If he's scum, that'll show itself eventually.Posted in: Mafia
Perhaps Last would be a good idea? I haven't seen townLast yet and he's been here long enough for that to have manifested already. I've always been able to spot town!last just from his playing the game normally.
Actually, in order I'd like to lynch Shadow, Last, either Axel or Cantrip depending on who the more likely scum /barner is, And then perhaps one of KCC or Grape as I'm kinda null on them in a way I don't really like.
Az: I'd like an opinion. Rhand/Cantrip/Axel. Of the three that /barned dk's reasoning on me, I assume you think Axel is the most likely scum out of the three?
Mar 10, 2019Hi everyone. I am regrettably announcing that after just over seven years, I am retiring from the Mafia council. It's been a satisfying honour to help guide the subforum through its ups and downs over that period, but after so long I can no longer muster the motivation and engagement required to properly fulfil the responsibilities of the Council. However, with the current combination of experienced hands and enthusiastic new blood, I have every confidence in the Council and the subforum going forward.Posted in: Mafia
As part of my retirement I will be transferring control of the discord server to current Council member SilverCrys, who will probably look at instating some moderators on it.
I will still be around on the discord, and I will doubtless continue to play occasionally. I am still keen to review games, and will always be open to discussing mafia theory and mentoring.
My sincere thanks to everyone I've worked with: councillors, secretaries, and forum mods alike. Special thank you to all the players and game hosts past and present: without you we wouldn't have our wonderful little corner of the internet, and I am so proud that I have helped look after it.
Here's to the future.
Mar 6, 2019Wow thank you all so much! I am so thrilled to be honored like this by all of you. I am so grateful for this utterly insignificant in the grand scheme but incredibly meaningful to me award. It was such a fun year of mafia with you all.Posted in: Mafia
A few thanks are in order, thanks to Vez and DV for pirates. I never get nominated without that game, and I never play that game without you guys continuously pushing me to not bus and keeping my spirits up. Thanks to Wuffles for being the most positive scum buddy I have ever had in tokens. Thanks to Proph, Bur, and Togs for teaching me a ton about mafia when I was just getting started and especially Proph for not letting me get too down on my play when I lost something like 9 of my first 10 games. Thanks to everyone who makes this such a fun place to hang out and stab each other in the back. It's a really cool community and I have such a grand time hanging out here with all of you.
And lastly an apology to Osie, WheatGrinder, MarkoRaj, Hunger, 7Hawk7, Rhand, and Cantrip for my absolute flakery during the team event. I let both of my teams completely down there and really sincerely apologize for my complete lack of effort and poor play.
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