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Quote from IsoI personally love Infect as a mechanic - I'm only disappointed I didn't see it back when I was playing Magic. Plague Sliver was my favorite Sliver just because it sounds badass - I mean, c'mon, Plague Sliver.
And Virulent Sliver gives poison counters.
Basically, venomous-sounding stuff and poison counters are awesome, IMO. Get some Hivestone + Virulent Sliver up in here. (Can you tell I played from Ravnica to Lorwyn?)
Poison is an awesome win mechanic and I love that it has an efficient creature-demolishing method. More people should run Poison/Infect.
Here he's giving himself another opportunity to townread Grape.
This post also feels legit
I feeeeeeeeeel like Eco doesn't post this last part if he's scum with KJ. It feels like a dunk and unnecessary shade.
Again this is confirmation bias, but Eco's giving a chance for KJ to clear himself/look better and he just doesn't take it. He never does the vote analysis that Eco keeps suggesting. I feel like Eco would poke KJ in scumchat to do it, or KJ would have delivered on the VCA to make himself and Eco look good.
This feels like a dunk for dunk's sake moreso than distancing I /feeeeeeel/?
this doesn't feeeeeeel like a buddy/buddy interaction?
I think this post is pretty wolfy ngl
He's giving Eco kind of a pass here while giving himself license to go after me and KJ and tie us as a team.
Again this feels like chaining a KJ mislunch once DoTA is dead moreso than "I'm gearing up to bus my buddy"
blurgh
don't like how he ties his scumread on me into an excuse to townread Eco here
Generally Grape's macro has been better than KJ's, but KJ's micro has been better. But overall in terms of a birds eye view, I just can't get past the fact that GF has no wolf pelts and pretty much just tunneled Osie and me all game. I really don't think that town GF would have just been stuck in the mud. I'll reread the MU game (Tarot Mafia) to see if he's the same or different.
This post still reads as bad to me lol
I still don't really understand the thought process here
Grapefruit says that he thought the slot still has a decent chance to be a wolf, but then he transitions into "GJ's not scum with Proph and Proph's wall is howling". And then he continues with the fact that GJ is not scum because he thinks I am. So why did he say the second sentence exactly? Grape, can you enlighten me?
I still don't really think that KJ re-evaluates on DV for literally no reason if he's a wolf? Like, why would you do that?
GF's EoD1 still looks decent for him minus the whole "legacy time" thing. I keep bringing that up bc it's so jarring. I also don't really understand why in his quoted post makes him think that DV thinks GJ is town.
I still can't really get past this question. Grapefruit, you /saw/ my wolfgame in Snow White, where I did the stupid "popping bottles" thing and started things off way too early. Why did you ask me this question when you saw me effectively end RVS super early in Snow White?
HOW is it very out of character for me? What games were you using to base this comparison off of?
Still just trying to figure out here if this is Cantrip knowing that KJ is town and is easily to apply a townread on him for that, or if he's scum and this is Cantrip trying to defend him pre-emptively. I feeeeeeeel like Cantrip doesn't want to have a against-the-grain townread on KJ because it would make him look bad if KJ flipped before him?
How was I supposed to re-evaluate the rest of the game with the Wisp pivot? Did you expect me to actually re-evaluate everything when it was Day 1 and most people hadn't geared up to post by then?
Maybe will vote today but more likely tomorrow, when everyone has posted their cases.
Here's the random notes post I've been saving up all Day regarding Cantrip/Eco interactions. Very lazy, cursory analysis that is not formatted well.
Cantripmancer:
This post here makes me feel like he has TMI on Killjoy being town? Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but the way he just goes "town, town town" on Crossbell, KJ, and DoTA. He fencesits on Grape. He says that he gets "standard Axel vibes" from Axel, which makes me think that he may be TMIing on Killjoy, especially since he says this:
Epecially when the thread consensus was very much at KJ either a null or scumread.
Also again, might be confirmation biasing, but I kinda don't like this interaction between Cantrip and GF. It feels very softball-y. Also I especially don't like the "Hrmmmmmmmmm" coming from GF here.
Cantrip didn't really interact with either KJ or GF that much, so let's take a look at Ecophagy.
Pretty safe reads post here, townreading the obvious town while putting his potential buddy in the PoE/null section. The thing that's weirding me out here is that he's giving both GF and KJ a chance to redeem themselves by saying to GF "768 is a first step" and to KJ "start with this VCA".
Slightly townreads Grape here. Will have to see his progression.
Also slightly townreads KJ here, but then immediately backs down on it because he says that the logic is "really flimsy". Also gives the answer key to KJ here.
Not exactly sure if he shades KJ like this if he's buddies with him. Here's another shade attempt:
Also kinda reads as unaligned tbh.
Kind of a neutral retort towards Grape, and also another attempt to dunk on KJ.
Day 3.. gonna take things with more of a grain of salt and figure out what the scum's plan was going into that Day. Still think the hypothesis of Eco/Grape converging towards KJ as the final mislunch is correct but we'll see.
Definitely feels like Eco is trying to prepare KJ as the final mislunch as opposed to bussing his buddy.
Lol
:/
been pretty irresponsible this morning which is bad for me, need to work harder on focusing
see y'all tonight and will be around tomorrow
OK, you not doing much with the whole high/low posters kinda makes sense now because you didn't really push any scumreads or vote anybody based off of it. You just only hammered the two townies (and helped us vote scum Eco off the map)
Please point to me where you said you disliked DoTA.
Uhh I'll recheck context but I can buy this I think.
Is there a reason why you didn't mention this, or pressure Cantrip for this during Day 1? I know you were pretty focused on Osie and I, but I don't think there was anything precluding either Cantrip/me or Cantrip/Osie being a team at the time - especially when Cantrip also expressed a townread on Osie during Day 1.
And why did you interpret me re-evaluating you at EoD1/SoD2 as a scummy thing? Wouldn't me as scum just try to railroad you and continue my dogged pursuit after we mislunched GJ?
Fair re: thread flow.
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I'm still busy with a coding assessment but I'll try to be more active on Friday. Until then, y'all just post your cases.
@Grapefruit21
1. Talk to me about this progression here. What exactly were you "Hrmmmmmm" ing about when Cantrip gave you that response?
2. Why did you never really bother to engage with Eco when he said that I wasn't being agenda-y? I know you posted this, but you didn't really make an effort to figure out /why/ exactly Eco had that read and was just locked in on me/KJ as the team.
3. Talk to me about why exactly you were so convinced I was scum this game when I have one of the highest postcounts, was trying to Actively Solve, etc. You know my scum game involves a ton of bussing - do you really think I would be able to treat scum KJ with kid gloves and bizarrely defending him like I was doing most of this game? Where in this game did you think I was trying to "back down from conflict"?
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@Killjoy
1. Talk to me about your progression on my slot. You went from town to scum to town again, and then you solidified that town read Yesterday. If you thought Wisp or I was scum because of the "high poster low poster" theory, then why did you not make an effort to seriously push one of us?
2. In post 817, you actually took the time to ISO Cantrip and came out with a (correct) scumread on him. Yet, you never really pushed this when Eco replaced in and never really prodded him, instead choosing to sheep me on DoTA. Can you talk to me about why you abandoned your Cantrip/Eco scumread there?
3. Talk to me about your progression in 523/524. You went "Crossbell might be scum" and then ISOed them and came out with a scumread, which is kind of a bizarre thought process. Normally you would do it in the reverse order, right? So yeah, please talk to me about that.
See y'all in 12 hours or so. I'll be miffed if I see this post again as the latest post 12 hours later.
am unexpectedly busy this week, so i'll try to consider all viewpoints, but i may extend things to be a little longer than usual to account for this
I re-looked at Cantrip/Eco interactions, will post once both of them have town/scumcased each other
I was also expecting to be dead, but I suppose either you or Grape want to play the wine game.
Jokes on them, I will be putting in massive amounts of effort as I have all game into solving this, and I think my analysis skills are good enough to lead me to the correct conclusion. We'll see though, don't want to brag too much.
Take your time. I certainly plan on taking mine. Sorry spec chat.