MTG Salvation

I have /words/ to say about this game, but I'm just gonna bask in the post-victory glory for tonight.

Very happy with my process and performance though. Don't think many people could have gotten there that f5/f3.

holy ***** we won

whatever

highroller show up so you can announce the scum victory

it's actually just so annoying being in f3 with two slankers

you'd think people would actually care to win the last mtgs game

sorry if wrong

but i think any sane person would have voted GF here, in my position

if you don't even show up then you don't deserve to win, i'm sorry

Alright.

Regardless of the outcome of this game, it was a pleasure playing with all of you.

May the better side prevail.

Vote Grapefruit21

If GF doesn't show up by the next hour or so I'll just hammer him and put him out of his misery

No way he slanks the entirety of f3 as town

okay.

I'll be thread camping sort of for the next couple of hours I guess seeing if grape will actually show up and play

I'm pretty sure cantrip was included as part of the nulls there

not "really low"

PROS AND CONS

KILLJOY PROS
- micro towntells (how rusty are you feeling this game, maybe i'll finally catch scum on mtgs, "dont think i can leave a simple answer to this" which probably doesn't enter KJ's brain if he's scum, "Scum know they need me dead, because I'm the best target for them") tldr - stuff that is pretty easy to fake objectively, but I think these types of micro towntells are easier for town to get into the mindset of

- mostly agenda-less and just overall very disconnected from the game. i read some of KJ's past games but he's never been as disconnected as this. on the contrary in both of his scum games he felt quite engaged and posted a lot of walls, but he also was very engaged as town in tarot/80s. so idk with meta

- don't think he randomly re-evals dv and wisp like he does in day 1/day 2. there's no reason for him to do that

- the high/low poster thing is bizarre, but i feel like scum KJ would have tried to use it to push someone or accomplish something. him just randomly putting it out there and doing nothing with it feels more likely to come from town that doesn't know whats going on vs scum to me

- eco dunks on him d2/d3 in a way where it feels like eco was trying to set kj up as the final mislunch moreso than a bus and then trying to staredown at f3.

- also eco's posts after I declared my eco/kj team felt very... calm. like he was pushing the gamestate in the desired direction. he started to panic when i had my epiphany and when i wanted to vote him out. idk if this means anything but i kinda buy it (1284, 1293)

- if kj is scum here then he has to be completely disengaged as scum and not listening to what his scumbuddy eco is posting in scumchat. i find that somewhat unlikely given that kj has scum games where he is pretty engaged

- has a wolf pelt (eco)

KILLJOY CONS
- meta. he's never played this disengaged as town before I feel

- all the NKs kinda point to him since he's offed everyone who has scumread him. kind of paranoid of this even though it's wine at the end

- hasn't really made an impact on the game macro wise

- wrote up a huge case on cantrip but just never voted or pressured eco

- objectively speaking/in a vacuum, his lack of progression and random stances *is* wolfy. but idk, its better than the lockdown agenda-based consistency that gf has had?

GRAPEFRUIT21 PROS
- had a real impact on the game and tried to solve. opener posts have a lot of nuance

- does his "lack of self confidence/crippling doubt" tell a couple of times, which he does more as town

- his eod is both good and bad. good because i think the mindset required to put out reads when you might die at eod is townie. bad because the way he just abruptly re-evaluated and said "legacy time" when he wasn't likely to be lunched eod1 makes me feel like it could all be an act

GRAPEFRUIT21 CONS
- tunnelling me and osie. kinda refuse to believe his reads are that bad, after he sunk the scumteam in tarot. plus agenda/lack of progression etc. i feel like if GF was town we would have tried to work together, and I would have recognized the towniness in him. me/gf/wisp are a hell of a team, and we can pretty much bounce ideas off of one another

- barely interacted with eco. eco barely interacted with him. ditto with cantrip

- feels like eco would try to go for the win in f5 rather than bus his buddy and try to win in f3. he did not really push grape at all and boxed himself into believing kj was scum. i feel like the scum were comfortable with the gamestate, before I had the epiphany that grape was scum. then eco started panicking (cuz we'd realize that i'd lunch him first). i really do think that eco is the type of player to Play to Win vs Playing Not to Lose, and it was quite likely one of wisp or I would have re-evaluated on kj Yesterday

- weird inactivity gaps. this was the thing that made me so nervous, because I feel like town GF would be more invested and more consistent in activity. instead it's just he posts for a couple of times, then dips for like 2-3 days, then does it again. again he's just Not Here for this xylo which makes me think that he's scum who has lost heart/WIM since we lunched Eco Yesterday moreso than town who got excited that we have a chance to win again. if he's town, he has given me nothing over the past one and a half weeks i feel. inb4 he shows up like 2 hours before deadline and starts spamming

- has no wolf pelts

Quote from Killjoy »

Condensing my posts on Grape from Yesterday, basically he has bad interactions with Eco.

I feel like I probably don't need to show you more Grape things to show you scum!Grape. Maybe I'll look at Eco to see if I can show partners that way.

If possible I'd like behavioral evidence that points to Grape being scum. He has a couple of things going for him that I am still not sure if I can overlook.

Points noted re your last post.

also please answer my questions (re your disengaged meta and my questions on your towncase)

one medium-length towncase in 4 days is not it, my dude

i have some more stuff written but I'm literally just waiting for you and grape to act like townies who want to win the game

i will continue to re-iterate this: you guys are literally giving me scraps to work with and it's so frustrating

i can't believe i'm stuck by myself trying to decide the game and y'all are just Not Posting