It’s basically KJ’s unlock that allowed town to win.
And scum forgetting to vote for the throne.
I think the throne design was a bit flawed.
Scum didn’t really have a reason to coordinate it apart from keeping town away from their unlocks.
Apart from the double vote, its power was not useful (it didn’t work on the factional kill) and with the double vote disappearing after the death of half of the players, the interest became low.
Meanwhile for town the throne only becomes stronger endgame, making the unlocks overpowered with scum having no answers.
That being said, I love the design of the game.
I'm surprised you didn't try to at least coordinate votes amongst yourselves to try and unlock abilities.
Dark Confidant is easily the best black creature ever printed. In no way, shape or form does Brazen Thief resemble Bob.
It's a black creature that can net you cards under 6 CMC. Let's not act like it doesn't have some valid comparisons. An Edsel is a better comparison for a Mustang than a Lear jet.
I kinda want KJ to claim. The only way scum don't know his info is if both KJ and Shin are town. Shin already copped him, after all, and if scum kill him, probably not the worst thing?
In fact, can we just get a full claim? I thunk if we are trying to mechanically clear, we should probably have the most info possible.
idk, it’s hard to muster the enthusiasm to win at this point. Things look super bleak.
And I know I’m gonna fall into the trap of townreading anyone that’s being high effort right now.
That's my concern too. If Tom is scum here, I think we lose. We have some time though. I will try to reread. But man, Last's 40 pages of spew make rereading a slog.
@Tom I just don't see how you have Vaimes as lock town, but characterize my play as something akin to barely there.
Look at Rhand jumping on me D3, and tell me if you think it is bussy or not.
And I didn't "use it just to use it". I used it because out of all people, I felt Chris was the scummiest, and we absolutely had to nail scum that Day.
While tedious, I think of all people, if you are scum you are most likely to win. Which is why I want to try and tamp down paranoia and get this right.
i mean, i agree that if i were scum id have the best chance of winning aorn.
That's not really the same as thinking im scum.
We were already lynching chris. 100%. Didnt change that.
Didnt you even say you used it because it was the last day you could?
Im not scumreading you for this but its pretty bizarre you think i should be townreading you for it
Yes, I used it because it was the last day I could, but also we needed to hit scum. You Starks were talking about lynching Rhand and not caring if he was town or scum because it fulfilled your wincons.
Now, in the long run I guess that doesn't matter because Rhand was scum, but I don't think it was a foregone conclusion that Chris was the lynch by any means.
You have had a lot of townie posts, but you being alive this long is always going to make me a little paranoid. All we need is one mislynch after all. If you are scum with, say KJ, then pushing a lynch to a pretty lynch able Shin is a smart move.
@Tom I just don't see how you have Vaimes as lock town, but characterize my play as something akin to barely there.
Look at Rhand jumping on me D3, and tell me if you think it is bussy or not.
And I didn't "use it just to use it". I used it because out of all people, I felt Chris was the scummiest, and we absolutely had to nail scum that Day.
While tedious, I think of all people, if you are scum you are most likely to win. Which is why I want to try and tamp down paranoia and get this right.
@Tom, well, there's three scum left, and I am town reading Vaimes and XY for reasons I have mentioned earlier. It is unlikely that three Starks are scum. So at least one of you, KJ, and shin are scum.
But... I just don't think you believe what you're saying. I activated it, just because? My ability can only target the king, even though that would be the weakest ability ever? Let's say I could only target the king. Do you really think I use it in that case, knowing Vaimes and I were on SC since Day 2?
You just keep hitting this "PoE" angle without really looking at behavior. And we haven't even had a full claim yet. It feels like you have this script and you are just sticking to it. town!Tom asks questions, probes people, and I don't feel any of that here.
I'm surprised you didn't try to at least coordinate votes amongst yourselves to try and unlock abilities.
It's a black creature that can net you cards under 6 CMC. Let's not act like it doesn't have some valid comparisons. An Edsel is a better comparison for a Mustang than a Lear jet.
In fact, can we just get a full claim? I thunk if we are trying to mechanically clear, we should probably have the most info possible.
I appreciate the help though, honestly. I'm 99% sure you're not scum, so that counts for something.
That's my concern too. If Tom is scum here, I think we lose. We have some time though. I will try to reread. But man, Last's 40 pages of spew make rereading a slog.
Yes, I used it because it was the last day I could, but also we needed to hit scum. You Starks were talking about lynching Rhand and not caring if he was town or scum because it fulfilled your wincons.
Now, in the long run I guess that doesn't matter because Rhand was scum, but I don't think it was a foregone conclusion that Chris was the lynch by any means.
You have had a lot of townie posts, but you being alive this long is always going to make me a little paranoid. All we need is one mislynch after all. If you are scum with, say KJ, then pushing a lynch to a pretty lynch able Shin is a smart move.
I guess Shin isn't the worst. I would like to see what Vaimes has to say though.
Look at Rhand jumping on me D3, and tell me if you think it is bussy or not.
And I didn't "use it just to use it". I used it because out of all people, I felt Chris was the scummiest, and we absolutely had to nail scum that Day.
While tedious, I think of all people, if you are scum you are most likely to win. Which is why I want to try and tamp down paranoia and get this right.
Like, you know GJ could have targeted the NK, right?
But... I just don't think you believe what you're saying. I activated it, just because? My ability can only target the king, even though that would be the weakest ability ever? Let's say I could only target the king. Do you really think I use it in that case, knowing Vaimes and I were on SC since Day 2?
You just keep hitting this "PoE" angle without really looking at behavior. And we haven't even had a full claim yet. It feels like you have this script and you are just sticking to it. town!Tom asks questions, probes people, and I don't feel any of that here.