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  • posted a message on Secret Agent Mafia Day 1 International Men (and Women) of Mystery
    @Highroller, who are your top 3 scum reads?

    @Vezok, I am not seeing Highroller obvious towniness. Could you explain what you're seeing?

    Also, you gave Riku town points for interacting with people. Which posts? He has had a whopping 11 posts out of RVS, and one of those posts was "Hmmm". Not a single question in a post. So...?
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    @Riku, what do you think is the most important interaction that has gone on this game so far? It could be one post, or a series of posts.
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  • posted a message on Secret Agent Mafia Day 1 International Men (and Women) of Mystery
    So far liking Vezok's catchup (with the exception of being wrong on me), noting the slight caveat that if he is scum, he has had a chance to see what his buddies are posting.

    If Vezok was scum, I think it would be weird to call me out as scum, while simultaneously pointing out he agrees with me on Cheesecakes attack on Tom due to his schtick.
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  • posted a message on Secret Agent Mafia Day 1 International Men (and Women) of Mystery
    @Highroller,

    I read the last game you were in. And thank you for the compliment on my RVS vote Smile

    Now that you're here, what I meant by my question was, do you have a method? Do you look for specific tells, do you try to look for town first or scum, etc etc.?
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  • posted a message on Secret Agent Mafia Day 1 International Men (and Women) of Mystery
    @Eco, before I review, Cheesecake seemed to be the loudest about it. That doesn't make him scum, it just lessens my read on him a bit. Rhand also attacked Tom for calling him scum... gonna reread and see what I think in a second about how that played out.

    After reread...

    Cheesecake calls him out for it first (as far as I can see) on post #216, asking Vaimes for his thoughts on Tom, specifically the schtick. Which is kind of a weird question to ask in my mind, but whatever.

    Vaimes said he isn't a fan on post #220 in response.

    After Rhand calls Tom scum in a post, Tom votes Rhand, and then Rhand gives a mea culpa post #243 stating that he finds it distracting.

    Hey look! Cantrip actually has the same mindset as me on Tom's posts. *high fives Cantrip*

    Of those three, I still have them in the same order, Cheesecake, Vaimes, Rhand. But specifically looking at them in context of how they broached this, the one who gives me the scummiest vibe is Cheesecake. Cheesecake floats the question to Vaimes (who, thinking about it, is likely not scum if Cheesecake is, because I don't see why scum!Cheesecake would throw this weird question out to fellow scum!Vaimes). Vaimes then answers and doesn't harp on it. And Rhand... I'm willing to trust him for now on his "Whoops I didn't understand the gimmick", but then his throwaway, "Sure keep doing that if you're scum" feels scummy. So, in the context of this attack, in order of scumminess, Cheesecake, Rhand, Vaimes.



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  • posted a message on Secret Agent Mafia Day 1 International Men (and Women) of Mystery
    Quote from Ecophagy ยป
    LnGrrrR: What do you make of Tom's ISO alignment wise? You've got a lot of information there and not a lot of analysis.


    I was mainly ISOing to prove the point that Tom's schtick isn't THAT indecipherable.

    I mentioned it on my readslist on page 5, but I have him as the third towniest read (myself first obviously, then you, then him). Tom hasn't necessarily interacted a ton with people, but he doesn't just shoot something off and then ignore it. He followed up with Rhand, and he followed up on his suspicion of Shadow by posting a quote showing why he suspected him. It could just be scum!Tom laying out lines of attack, but doesn't feel that way to me. Also, the amount of people claiming he isn't providing reads is counter to what I'm seeing, so that looks like a false attack on him, either by misguided town or scum looking for an opening. I would be inclined to think the latter.

    @Rhand, I should clarify my last statement. I believe at the time he thought you were town to null. Now, obviously, he has you in the scum pile based on your responses to his "rand scum" post.
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  • posted a message on Secret Agent Mafia Day 1 International Men (and Women) of Mystery
    @Vaimes, what is a witch? Another name for a wolf? Also, what mislynch do you see Tom pushing, Shadow? Bit confused.
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  • posted a message on Secret Agent Mafia Day 1 International Men (and Women) of Mystery
    @Tom, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on any of those.
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  • posted a message on Secret Agent Mafia Day 1 International Men (and Women) of Mystery
    @Rhand/Cheesecake,

    Looking back through Tom's ISO, it seems pretty easy to pick up where he is serious and where he isn't for the most part.

    I think his first "serious" suspicion was on Shadow on post #14... he says "this is scummy because it's the wrong reason to suspect Shadow" implying there IS a good reason to suspect him
    He gives Riku a townread on post #35
    Not sure if he is serious about Rhand on post #188 (scummy planning the NK) but
    I'm sure he is serious about post #193 "everyone talking about lngrrrr fishing to this point is scummier than the fishing ever was
    Shadow/cantrip/gj"
    He then calls out GJ's reads list shortly after on post #195
    On post #196, he gives a reason why he thinks Shadow is scum with a quote
    Then a lighthearted #197 "rand scum for going the wrong direction on cantrip/shadow" (which, as far as I can tell, is a jokey way to tell Rhand he's incorrect)
    #198, he says, "feistiness would have nothing to do with scumcantrip actively fooling me. Not relevant to how ive caught him in the past, and not particularly relevant to his alignment imo
    Uh
    Shadow scummy for thinking feistiness is AI for cantrip
    Eco scummy for seeing what is clearly a playful mood as a bad one in the quote mangle right before this"

    HINT: The last two parts were jokes! He was merely explaining that Cantrip being feisty is NAI to him, and then thrw those comments in as part of the schtick.
    In response to SleepyCheesecake roviding wolf theory, Tom says "this is scummy tmi if lngrr is town"... not saying Cheesecake is scummy in toto, but he's noting this comment for future if I get lynched and come up town


    I don't know, I think I'm done for now. I just think everyone is making something out of nothing. His reads are there. The nervousness towards him using this schtick feels to me like it would come more from scum than town.

    @Rhand, ultimately, I think he thinks you're town (or at lest, not in his scum pile), and he is trying to get you to look at your reads and question them, because they are the opposite of Tom's.

    @Cheesecake, Tom isn't questioning a bunch of people, but he's making his thoughts known and laying out stances on people early on Shadow, who (I believe) most people are town reading. I don't see anything malicious in the questions he's asked or views he sees.
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  • posted a message on Secret Agent Mafia Day 1 International Men (and Women) of Mystery
    Yeah weird. I had it open, then my kiddo got sick and I came back to this and figured it hadn't posted. Weird.

    (Kiddo being sick is why I don't have time at the moment to go back through and point out specific posts.)

    @Shadow, so do you think I am scum or not? The justification for your theoretical dayvig makes it sound like you think I am likely town but willing to shoot me for data.
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    @Cheesecake, going to answer your question when I have more than a few minutes but wanted to get this out there first

    You guys know Tom doesn't ACTUALLY think people are scummy, right? Like, it's a joke? When you read a response like, "Rhand is scum for voting his scummiest vote" (not a real quote, just an example), that isn't a real scumread.

    It's baffling to me why people seem to be taking this shtick seriously and/or saying it is hard to read through.
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  • posted a message on Secret Agent Mafia Day 1 International Men (and Women) of Mystery
    @Cheesecake, going to answer your question when I have more than a few minutes but wanted to get this out there first

    You guys know Tom doesn't ACTUALLY think people are scummy, right? Like, it's a joke? When you read a response like, "Rhand is scum for voting his scummiest vote" (not a real quote, just an example), that isn't a real scumread.

    It's baffling to me why people seem to be taking this shtick seriously and/or saying it is hard to read through.
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  • posted a message on Secret Agent Mafia Day 1 International Men (and Women) of Mystery
    Dang it, accidentally cut my Cheesecake section.
    4) SleepyCheesecake - Putting his thoughts out there openly re: possible scum and teams, w/w, s/s etc. Not many questions so far, but could be playstyle.
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  • posted a message on Secret Agent Mafia Day 1 International Men (and Women) of Mystery
    Super early reads list with super nebulous mostly hunchy/vibey explanations!

    1) LnGrrrR - Towniest town to ever town
    2) Ecophagy - I liked his question towards Rhand, and his mindset seems towny asking questions of pretty much everyone and trying to get ahold of the game state.
    3) Tomsloger - Seems open, unafraid, is working out who he thinks he can and can't trust early
    4) SleepyCheesecake -
    5) Cantripmancer - I think that Cantrip's push on me comes from excited town rather than scum. I don't think scum latches onto a push so strongly and so early. Could be wolf but I lean town right now.
    6) Vaimes - Engaged, don't see any misreps, nothing suspicious so far, liked his response to the question about him skimming the page
    7) Shadowlancerx - Giving Shadow the benefit of the doubt. I think his willingness to hear my answer comes from town, and not scum trying to justify his vote.
    8) Rumanshi (Riku) - Nully null null
    9) Rhand - ... need to read more. Can't get a read one way or another yet.
    10. Gentleman Johnny - Still weirded out by his lack of vote after thinking I was fishing. If he is scum, I would look at Shadow. Rereading, their interactions seem... false. I don't know, a lot of semi friendly-ish interactions.
    11. Highroller - Really quiet... haven't been impressed by the few posts he's had so far, since his finished game he sounded super towny quick to me. When he did just pop in, he didn't comment on any of the action going on in the game.

    ???) Azrael - Out in some weird limbo of no post land

    @GJ, I don't think you answered earlier, how free are you with your voting, especially early game/Day 1?

    @Shadow, why the vote on Highroller?
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  • posted a message on Secret Agent Mafia Day 1 International Men (and Women) of Mystery
    And before I go to bed...

    @Eco, regarding scumtells that aren't really tells, I'm guessing you think, "Voting someone who isn't in the game during RVS" falls in the same category?
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