I find so absurd all the complain about it, "cash grab" "out of flavor".
Man people memory here is so SHORT to not remember that we had the same things at the first conspiracy? (card from outside the plane, rarity shifts, cash grab...)
Really guys, take the common sense out of the closet before posting ¬¬
Just because it's obvious that there is going to be a bad rarity shift due to money doesn't take away from people rightly calling it a cash grab.
Perhaps because Wizards specifically stated that with the change to the 2-sets-a-block structure we'd see more reprints. But that's none of my business.
And we are getting them. Off the top of my head from EMN we got Hamlet Captain, Covolute, Terrarion, Murder. In SOI we got Groundskeeper and probably others. That is just off the top of my head without checking. That's more than I've seen in any block, except back when they were reprinting staples like counterspell and lightning bolt in every first block so they would exist in block constructed.
So, yeah. Feels like they are holding true to their promise. I remember being excited by having 1 or 2 cards reprinted in any given non-core set. They are basically spreading out the amount of reprints they would do in a core set throughout the blocks rather than devoting one set to them.
So yeah, your argument doesn't stack up all that well in the face of the 3 blocks prior to the shift. And unlike the reprints we've seen in SOI/BFZ block, some of those (Thoughtseize, Shocklands) were actually modern-relevant cards.
Except the new sets on average have 2 more reprints then the previous 9 sets prior to the change…
The type of reprints is kind of a red herring too.
The names of a few of the flip cards on the checklist strongly hints at some of them not being creatures. Specifically "Neglected Heirloom", "Autumnal Gloom" and "Skin Invasion", though those last two might just be strange elemental creatures.
Well, the Heirloom sounds like an artifact, which is nothing we've never seen before with Elbrus from the original Innistrad. I feel like the other two may be enchantments, however, which is interesting.
There was also the Chalice that was an artifact along with the blue flyer that turned into a mind control when it did damage.
Why do people think that Modern can only be changed by banning or unbanning cards. WotC literally prints hundreds of BRAND NEW cards EVERY year. What little thought any of the complainers have put towards these bans is nothing in comparison to the hours of work the highly skilled and intelligent people working at WotC have done. They don't hire dumb people, we give them too much money for them to waste it paying dumb people.
WotC themselves will tell you a large part of those hundreds of cards are reprints/filler/average power cards. Eldrazi decks are the exception and not the rule. I personally think they're being very lazy and/or overly conservative and not dumb.
Everyone needs to stop complain about the banning of twin. When it holds enough top 8 places withing so many events, they will Co side it. You guys want things to stop getting banned then stop playing only 1 deck all the time. I have like 6 decks and I rotate playing them. If ppl only play the best deck in the format and it reaches over 30% of the meta or 3-5 places in the top 8 at a few events in a row, then what do you expect to happen? They want diversity. Same thing happened when caw-blade was the only deck playing in standard. They neutered it due to how much it was placing in top 8. It's no surprise to me. It's just time to move on to other decks and get use to how things work in the world I stead of crying about things like little kids.
The whole point of a non-rotating format is to pick your deck and run with it. Add a card here or there and maybe collect some extra that gives you a variation of it. That is the big appeal of Legacy. Sure, you can pick up a different deck for fun but a lot of player have "their deck".
WotC isn't proactively doing anything to help diversity except kick the can a year down the road. We're going to be in the same spot next year except Tron, Eldrazis or something else is getting axed. If they're adjusting every year why not try and unban some cards that could push the envelope a little more? Grave Troll does nothing when GY hate is powerful and easy accessible. Nactal doesn't do jack when Lightning Bolt and a lesser extent Path are so common. Bitterblossom wasn't an issue so let's try something else!
Trying to draw any correlation between Twin and Caw-Blade is silly. Caw-Blade era boiled down to CB beat Valkut, random rogue decks built specially to beat CB beat CB and Valkut beat those decks. There is still deck diversity in Modern even when WotC doesn't want to admit it. Sure, Twin is a good deck and is great in the right hands but there is other decks. I would go even further and say Bloom Titan did more to curb diversity then Twin.
I'm sorry, but that whole NPH sales were hurt by the God book is complete bull*****. Their sales were hurt because their tournaments attendance was down due to that awful standard. It was original Mirrodin all over again, not spoilers.
I just can't get behind the majority of this. I have no issue with the 2 and 3 year bans for the leaks. Everything after that is complete garbage and the open letter on judge site nails the major parts. WotC goes against they're normal procedures and uses such ambiguous language that they could ban pretty much anyone. Not the first time this happened in the past couple months. The whole Zach Jesse thing was crazy too. I agree with WotC's thought process of trying to make everyone as comfortable as they can be at their events, but you shouldn't be randomly enforcing bans in this manner. They even went as far as closing his MTGO account. WotC is free to arbitrarily enforce these kind of bans but you are going to have some serious backlash.
Ya but my "jank" crushed the "competitive" decks you seem to be refering to. But thats okay, once a pro plays these cards you'll be back pretending you knew it was good all along instead of leaving snide comments to people who think for themselves.
Here is the thing though, they won't be playing them.
Wow, mull to 3. This was a pretty lame Top 8. Lots of one sided games.
I was also disappointed how much red was in the top 8 hopefully R&D pulls red back in Zendikar it has been pretty much the best color in magic this entire standard cycle or at least tied with green.
People really complained about mono-blue and mono-black last standard with RTR but this might be worse with almost mono-red winning the last pro tour and pure mono-red winning this pro tour.
Red for the most part is fine. Eidolon is an insanely powerful card and critical mass of burn has got red to this point. Those both should go away in Zen. Dang made a great meta game choice in the last PT. I have no words for how dumb the standard deck choices were for this one though. These decks don't have these high copy amounts and people not have a clue what is going on.
That last set was just sad to watch. I like powerful decks like the UR Thopters, but its nut draws might be to much for standard you just can't interact fast enough.
It's not a powerful deck. It is a massive glass cannon. The deck falls apart without Ensoul and/or Blast. Abzan players for whatever reason went away from Command, Cures, Clerics, and Drown. Blights seem like a stretch with Nissa though.
This PT's meta just makes no sense. They tend to be their own special environment, but this one was way out in the left field parking lot.
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Just because it's obvious that there is going to be a bad rarity shift due to money doesn't take away from people rightly calling it a cash grab.
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Except the new sets on average have 2 more reprints then the previous 9 sets prior to the change…
The type of reprints is kind of a red herring too.
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There was also the Chalice that was an artifact along with the blue flyer that turned into a mind control when it did damage.
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WotC themselves will tell you a large part of those hundreds of cards are reprints/filler/average power cards. Eldrazi decks are the exception and not the rule. I personally think they're being very lazy and/or overly conservative and not dumb.
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The whole point of a non-rotating format is to pick your deck and run with it. Add a card here or there and maybe collect some extra that gives you a variation of it. That is the big appeal of Legacy. Sure, you can pick up a different deck for fun but a lot of player have "their deck".
WotC isn't proactively doing anything to help diversity except kick the can a year down the road. We're going to be in the same spot next year except Tron, Eldrazis or something else is getting axed. If they're adjusting every year why not try and unban some cards that could push the envelope a little more? Grave Troll does nothing when GY hate is powerful and easy accessible. Nactal doesn't do jack when Lightning Bolt and a lesser extent Path are so common. Bitterblossom wasn't an issue so let's try something else!
Trying to draw any correlation between Twin and Caw-Blade is silly. Caw-Blade era boiled down to CB beat Valkut, random rogue decks built specially to beat CB beat CB and Valkut beat those decks. There is still deck diversity in Modern even when WotC doesn't want to admit it. Sure, Twin is a good deck and is great in the right hands but there is other decks. I would go even further and say Bloom Titan did more to curb diversity then Twin.
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I just can't get behind the majority of this. I have no issue with the 2 and 3 year bans for the leaks. Everything after that is complete garbage and the open letter on judge site nails the major parts. WotC goes against they're normal procedures and uses such ambiguous language that they could ban pretty much anyone. Not the first time this happened in the past couple months. The whole Zach Jesse thing was crazy too. I agree with WotC's thought process of trying to make everyone as comfortable as they can be at their events, but you shouldn't be randomly enforcing bans in this manner. They even went as far as closing his MTGO account. WotC is free to arbitrarily enforce these kind of bans but you are going to have some serious backlash.
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Here is the thing though, they won't be playing them.
Except he's already been played in both…
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Red for the most part is fine. Eidolon is an insanely powerful card and critical mass of burn has got red to this point. Those both should go away in Zen. Dang made a great meta game choice in the last PT. I have no words for how dumb the standard deck choices were for this one though. These decks don't have these high copy amounts and people not have a clue what is going on.
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It's not a powerful deck. It is a massive glass cannon. The deck falls apart without Ensoul and/or Blast. Abzan players for whatever reason went away from Command, Cures, Clerics, and Drown. Blights seem like a stretch with Nissa though.
This PT's meta just makes no sense. They tend to be their own special environment, but this one was way out in the left field parking lot.
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