MTG Salvation

I don't hate the card but often in decks I make I either have more than 7 cards in hand, don't care that I don't have exactly 7 in my hand or am playing a color that can draw better than that.

Hard to make the cut generally, but then again I feel there are few things I would actually call staples other than Sol Ring at this point.

I would rather run a better counterspell + one of either Trickbind or Stifle if I was to be playing a deck that would want that card generally.

That doesn't actually change anything however (outside of a couple very corner case situations) because of how Hyper and regular Genesis works nothing happens with the cards put into play until they all are in play.

For the second one, you name a card that is not in your deck and then use a different card to draw after your library is gone. Mirror of Fate can work the same way with LabMan

Or you do either in your upkeep so your draw step will be the win

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yes because it doesn't do anything

Well, your opponents hypergenesis resolves first, so they start putting things into play, not you.

Please read the card again before you attempt to correct me on how it works

yes because it doesn't do anything

I always wanted to make a Yidris deck in which that is the only 0 cost spell in which you just had to hit an opponent and cast a cantrip to get off a good time.

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A tutor is a second copy of *any* card it can find that is in your deck

And this doesn't make tutors "straight advantage always" in a singleton format? Especially if to bypass the rule you only need to pay 1-2 mana?

You are mistaking what I am intending by that statement. A Sol Ring or Mana Crypt always just accelerates everything else the deck can do by 1 or 2 mana respectively they are very linear things that can not do anything else and just fuel advantage into the deck. A tutor as I also said is ambiguous it is both the best card in your deck and the card you like the most in a deck and the card right at that time however those three things are often not the same thing in terms of Commander decks.

You could also make it spell slinging with Thousand-Year Storm Bonus Round Paradox Haze to overwhelm with the number of Eternal Dominions you get each turn. (I did this with Yidris and a bunch of rituals it was fun).

It looked like this pre GRN

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i think its definitely tutors. not just fast tutors, but tutors in general.
one thing that makes EDH fun is its singleton format, right? the crazy format, where we have unique cards that all do different things in 100 cards..

tutors go against that completely. it makes consistency and reliability a thing. It might be what you're looking for, but that's not what EDH is supposed to be about, i think. this isn't 100-card vintage; it's supposed to be more chaotic and players are supposed to be trying to work out a strategy with a given starting hand. if i turn 1 demonic consultation, I'm naming whatever combo piece i happen to need to win the game. every time. that makes games samey...

...and if i DON'T name whatever game-ending combo piece it is that i need, then i'm just pulling punches on the table (and i can't stand that).

fast mana can turn individual games into degenerate races to win/not lose, but it is random whether or not it occurs (up to a point), and it's for just that one game. a glut of tutors makes every game turn out exactly the same. and that is (in my opinion) anathema to "the spirit of EDH".

This isn't a problem with tutoring, this is a problem with how people play that you are describing here.

A tutor is a second copy of *any* card it can find that is in your deck so that doesn't necessarily have to the be the same card every time nor does it have to be a 'good' or 'game winning' card.

If a person will cast a tutor to find the same card every time then your problem is not with the Tutor it is with the player.

That is also partially why I lean the side of fast mana, tutors can be ambiguous the mana is just straight advantage always.

I am always iffy on Probe personally but yeah it could totally fit in here and yeah I heard about that Brass's Bounty thing and find it really funny.

I made a deck kinda similar to this except that it was Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder and it played into Eternal Dominion, however with the release of some cards from GRN I decided I need to give this stuff a try so the deck was reconfigured. Because the deck wants more specific set ups having Kydele as commander to provide some exceptional ramp for some of these pieces made a bunch of sense and Smasher then became gravy that could contribute some points of damage over the course of the game. The question then becomes how many Bonus Rounds can we create? I had one deck building constraint in that I specifically avoided putting extra turn cards in my deck because they seemed way to easy to blow up with TYS.

The deck.



Cards that didn't quite make the cut
Rings of Brighthearth is the 101st card because of its interaction with Cabal Coffers and Deserted Temple, that can often catch people unawares.
Thousand-Year Elixir just works incredibly well with Commander

How it works.

Kydele quickly became my favorite of the partners because she benefits you on playing the cards you most want to play in Commander that being cards that draw you cards, this easily combines into many various untap effects that exist within the game to produce immense and repeatable value. Sadly Vial Smasher does make for a pretty poor partner here outside of the odd Force of Will being cast not on our turn, the nature of Kydele and how you propel her ability to its most means you are likely beginning your turn with a cantrip or three to get going which translated into a couple extra damage over the course of the game, Rakdos partners being in such short supply locks us in with these two however.

Ramp

Exploration
Azusa, Lost But Seeking
In a deck with as much draw as this one can do these cards are the best ways to empty that hand of land or even keep a turn going after a draw 7 or some rather big thing.

Sol Ring
Chromatic Lantern
The best two mana rocks for this 4 color nonsense, I specifically didn't want to drown in manarocks so I kept it to these two.

Deathrite Shaman
Birds of Paradise
BoP is still king of the dorks and DRS is not to shabby either and can be a wincon all in his own late enough into the game.

Harrow
Farseek
Skyshroud Claim
My favorite 3 ramp spells, there is probably merit in switching claim for something cheaper, like a Nature's Lore

Life from the Loam
A category all its own, plays extra nice with all the draw in the deck, can fill yard for explosive later plays from some of the huge recursion cards in this deck.

Tutor

Demonic Tutor
The gold standard.

Vampiric Tutor
Mystical Tutor
Not far behind

Merchant Scroll
I don't often play this but this deck has so many spells and so many of them are blue instants

Entomb
Intuition
Entomb and its older sibling make for the ultimate in setting up plays or sometimes they just get Life from the Loam to a take it a bit slow. The number of very very dumb Intuition piles this deck can put together is sure fun.

Dark Petition
Tutor and Ritual all in one plays extremely nice with all the Bonus Storming happening and this deck rarely doesn't have Spell Mastery

Spellseeker
Finds the card you need or if that card is the wrong CMC finds one of the above to find the card you need in the future, some bodies are not bad to have also plays nice with Ghostly Flicker

Draw

Brainstorm
Ponder
Preordain
Serum Visions
The team obviously and especially in this deck brainstorm shines brighter than the rest but they all have their uses.

Wheel of Fortune
Windfall
Best of the Draw 7s that are not thousands of dollars, and that are not also rituals (more on that one later)

Dack Fayden
When he isn't stealing ramp or wincons from opponents he is looting like the best of them

Jace, The Mind Sculptor
Lets face it 90% of the time this guy is a brainstorm and a repeatable one of those is so good in this deck. Which speaking of

Sylvan Library
The secret best card to pair with Kydele in the entire game, no matter how you resolve Library trigger you will have drawn 3 cards this turn, which is an unparalleled amount of power set up with her.

Sensei's Divining Top
The right combination of fixing and draw, and can add to storm counts in nice ways

Disruption

Nature's Claim
Chain of Vapor
When you need something gone accept no substitutes

Cyclonic Rift
Versatility is what keeps this card in decks

Hurkyl's Recall
Not generally for my board but for the proliferation of artifact based strategies I regularly run into, also EoT this into a wheel is real good.

Mana Drain
This spot used to be either Remand or Arcane Denial but the power of drain can not be denied and its ability to set you up well next turn.

Force of Will
Mindbreak Trap
'Free' counterspells of very different varieties to deal with very different problems typically.

Rewind
This card made the deck because between Bonus Round and TYS this card can be made to do very interesting work as a counter and ritual all in one.

Ritual

Baral, Chief of Compliance
He will sometimes draw cards, he will most often make a lot of stuff cost less letting the mana flow

Dark Ritual
Cabal Ritual
The black goto rituals

Manamorphose
The best ritual and one of the main reasons I play green in these.

Turnabout
This card can do a lot in this deck

Frantic Search
All this deck wants to do in one card

Rude Awakening
Early Harvest for nonbasics that can also win the game in the right situation and can play nicely with some untap cards too.

Untap

Cerulean Wisps
The gold standard of what these cards should do, untap commander add to the amount of mana she taps for next time

Benefactor's Draught
Can play nice with Rude Awakening, can also sneak some cards from a fortuitous swing in a different direction.

Dramatic Reversal
Plays nice with deck plays very nice with Scepter

Mind over Matter
Turns card draw into mana which turns into card draw...

Bonus!

Thousand-Year Storm
Haven't gotten to play with it yet but seems very good on paper

Bonus Round
Have gotten to play with this, is incredible.

Dualcaster Mage
The other copy spell in the deck and plays nice with...

Ghostly Flicker
Pairs very nicely with a lot of the cards in the deck and with Bonus Round or TYS can become a ritual in and of itself.

Isochron Scepter
Outside of going infinite this deck plays a lot of good cards to imprint for fun.

Time Spiral
It does it all and can play very silly with the various bonus rounds and storms.

Mind's Desire
The king of do dumb things and either win the game or do a whole lot of nothing

Staff of Domination
Another card with a million uses that can also just go infinite with my Commander and not that many cards drawn to set it up.

Recursion

Noxious Revival
Plays exceptionally well into both Storm and Round and is free if it has to be.

Mission Briefing
Plays with the dumb things in this deck that make spells better, can be found by Spellseeker, fills a graveyard for other silliness and can overload Mastery or Rift sign me up.

Snapcaster Mage
Still really good

Crucible of World
Pairs well with a bunch of cards in the deck and is all colorless

Mizzix's Mastery
This card is useful for 4 mana in a pinch but more often than not it goes HAM in one of the biggest ways possible

Past in Flames
Ol Flashback standby

Yawgmoth's Will
Even better Past in Flames

Kill

Walking Ballista
This deck make a LOT of mana

Tendrils of Agony
The storm kill

Laboratory Maniac
The Draw kill

Mnemonic Betrayal
When you want to win somewhat spicier


And that is the deck as it stands right now, thanks for looking through.

So I made the Mono-W version of Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle and had fun with it, but didn't also have the cards to really push that version to the limit on its own so I got to thinking how to make the deck better and I came to to the obvious answer, what if the whole thing was given flash by the new Commander, enter:


In this deck Raff largely exists as a legendary copy of Shimmer Myr which gives a majority of the deck flash including Teshar. Blue also brings some other Artifact related toys to the table as well as a bevy of control options to back up and Support this artifact graveyard combo nonsense.

The List



Missing a bunch of the $$$$ artifact pieces that makes the Mono-W version really quick and would also benefit here but their absence is shored up by the addition of control. Alongside the Control elements other artifact combos with low card footprints ala (Scepter Reversal) could sneak into the mix and the addition of blue allows for the best additions in Paradoxical Outcome and Hurkyl's Recall alongside Riddlesmith to send the deck to the stars.

I also made a Teshar deck into a Silas Renn, Seeker Adept Akiri, Line-Slinger artifact deck that was fun in 4 colors as well. My next step may be to try a GW version of Teshar with Saffi Eriksdotter at the helm.

Sadly your plan is ruined by Summoning Sickness that exists on untap symbols as well as tap symbols.

The 4 Big Named Sultai Generals all work really well in really grindy land based strategies.

Tasigur, the Golden Fang, The Mimeoplasm, Damia, Sage of Stone, Muldrotha, the Gravetide

Here is an example of that



Tatyova, Benthic Druid can be lots of fun with some Moonfolk and some extra land drop cards, have seen some WILD stuff mixing a Summer Bloom and a Uyo, Silent Prophet