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When you plug Azami, Lady of Scrolls or any similar tap-draw effect it becomes easy to go further with PE combos

3 Player game

I was playing Kydele & Vial Smasher and there was a Muldrotha and a Pir&Toothy

The Muldrotha player does a bunch of stuff on turn 6 including play and crack a Lotus Petal
The Pir&Toothy Player with a Seedborn Muse in play taps out playing stuff and passes the turn.

I Cyclonic Rift the Muse and then Vampiric Tutor for Shaman's Trance on the end of turn.

Tap out playing the Yawgmoth's Will and Shaman's Trance from hand.
Proceed to make infinite mana off the Muldrotha player's Lotus Petal
The other player had a Brainstorm in grave which I then used to draw my deck and find the win.

Jhoria is just EDH Cheerio's / Mox Tribal and if you have the cards to make it work can be very very explosive into a Storm out, Sai seems less good because Cards > Thopters

I would take her over Breya personally but that is just the style of deck I like.

If you don't have a Draw thing built into your Paradox Engine machine though it will run out, the mana you make is limited by your hand largely.

The Scepter-Reversal Method has more overhead for sure but the mana is infinite once it begins so you need less things once it is running.

It is cheaper CMC wise and the pieces of it are tutorable so it is easy to slot into a lot of decks that run signets and a sol ring and other mana rocks / dorks.

Also the Paradox Engine thing requires spells to make mana where as if you have 3 mana in rocks and the Scepter combo you can make a big storm or a lot of mana without having a hand full of spells.

I see Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal way more than I see Paradox Engine these days

This is the same thread as the last time this thread was this thread just worded slightly different.

So as not to restate a lot of the same boring talking points about this idea you should just go read the previous thread by the same person, https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/780142-agree-or-disagree-discussion-on-tutor-effects

The thing about Commander and I think the thing that shuts down this happening is that this format already has cards that are banned precisely for the amount of life Commander begins at.

And obviously the only reason that cards like Fastbond or Channel or Yawgmoth's Bargain or Griselbrand are banned isn't because this format begins at an inflated life total therefore the sting of their use and the shenanigans one can get up to with them is increased, I would have to bet that the Commander life total plays a large part in those considerations.

I feel that level of positive effects are what need to be looked at when trying to figure out a card like Serra.

First turn Serra is a bummer for sure, but it is not the end of the world.

This is more luck than crazy, playing a Mishra, Artificer Prodigy deck.

Turn 1: Land Normal
Turn 2: Land Cast Helm of Awakening
Turn 3: Land
Trinket Mage
Sol Ring
Izzet Signet
Ghostly Flicker (Sol Ring, Trinket Mage)
Voltaic Key
Chromatic Lantern

2 opponents are making boards of creatures so opponent 3 casts a Wrath of God

Turn 4:
Land
Chromatic Sphere
Time Spiral
Draws into
Spellseeker for ( Dramatic Reversal)
Isochron Scepter imprinting Reversal
Infinite Mana
Mystical Tutor for Demonic Tutor
Chromatic Sphere to draw it
Aetherflux Reservoir for the ball game.


Helm of Awakening is a fun trap card that people play into every time.

Dormant Sliver brings back memories of a game where I was the last alive against a Sliver Deck that had all the ones out you want to have like Shroud and what have you so on my last turn before getting overrun I cast Bribery on them and they had that card in the deck, was a good time.

28/29 Apostles is what I usually end up at whenever I try to take these guys out in anything from 1 to 4 color shell. Any more feels way too crowded with not enough going on around them.

That is a spicy lord

Yo RED Planeswalkers are on a HELL of a roll.

Hi Jhoira's best friend how are you today. Also a damn fine Mono-U Commander


This thing is also going to be a monster in EDH Mill/GY strategies

That is a good creature well cost, ability is cheap has toughness

Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain decks be extremely happy.