Also, I prefer Spell Shrivel over Void Shatter, simply because getting 2 Blue mana by turn 3 is far from guaranteed.
I dont have another two. I had ordered them last week and the holiday mail influx has slowed down the delivery time I suppose. I can make the swaps on the other two and see how it runs.
Tonight is just for fun, as its an FNM and my local play group is sick of my G/B Delirium deck and have made strong efforts to sideboard in a ton of hate for it. I think it will surprise them to see its a U/W flash deck.
This is the list I will run at FNM tonight just for fun. I usually run my G/B Delirium deck, but I think this deck could be a little more fun and interactive.
As I am missing a few key cards, I have to make some adjustments in cards I am not happy about, but I hope this will do well enough.
It appears I am also missing two Selfless Spirits...thought I had 4. Ugh.
I have both the Deep-Fiend and the Skyship, I was debating on running the Skyship already as a pseudo Avacyn Angel. I had not considered the Deep-Fiend though, it could be a good game finisher.
I have a very control oriented meta at my local shop, I am considering running this deck for FNM tomorrow night.
If I can recall, I have 1 Mono Black Edrazi, 1 Ramp Eldrazi (Very strong long game, aggro is the only deck that seems to beat this particular deck), 2 R/W Vehicles, one is very strong and the other isnt not as well built, 1 Aertherflux/Panharmonicon combo deck,possibly a Zombie deck, but am not sure if it has been completed yet and 3 BW control decks. "There are no G/B Delirium decks at my local meta unless I play mine, so I dont have to worry about that deck.
With that in mind, I feel these changes to the deck would be good.
This is my proposed list. I am awaiting 2 Archangel Avacyn in the mail, so this list may change if I dont end up getting them in time. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thoughts?
I like your idea and what you are trying to do here.
I would probably look at running 4 Displacers, combo them with ThotKnot and drop the Mind Rots. I would consider running Kambal main deck and maybe drop the Ayli move in Grasp of Darkness for removal.
Just some ideas, I dont know how the deck runs nor what your plans are, but I do think it could be fun.
You may consider just going full fledged Black edrazi and splash white instead.
Though, you deck list does not at all relate to UW flash, so it is probably best to make a new thread or check out the mono black edrazi lists for some ideas.
I'd appreciate some advice on how to beta this deck playing BWC Eldrazi. I feel like 16 discard spells should set me up well (Harsh Scrutiny, Transgress The Mind, Mind Rot, Thought-Knot Seer), but I just always feel like I'm playing against an opponent with more cards than me. My Gideons always die and my Matter Reshapers feel outclassed by flyers.
What am I doing wrong??
What is your deck list. That would help a whole lot for us to make suggestions.
I haven't mulliganed too aggressively and been fine for most games. I usually like to have a couple answers in my hand. I'm okay with two lands in my hand given how many we run. Any less then two lands and I usually toss it back in.
Any more then 3 and I usually toss it back in.
Hasn't happened often though. I usually get fairly good opening hands.
You just need to shuffle really wel after games. A couple games I lost due to poor shuffling causing a massive stack of lands to be stuck together.
I have to ask this here too - I play an WR vehicles deck (without gideon). -- Each and every post seems to suggest that vehicles are very strong vs UW flash. Yet I can't seem to win at all in this matchup over several days. I always seem to run out of gas & have to attack into an avacyn just to force things.
What is the weakness of this deck when running against rw vehicles?
Your weakness is you don't have Gideon. He is quite literally the most important card in your deck to protect against board wipes. You might also consider the Skyship as well against U/W flash. The way you win against U/W flash is clocking them faster then they can control you. Overwhelm them, and unless they pull Avacyn (Which your Giodeons Emblem will help against) they can only really go 1 for 1 most of the time.
Delirium just got a board wipe with a free cast Lili. Getting ridiculous.
I have a hard time believing that card is legitimate, as a player who predominately runs Delirium and has been for awhile, I cannot imagine they would give us a card to cast Liliana or even Grim Flayer for free after wiping the entire board and to make a it a rare at that.
If you have 4x Avacyn and you want to play her on curve, run 25. If you don't, you can run 24. That's what I do, though my deck is the Spirits build and not the standard one you see nowadays.
Also, with Smuggler's Copter, you can run 25 lands and simply discard the additional lands.
That makes sense. I don't run 4 Avacyn and I run 24 lands. I can see how that would be an issue if you ran 4 and not that many lands.
Alternatively, I have seen some sideboards with an Island in them just in case?
I was considering Jace against control decks, extra draw power and bounce. To combo with Reflector Mage. Rebuff does not work against Emrakul, it has protection from instants, only Summary Dissmisal works.
I dont have another two. I had ordered them last week and the holiday mail influx has slowed down the delivery time I suppose. I can make the swaps on the other two and see how it runs.
Tonight is just for fun, as its an FNM and my local play group is sick of my G/B Delirium deck and have made strong efforts to sideboard in a ton of hate for it. I think it will surprise them to see its a U/W flash deck.
As I am missing a few key cards, I have to make some adjustments in cards I am not happy about, but I hope this will do well enough.
Let me know your thoughts.
1 Skysovereign, Consul Flagship
2 Thalia, Heretic Cather
4 Reflector Mage
2 Selfless Spirit
4 Spell Queller
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Thraben Inspector
3 Rattlechains
3 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Always Watching
2 Negate
4 Smuggler's Copter
3 Stasis Snare
10 Plains
4 Port Town
4 Prairie Stream
1 Westvale Abbey
2 Jace Unraveler of Secrets
1 Linvala, the Preserver
3 Void Shatter
2 Gisela, the Broken Blade
1 Bruna, the Fading Light
2 Fragmatize
2 Blessed Alliance
I have both the Deep-Fiend and the Skyship, I was debating on running the Skyship already as a pseudo Avacyn Angel. I had not considered the Deep-Fiend though, it could be a good game finisher.
Moving more so on topic:
I have a very control oriented meta at my local shop, I am considering running this deck for FNM tomorrow night.
If I can recall, I have 1 Mono Black Edrazi, 1 Ramp Eldrazi (Very strong long game, aggro is the only deck that seems to beat this particular deck), 2 R/W Vehicles, one is very strong and the other isnt not as well built, 1 Aertherflux/Panharmonicon combo deck,possibly a Zombie deck, but am not sure if it has been completed yet and 3 BW control decks. "There are no G/B Delirium decks at my local meta unless I play mine, so I dont have to worry about that deck.
With that in mind, I feel these changes to the deck would be good.
4 Reflector Mage
4 Selfless Spirit
4 Spell Queller
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Thraben Inspector
3 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Always Watching
2 Negate
4 Smuggler's Copter
3 Stasis Snare
6 Island
10 Plains
4 Port Town
4 Prairie Stream
1 Westvale Abbey
2 Jace Unraveler of Secrets
1 Linvala, the Preserver
3 Void Shatter
2 Gisela, the Broken Blade
1 Bruna, the Fading Light
2 Fragmatize
2 Blessed Alliance
This is my proposed list. I am awaiting 2 Archangel Avacyn in the mail, so this list may change if I dont end up getting them in time. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thoughts?
I would probably look at running 4 Displacers, combo them with ThotKnot and drop the Mind Rots. I would consider running Kambal main deck and maybe drop the Ayli move in Grasp of Darkness for removal.
Just some ideas, I dont know how the deck runs nor what your plans are, but I do think it could be fun.
You may consider just going full fledged Black edrazi and splash white instead.
Though, you deck list does not at all relate to UW flash, so it is probably best to make a new thread or check out the mono black edrazi lists for some ideas.
What is your deck list. That would help a whole lot for us to make suggestions.
Any more then 3 and I usually toss it back in.
Hasn't happened often though. I usually get fairly good opening hands.
You just need to shuffle really wel after games. A couple games I lost due to poor shuffling causing a massive stack of lands to be stuck together.
Your weakness is you don't have Gideon. He is quite literally the most important card in your deck to protect against board wipes. You might also consider the Skyship as well against U/W flash. The way you win against U/W flash is clocking them faster then they can control you. Overwhelm them, and unless they pull Avacyn (Which your Giodeons Emblem will help against) they can only really go 1 for 1 most of the time.
I have a hard time believing that card is legitimate, as a player who predominately runs Delirium and has been for awhile, I cannot imagine they would give us a card to cast Liliana or even Grim Flayer for free after wiping the entire board and to make a it a rare at that.
But who knows, we has Langiush, so maybe.
That makes sense. I don't run 4 Avacyn and I run 24 lands. I can see how that would be an issue if you ran 4 and not that many lands.
Alternatively, I have seen some sideboards with an Island in them just in case?
Just an idea.
Mine is 24 and it seems to run okay so far.
Why did you dislike 25 lands?
I was considering Jace against control decks, extra draw power and bounce. To combo with Reflector Mage. Rebuff does not work against Emrakul, it has protection from instants, only Summary Dissmisal works.
1 Bruna, the Fading Light
2 Gisela, the Broken Blade
4 Reflector Mage
4 Selfless Spirit
4 Spell Queller
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Thraben Inspector
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Declaration in Stone
2 Skywhaler's Shot
4 Smuggler's Copter
3 Stasis Snare
10 Plains
4 Port Town
3 Prairie Stream
1 Westvale Abbey
2 Ceremonious Rejection
1 Declaration in Stone
1 Dovin Baan
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Immolating Glare
2 Negate
1 Summary Dismissal
2 Void Shatter
I have a few cards set aside as maybes for the sideboard:
Opinions on these? Would you make any changes, I have gone through a few draw cycles and have really liked my opening hands.