Sorry I had to replace out proph. I really wanted to play, but have found myself with very little time or enjoyment of being on the computer. It is too hard to get on and read without interruptions. Until this changes I cannot foresee signing up for any game.
I enjoyed reading the game, when I could. Good job to the town. I stated to think cythare was scum day 3, but it was weird reasoning. Swish played his town meta, which was why I was surprised he flipped scum.
I'm concerned about a bad game firing and hurting the reputation of the site. Especially if minor changes can be made to fix it. I've seen too many games lately that sucked even though they were reviewed, reviewers make mistakes too.
If people want to out because the game has issues, I would rather see them do it now instead of replacing out or feeling bad once the game started.
I think you both are correct and have valid points, in retrospect I think those issues should be addressed with the moderators by PM privately.
Also maybe now is the time for yet another discussion for the betterment of the forums. In MS all games have a cap time for the signups. If I remember well its two weeks, and after that games that are not filled are postponed for the next in line.
I think it's a healthy way to guarantee no game get stuck in the signups forever without hard feelings and that players are not forced to join just for the queue to move on (which is bad). How about one week for small games (12 or less players) and two weeks for big games?
Also lifting the "one at a time" requirement is a big mistake since it will just make both games have a hard time filling.
I know this was not the case with large normal games being hosted, as they were always harder to fill.
Typically there was no reason for the deadline and I think people use this because they wanted to join a game waiting for sign ups instead of joining the game taking sign ups.
If I may say something I thought about that may allieviate some.
The only thing I mentioned was what most people had problems with which was using a seperate account with a QT.
I have worked as a hydra as town and scum. I won as scum and I was killed night 1 as town. That was how strong the 2 of us worked together. (I worked with 2 different people in both games). Hydra's help either side.
That said I saw some mention about the lyncing of a player you still think is scum and them being alive. I don't think anyone thought about the other side of the coin where scum shoots a strong player and that player is not only alive but now considered town by all accounts.
With the bad there is good and vis versa.
I trust the reviews I just thought it would be a pain to log into and out of a QT with someone you are aligned with.
That said no matter how you decide to go with the QT G_D I would like to just specate.
Oh I forgot I think letting the mafia know and decide which person to kill in the hydra is huge!
This deffinately gives the scum the advantage in this game.
I don't mind the idea too much. Signing into and out of an alt account comes with the territory of hydra. I do however wish if both people are of the same alignment that the person you hydra with can be known.
I'm not saying X tells everyone they are playing with Y. I'm saying X and Y who are paired together know who each other are.
This way you do not have the pain of trying to hide in a QT your true self.
The game is still blind. The only issue I can see is mafia would have more info on who is who in the game.
How many times have you correctly determined Generic's alignment?
I know this was to sir k, but I will say sir k reads generic well, but typically he ask lots of questions and focus when he is suspicious. This game is attack, attack, vote hop, attack and use buzz words.
@gen: my lack of trust is because I'm reading you as more relaxed and you know swish plays badly as town yet you still vote for him and find him scummy. I just don't see why if you know how swish is you still think he is scum
@Sir Karn: The only games I know of you are the games we played together. I don’t have time for meta research.
Please post where you made a case on a player that did not use buzz words like bad and link your case to Void if I am so ****ing wrong.
@Tan post 302
This doesn’t really say much to me. I get the handwaving thought process about Swissh, but I’m not sure where you are coming from with Void. Please explain a bit more.
@Generic post 303
See my issue is a see a lot of players that skim read. I don’t call that opportunistic, it’s bad, it’s lazy and it stands out. Things like that I don’t see scum doing. Everyone reading the game is going to catch Void’s comment and call him on it. So how it is opportunistic does not make sense.
I lol’ed with the job interview comment.
@Generic and WG: Have you ever seen Sir Karn vote hop in a game before?
FTR I do not think swisssh is scum.
@Guardman post 305 Why is ignoring logic scummy? I thought you used meta sometimes when scum hunting?
There is no difference. What you need to decide is intent when he voted for me:
Honest error driving what he thought to be a genuine scum slip (based only on me not pressing you for a claim) or flawed opportunistic vote based on not reading my post properly before trying to get a wagon going on me...
No one is going to wagon a player based on flawed reasoning that is easy to see is completely wrong. If someone did, that player is (insert insult of choice here).
I'm not digging the dking lynch. I want more time to flesh out whether he's scum or just noob.
After looking at dkingsland's posts it is near obvious to me that he is Scum based on GIP. The only way he is not Scum is if dkingsland is capable of changing his play from game to game.
WHAAAATTT??
I have no idea what you mean? I have a feeling GIP means something but I don’t know.
Is this a meta thing? If so, please explain the meta reference.
The little one is calling me so this is a brief t/s with explanations coming later
The scum team didn't have to 'play brilliantly', the town was too busy getting screwed over by non-thread mechanics for the scum to have to worry about it. 2 of the scum team performed pitifully IMO, and were easily figured out in the spectator thread...and should have been lynched before this game ended. Not that it would have mattered ultimately, most likely.
I thought that Voxx's performance was fantastic. Literally one of the best mafioso performances I have ever experienced. I didn't believe that he was scum until it was more or less confirmed in the spectator thread. The town should probably be glad that the game just ended now, because I honestly don't think anyone was ever going to make a Voxx lynch happen successfully.
I see that the identity of the final scum hasn't been revealed, so I won't comment on that yet.
@MDenham: Hopefully this serves as a lesson to you, that you should read at least the last couple pages of a game BEFORE you replace into it. Because seriously, nobody should EVER have replaced into that spot. It is completely pointless to do so. Pinky should have just resigned herself to her fate and gotten lynched and gotten it over with when it would do the least damage. Actually she should have claimed her role with her very first post and requested to be Vigged, but that's something different.
I had some person issues I would rather not discuss come up during my time here. If anything the miscommunication on day 1 really hurt this town. If things had worked out day 1 with the lynch of 2 players like planed day 3 outburst would never had happened. What happened after I left is not my fault, MDeham had his own bad play moments, including threatening to vote himself.
As I stated in the QT I had not been a princess before and over at ms I never saw anyone ever need to claim it first post. Also there was no vig and I had the artifact to kill a player. I felt the self vote rule was a horrible idea to have in this game, especially with a princess role in the game.
Scum wouldn't bus each other to end RVS. I just can't imagine that being the case ever. Therefore, at least one of the two was town but the ambiguity of some of the posts made it hard to determine whether both were or one was and if only one then which one. If someone who is town is getting voted, I distrust motives.
I’m not going to disagree with your thought process on the votes from Cythare to Sir Karn and the back and forth. I just thought you believed both to be town.
@Generic: Why did you go on to make two RVS posts after RVS had clearly ended? And even if you wanted to get your "fun time" in, you still ignored the real things going on; you could have done both.
This quote is from [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10538238&postcount=54]post 54[/url]
Why are you lying?
You made it sound like I was asking about the content, where I was obviously not.
Also karn you asked gen to explain his rvs votes and then dropped it. If the answer was not important, why did you ask it?
Never did I ask him to "explain his rvs votes".
I asked specifically why Generic was making an RVS post after RVS had already ended. I didn't ask him why he was voting certain people - that read as natural RVS stuff.[/quote]
I feel like you are misinterpting me on purpose. You obviously asked a question about RVS.
Lets talk about you following others for a moment.
You only [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10538248&postcount=56]lol[/url] at swishh and don't ask a question
You then [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10539756&postcount=78]follow Tan's point against Swissh[/url]
Tanarin made a point, then I also made a point while agreeing with Tanarin. What's your point?
Your point was all about swisshh’s scum tell. How is that scummy? It reads as OMGUS. You don’t even ask questions, you just vote and call it a garbage vote.
Also, dking looks like scum as well. 113 is baaaad. His vote isn't any better.
And says nothing at all. No reason why just a blanket statement that shows no reasoning.
I thought it was obvious. Do you think DKing's post was good?
He throws insults at Generic.
Then makes an eyebrow without explaining it.
Then he barns you (oh, but since it's you that he's following, you won't say anything about it, right?).
Then he tries to say I made a big deal out of Tanarin's post when I simply asked a question, then left it alone when Tanarin provided an answer.
I didn’t like Dk’s post. It comes off arrogant and nasty. I don’t like people following me either, but I was curious what would come from the exchange between the two of you.
Why did you say nothing about DK’s vote before calling him out for post 113?
Why did you wait to say anything about how bad DK’s comment in post 113 was before Generic did?
You got here before a number of people did. Why singling out Pinky?
Cythare noted your question to Tan, which reads as serious. Your Fry expression is a look of not sure what to think if you read the smily.
So why does Cythare's discussion about your seriousness read scummy?
Why not?
Okay.
I see your and raise you a :cryo:. You're blowing his RVS vote out of proportion.
I'm blowing things out of proportion? I think you are now.
Is your vote serious or no?
Cythare is trying to tell everyone that I was "blowing his RVS vote out of proportion." when I simply asked one question then when he answered, let it be. I don't see AT ALL how that's blowing it out of proportion, and Cythare's hop on me for it is extremely predatory.
I really don’t like the bold. You are using the same verbage that Swisssh did.
Lastly I'm attacking you for following others and not explaining **** about your reasoning. I said nothing about your contrabution it is your following others I find scummy.
So you think my contributions are fine, but you don't like how I also agree with some other people's contributions while I'm at it?
Also, you're accusing me of not explaining my reasoning? You're wrong.
Where the hell are you saying and how do you even get to that conclusion?
I said I don’t like you following others views.
Really? I’m wrong.
So all my question you have stated why you specifically felt a certain way already in the game? You explain your reason’s before I asked and spelled out why you thought something about a post? Quote where you explained your reasoning about things.
@ pinky, I thought I had explained why karn is town to me, its funny because you are doing the exact same thing he is in throwing out a line of questions on things that in places are fairly immaterial.
But one thing I do find interesting, why are you trying to create a dichotomy between me and karn? I haven't figured out if you are goading an argument between us or trying to create a world where we are somehow working together, but either way if you are town I think you are going about things in the wrong way.
It's not a dichontomy I am trying to create. It's Sir Karn's lack of interaction with you I question. Usually in the past you two chat up a storm in past games. I find it a bit strange he is not interacting with you. When I think a player is scum there is one of two things I expect to happen when 2 players know each other well.
1) is scum will buddy up to the friend
2) is ignore their friend.
Sir Karn ignoring you is a ping on my scum radar for mostly ignoring you.
Generic didn't do anything I see as scummy yet. Where did I "ignore" him?
Unless I’m mistaken all you did was ask him one question and say very little after, till I said something to you about him.
Also, believe me, Generic and I have no problem bussing eachother.
Didn’t call you scum together.
@Gman: When in your lifetime have you ever lynched scum that fumbled on their words as much as Swisssh has done this game? How often is it town?
@Tan [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10543210&postcount=157]post 157[/url] I’m just trying to get a read on you. You are one of those I have a terrible time reading in games. After everything Swisssh has said, why do you still think he is scum?
@Generic [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10544851&postcount=161]post 161[/url] pfffffttttt. You know I get to scum hunting and ignore most others around me.
I’m working on trying to stop it.
Why did you ask Cythare about me only?
Who are your current scum reads besides DK and why?
On a side note I feel like slamming my head in a wall reading all the stats of probability of language tells. Of course people laughed at me when I called out pointless questions as a scum tell, but this one just is ridiculous.
@Swisshhh: Who is on your scum list and why?
[url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10549386&postcount=204]head explodes on OMGUS[/url]
[url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10549866&postcount=209]Look at the vote hop from this scummy player [/url]
Why does no one call out Sir Karn for vote hopping?
@void: Who are your current scum suspects?
@Generic: [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10550105&postcount=223]post 223[/url] How is Void’s vote against you opportunistic? Flawed yes, Opportunistic????
@Sir Karn [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10550163&postcount=224]post 224[/ur] How is this scum void meta?
@Generic [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10551152&postcount=240]post 240[/url] Do you really think DK and Swisssh are scum together after reading the interaction between the two of them? If so why?
I don't know about Generic or anyone else, but I've developed a crippling anxiety that no matter how erratic, contradictory, predatory, opportunistic, aggressive, or otherwise scummy you may behave, you will flip town.
The days I wish for a pot calling a kettle smiley.
Dear lord why are more people not voting for Sir Karn.
He has taken misreprestentation to a whole new world. His vote on Void is meta, with no explanation and opportunistically jumped on the DK wagon for weak ass reasons. The only time I see Sir Karn post is to attack and I know he can carry a civil conversation in thread when asked questions. Instead he is aggressive, dismissive, and all over the place. I'm used to structure with Sir Karn, focus on certain individuals with solid reasoning.
I need a few people to answer my questions before I can have a final scum/town list.
Generic voted me in RVS and it was obviously being silly. Why would I react to it?
I didn't ask Generic to explain his RVS stuff; Wheat did.
Again you say nothing to or about this.
The only thing I have seen you do was omgus over react to cythare and follow others views. My question is why? Why did you ignore generic a d why are u following others?
First, I say nothing about it because he's obviously being silly and there is nothing to say about it.
I don't believe that I overreacted to Cythare. His push was awful and doesn't look townie at all, in my opinion.
I have done much more than just "follow other's views." You're making me think that you aren't even reading my posts, pinky. I've made points against both Cythare and Swishh. The fact that I haven't made EVERY point shouldn't be a problem.
Lastly, why are you attacking /me/ for not contributing enough (which is false), while there are others who are on a wagon with far less basis (off the top of my head: dking and Cythare).
You did say something about his RVS votes:
@Generic: Why did you go on to make two RVS posts after RVS had clearly ended? And even if you wanted to get your "fun time" in, you still ignored the real things going on; you could have done both.
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Why are you lying?
Lets talk about you following others for a moment.
You only [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10538248&postcount=56]lol[/url] at swishh and don't ask a question
You then [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10539756&postcount=78]follow Tan's point against Swissh[/url]
This post is following Generic
You got here before a number of people did. Why singling out Pinky?
Cythare noted your question to Tan, which reads as serious. Your Fry expression is a look of not sure what to think if you read the smily.
So why does Cythare's discussion about your seriousness read scummy?
Why not?
Okay.
I see your and raise you a :cryo:. You're blowing his RVS vote out of proportion.
I'm blowing things out of proportion? I think you are now.
Is your vote serious or no?
Lastly I'm attacking you for following others and not explaining **** about your reasoning. I said nothing about your contrabution it is your following others I find scummy.
@ pinky, I thought I had explained why karn is town to me, its funny because you are doing the exact same thing he is in throwing out a line of questions on things that in places are fairly immaterial.
But one thing I do find interesting, why are you trying to create a dichotomy between me and karn? I haven't figured out if you are goading an argument between us or trying to create a world where we are somehow working together, but either way if you are town I think you are going about things in the wrong way.
It's not a dichontomy I am trying to create. It's Sir Karn's lack of interaction with you I question. Usually in the past you two chat up a storm in past games. I find it a bit strange he is not interacting with you. When I think a player is scum there is one of two things I expect to happen when 2 players know each other well.
1) is scum will buddy up to the friend
2) is ignore their friend.
Sir Karn ignoring you is a ping on my scum radar for mostly ignoring you.
@WG:
I'm not sure if this question is addressed to me or Karn. If it is addressed to me, let me know and I'll answer it.[/url]
That was suppossed to be a question to you.
[quote=WG]swishh thought Cythare was scum, but then very quickly switched to Sir Karn. I distrusted the motives of people thinking Sir Karn was scum, and also distrusted the motives of people thinking Cythare was scum. swishh was in both categories.
Why?????
**Just a note for me, look into vote count and reasons for both sides:
@sir karn: I meant post 60. What did you think of what generic said
He explained his RVS "reads" on Wheat, Guard, and Karn. (Which I didn't have a problem with in the first place.)
Then he said why he wasn't feeling the Cythare wagon. (Which read reasonably.)
Then he said the only thing in the post which stuck out to me. ("Swishh will inevitably be scum.") It's not even a necessarily scummy thing to say, and it doesn't read as particularly serious either. It just stuck out to me for some reason.
Is there anything I'm missing that he said? Why are you asking me about this post in particular? It doesn't seem very important to me at all.
Generic voted for you. You did not interact with him.
Then in post 60 all he say about you was this:
Then I spotted my nemesis was in this, sir karn. He is scum guys, he was seen at the corlioni household (any clearer on whether my comments are serious?
Again you say nothing to or about this. The only thing I have seen you do was omgus over react to cythare and follow others views.
My question is why? Why did you ignore generic a d why are u following others?
I enjoyed reading the game, when I could. Good job to the town. I stated to think cythare was scum day 3, but it was weird reasoning. Swish played his town meta, which was why I was surprised he flipped scum.
I know this was not the case with large normal games being hosted, as they were always harder to fill.
Typically there was no reason for the deadline and I think people use this because they wanted to join a game waiting for sign ups instead of joining the game taking sign ups.
The only thing I mentioned was what most people had problems with which was using a seperate account with a QT.
I have worked as a hydra as town and scum. I won as scum and I was killed night 1 as town. That was how strong the 2 of us worked together. (I worked with 2 different people in both games). Hydra's help either side.
That said I saw some mention about the lyncing of a player you still think is scum and them being alive. I don't think anyone thought about the other side of the coin where scum shoots a strong player and that player is not only alive but now considered town by all accounts.
With the bad there is good and vis versa.
I trust the reviews I just thought it would be a pain to log into and out of a QT with someone you are aligned with.
That said no matter how you decide to go with the QT G_D I would like to just specate.
Thanks
This deffinately gives the scum the advantage in this game.
I don't mind the idea too much. Signing into and out of an alt account comes with the territory of hydra. I do however wish if both people are of the same alignment that the person you hydra with can be known.
I'm not saying X tells everyone they are playing with Y. I'm saying X and Y who are paired together know who each other are.
This way you do not have the pain of trying to hide in a QT your true self.
The game is still blind. The only issue I can see is mafia would have more info on who is who in the game.
If that happens I would play this game.
I know this was to sir k, but I will say sir k reads generic well, but typically he ask lots of questions and focus when he is suspicious. This game is attack, attack, vote hop, attack and use buzz words.
@gen: my lack of trust is because I'm reading you as more relaxed and you know swish plays badly as town yet you still vote for him and find him scummy. I just don't see why if you know how swish is you still think he is scum
Please post where you made a case on a player that did not use buzz words like bad and link your case to Void if I am so ****ing wrong.
@Tan post 302
This doesn’t really say much to me. I get the handwaving thought process about Swissh, but I’m not sure where you are coming from with Void. Please explain a bit more.
@Generic post 303
See my issue is a see a lot of players that skim read. I don’t call that opportunistic, it’s bad, it’s lazy and it stands out. Things like that I don’t see scum doing. Everyone reading the game is going to catch Void’s comment and call him on it. So how it is opportunistic does not make sense.
I lol’ed with the job interview comment.
@Generic and WG: Have you ever seen Sir Karn vote hop in a game before?
FTR I do not think swisssh is scum.
@Guardman post 305 Why is ignoring logic scummy? I thought you used meta sometimes when scum hunting?
@Generic post 318 Why the vote on Swisssh?
No one is going to wagon a player based on flawed reasoning that is easy to see is completely wrong. If someone did, that player is (insert insult of choice here).
WHAAAATTT??
I have no idea what you mean? I have a feeling GIP means something but I don’t know.
Is this a meta thing? If so, please explain the meta reference.
The little one is calling me so this is a brief t/s with explanations coming later
Town:
Tan
Swissh
Cythare
Do not trust at this moment:
Generic
Guardman
Not enough info:
Hans
Atogaholic
void
scum:
Sir Karn
DK
WG
I had some person issues I would rather not discuss come up during my time here. If anything the miscommunication on day 1 really hurt this town. If things had worked out day 1 with the lynch of 2 players like planed day 3 outburst would never had happened. What happened after I left is not my fault, MDeham had his own bad play moments, including threatening to vote himself.
As I stated in the QT I had not been a princess before and over at ms I never saw anyone ever need to claim it first post. Also there was no vig and I had the artifact to kill a player. I felt the self vote rule was a horrible idea to have in this game, especially with a princess role in the game.
I’m not going to disagree with your thought process on the votes from Cythare to Sir Karn and the back and forth. I just thought you believed both to be town.
Never did I ask him to "explain his rvs votes".
I asked specifically why Generic was making an RVS post after RVS had already ended. I didn't ask him why he was voting certain people - that read as natural RVS stuff.[/quote]
I feel like you are misinterpting me on purpose. You obviously asked a question about RVS.
Your point was all about swisshh’s scum tell. How is that scummy? It reads as OMGUS. You don’t even ask questions, you just vote and call it a garbage vote.
I didn’t like Dk’s post. It comes off arrogant and nasty. I don’t like people following me either, but I was curious what would come from the exchange between the two of you.
Why did you say nothing about DK’s vote before calling him out for post 113?
Why did you wait to say anything about how bad DK’s comment in post 113 was before Generic did?
I really don’t like the bold. You are using the same verbage that Swisssh did.
Where the hell are you saying and how do you even get to that conclusion?
I said I don’t like you following others views.
Really? I’m wrong.
So all my question you have stated why you specifically felt a certain way already in the game? You explain your reason’s before I asked and spelled out why you thought something about a post? Quote where you explained your reasoning about things.
Unless I’m mistaken all you did was ask him one question and say very little after, till I said something to you about him.
Didn’t call you scum together.
@Gman: When in your lifetime have you ever lynched scum that fumbled on their words as much as Swisssh has done this game? How often is it town?
@Tan [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10543210&postcount=157]post 157[/url] I’m just trying to get a read on you. You are one of those I have a terrible time reading in games. After everything Swisssh has said, why do you still think he is scum?
@Generic [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10544851&postcount=161]post 161[/url] pfffffttttt. You know I get to scum hunting and ignore most others around me.
I’m working on trying to stop it.
Why did you ask Cythare about me only?
Who are your current scum reads besides DK and why?
On a side note I feel like slamming my head in a wall reading all the stats of probability of language tells. Of course people laughed at me when I called out pointless questions as a scum tell, but this one just is ridiculous.
@Swisshhh: Who is on your scum list and why?
[url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10549386&postcount=204]head explodes on OMGUS[/url]
[url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10549866&postcount=209]Look at the vote hop from this scummy player [/url]
Why does no one call out Sir Karn for vote hopping?
@void: Who are your current scum suspects?
@Generic: [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10550105&postcount=223]post 223[/url] How is Void’s vote against you opportunistic? Flawed yes, Opportunistic????
@Sir Karn [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10550163&postcount=224]post 224[/ur] How is this scum void meta?
@Generic [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10551152&postcount=240]post 240[/url] Do you really think DK and Swisssh are scum together after reading the interaction between the two of them? If so why?
The days I wish for a pot calling a kettle smiley.
Dear lord why are more people not voting for Sir Karn.
He has taken misreprestentation to a whole new world. His vote on Void is meta, with no explanation and opportunistically jumped on the DK wagon for weak ass reasons. The only time I see Sir Karn post is to attack and I know he can carry a civil conversation in thread when asked questions. Instead he is aggressive, dismissive, and all over the place. I'm used to structure with Sir Karn, focus on certain individuals with solid reasoning.
I need a few people to answer my questions before I can have a final scum/town list.
You did say something about his RVS votes:
This quote is from [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10538238&postcount=54]post 54[/url]
Why are you lying?
Lets talk about you following others for a moment.
You only [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10538248&postcount=56]lol[/url] at swishh and don't ask a question
You then [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10539756&postcount=78]follow Tan's point against Swissh[/url]
This post is following Generic
And says nothing at all. No reason why just a blanket statement that shows no reasoning.
Now lets discuss Cythare for a moment.
What is scummy about this post that you made against him?
Lastly I'm attacking you for following others and not explaining **** about your reasoning. I said nothing about your contrabution it is your following others I find scummy.
It's not a dichontomy I am trying to create. It's Sir Karn's lack of interaction with you I question. Usually in the past you two chat up a storm in past games. I find it a bit strange he is not interacting with you. When I think a player is scum there is one of two things I expect to happen when 2 players know each other well.
1) is scum will buddy up to the friend
2) is ignore their friend.
Sir Karn ignoring you is a ping on my scum radar for mostly ignoring you.
@WG:
Why?????
**Just a note for me, look into vote count and reasons for both sides:
Generic voted for you. You did not interact with him.
Then in post 60 all he say about you was this:
Again you say nothing to or about this. The only thing I have seen you do was omgus over react to cythare and follow others views.
My question is why? Why did you ignore generic a d why are u following others?