See, we see who all dies tomorrow, and then go and hopefully have more information to go on.
Well, C yall in the morning
Nice. You can post when the day is over, but when the day is happening you are lurking. Really helpful.
I've got to agree strongly with Well on this. If you've got nothing to say, no attempt to add to the game or even comment on what the rest of us have posted, what did you even join the game for. That goes for several other players too.
BBtigger, you seem very confident that you will be around in the morning. I guess that comes from not having to worry about the mafia going after you, for what reason? Your lack of posts?, or your lack insightful analysis?, or is it because of some other reason?
I saw Mr DiFranco's vote and thought ah ha!
Then I went back and looked at his posts leading up to the vote. Based on the content of his posts I've got no problem with his vote and I think that it was, at this point, the right thing to do. Tonight we will have a good deal of information to comb from the posts, from the lack of posts by some and from the results of the night activities. Much of the information that will be gained from the posts was there a long time ago. It will just be more easily seen by some after the results of the lynch is revealed.
On to the night.
I hope to see you all, even you notstevie92, in the morning.
I have a question, will you to stop playing mean and be freinds? Long posts can be usefull, such as pbpa's but long posts that say nothing other than that you think he misspelled a word so he has a plan to lynch somebody and so must be scuym, are 1 not helpfull to the discussion, 2 completly crazy, and 3 annoying to read. I know my posts were bad earlier but I am trying to clean up and get a second chace to look at that grammar book I have somewhere. The reason Amnesiac is scummy is because he is lurking other than answering our question after he did his scummy actions. So please chill down and let each other not worry that each word will be scarmbled trying to spell scum.
Ah, good to see you falling back into character. After all that early work it would have been a shame to let it go to waste. :wink3:
As for playing mean, I really hadn’t thought that I was. I certainly was not trying to be mean. I would be happy to play nice with him, but at the moment, I'm fishing for reactions. I'm very happy with the ones I've gotten so far. So, If anyone has taken any of my posts as an attempt by to be mean to them, all I can say is you are WRONG and don’t be such a creampuff.
@inhungry: So Amnesiac is not just a lurker. He appearently did something scummy and when questioned on it he went back to lurking. Ok, that does make more sense then just targeting a random lurker. What scummy actions are you talking about?
I know it's a terrible temptation, but could certain folks not answer questions I put to specific players other then them? It would be nice to see what the person questioned says without having someone else's point of view imposed on them.
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Blood thirsty indeed. I'm pretty confident that Emerys is stretching evidence. Very little he's said against NotStevie holds much ground and his apparant urge to end the day, but unwillingness to do so himself seem ridiculous to me. UberFos Emerys I'd vote for you, but I still want Amnesiac to come forward.
Everyone Knows having an appearent urge to end the day, but unwillingness to do so himself is a Mafia Tell, but it's not ridiculous.
Uberfos Emerys?
Is that supposed to do anything?
You're appearent urge to end my voicing my suspicions, but unwillingness to try to start a bandwagon to do so yourself, seems ridiculous to me.
@Notstevie: In reality though, when we lynch Imhungry, the mafia will most likely kill one of our talkers and we'll be worse off then we are now.
Imhungry has cleaned up nicely. As I'm still unconvinced that he's scum, how about we continue to build pressure on Amnesiac? Or maybe try Mozart? Both strike me as possible scum.
The mafia are going to do that regardless of who we lynch.
What makes Amnesiac and Mozart strike you as scummy or more scummy the the newly spiffed up Inhungry?
They've been lurking and bandwagoning, whereas imhungry is simply losing a popularity contest.
Mr DiFranco, I hate to have to ask you the same question again, but I am interested in your reasons for suspecting Amnesiac and Mozart.
What about them makes you think they are scummier then imhungry?
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If you want, you can imagine that it's already a new day. Imhungry was just lynched, and proved to be a townie, which is the most probable outcome. Morris was roleblocked, and the doctor prevented a kill. A lurker wagon has already started on Amnesiac. Now, where do we go from here?
If you want to engage in this mental exercise why haven’t you done it already? You’ve been calling for the blood thirsty mod to hold off lynching Inhungery and engage in productive discussion for days now. But that’s it. Why don’t you move to the next step if you are convinced Inhungry is innocent? In all that time all you have come up with is the let’s lynch a lurker idea.
I already am: hence the vote for Amnesiac. But you do raise an interesting point. Now that the little trap has sparked some more discussion, and yet another desperate, illogical attack from you, perhaps we do have a better target than Amnesiac already available.
FOS: Emerys.
Little trap?, don't you mean your diabolical plan? The omgus FOS plan.
Question for you notstevie92, what exactly do I have to be desperate about?
@Notstevie: In reality though, when we lynch Imhungry, the mafia will most likely kill one of our talkers and we'll be worse off then we are now.
Imhungry has cleaned up nicely. As I'm still unconvinced that he's scum, how about we continue to build pressure on Amnesiac? Or maybe try Mozart? Both strike me as possible scum.
The mafia are going to do that regardless of who we lynch.
What makes Amnesiac and Mozart strike you as scummy or more scummy the the newly spiffed up Inhungry?
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Look, pal.
I want to go on record that I’m not comfortable with your using endearing terms when addressing me.
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Lynching imhungry really isn't going to change the situation jack squat from what it is now.
This one is too easy. It must be a trap.
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We're already pretty confident he's a townie, nothing special is likely to happen with the night-kills, and we can't count on Morris to do our work for us. We gain almost no new information by moving on to the next day. We're looking at the same situation.
I’m pretty confident, that you were pretty confident that he was a townie when you started up the Imhungry bandwagon that will never die. I’m pretty confident, that you were pretty confident that he was a townie when you backed off the bandwagon and hoped to look like the voice of reason when the blood thirsty mob, you whipped into a frenzy, lynches him.
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So in the absence of any extra flavor or background, the only thing that we can ever do is talk more. And right now, we can gain quite a bit by rooting out our chronic lurkers and sending them to the gallows, if they refuse to come to ground. And since most of us seem relatively unconvinced that imhungry is blatantly scum, we get the chance to save his life, and put a real mafia agent down for the count, or at least nail someone who was refusing to participate and increase the amount of discussion occurring.
So, let me see if I understand you right. You are in favor of lynching a lurker, who refuses to post. You are in favor of this because we will gain more information from the lynching of someone who does not post the from the lynching of someone that eight of the players in the game already have felt justified in voting to lynch.
But notstevie, what if that lurker is a townie? What if they just don’t have anything to add to the game or resent being forced to post by the threat of a noose?
You know, it is said, it is NEVER a good thing to lynch a townie.
But here you are, and others, who argued that tired line now discussing possibly doing exactly that, under the guise of lynching a lurker.
How is lynching a lurker a better option than lynching Inhungery? Let me answer that for you, it is not. That is unless the lurker suddenly spills his guts with all kinds of damaging info in his last post.
Yeah, that happens all the time.
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If the town goes all ADHD, and forgets that patience and discussion are its greatest virtues, then we'll only have ourselves to blame if we lose.
It’s day one. The game will not be won or lost on the basis if the first lynch we make. It will however be helped along in the towns favor by lynching the player we feel most likely to be mafia or the player whose lynching we stand to learn the most from. Ideally that is the same player. Unfortunately for me, the player I think most likely to be mafia is the player we would learn the second most from if we were to lynch them.
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If you want, you can imagine that it's already a new day. Imhungry was just lynched, and proved to be a townie, which is the most probable outcome. Morris was roleblocked, and the doctor prevented a kill. A lurker wagon has already started on Amnesiac. Now, where do we go from here?
If you want to engage in this mental exercise why haven’t you done it already? You’ve been calling for the blood thirsty mod to hold off lynching Inhungery and engage in productive discussion for days now. But that’s it. Why don’t you move to the next step if you are convinced Inhungry is innocent? In all that time all you have come up with is the let’s lynch a lurker idea.
That there paint’s lookin like it’s about dry, don’t you think?
Well now, I’m not comfortable with just figuring it’s dry when we haven’t talked about it enough, yet. Let’s just talk about it some more. There’s no rush. Heck!, we’ve only been looking at this here paint since 07-29-2005, 11:19 PM. Yep, there’s lot’s more to talk about.
Yep.
So, you figure that there paint’s lookin dry yet?
You know, I kinda think you might be right. Maybe we do need to talk some more about it. I mean, if there’s more to say about it, we should take the time to say it. That’s what I think.
Yep.
Hey, guys! What if someone were to try touching the paint, maybe in an out of the way spot, that would not be noticed and could easily be touched up. That way we’d know for sure if the paint was dry. Then we could move on.
What!?, are you crazy? I don’t know, that there sounds like that would be bad to me.
Yeah, I think even suggesting that we touch the paint is pretty suspicious, if you ask me. hat kind of person would want to do something like that? I mean we aren’t done talking about it yet.
You know, I kinda think you might be right. Maybe we do need to talk some more about it. I mean, if there’s more to say about it, we should take the time to say it. That’s what I think.
I'm fairly certain that most people were able to recognize notstevie's post as not being a direct qoutation. He could have said it while avoiding any confusion, but his point was basically that you haven't added anything new to your arguments, and nobody really got on your bandwagon to begin with.
I hadn't added anything to my argument because I did not need to. I tried to clarify any details that might have not been clear, but that is all.
My argumant is there for everyone to see and agree with, or not.
If someone does not agree with my argument, then move on.
If they don't agree with my reasoning let them come up with their own line of reasoning, look for coroborating evidence in the posts and then present it themselves.
In fact, I encourage than to do so.
HunterDuck - You must have been waiting all game to do that. I hope it felt good.
Are you going to reply to my post with some better reasoning instead of just spouting off the same old poorly supported argument with nothing new to add?
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Nope.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and figure that you were just trying to be funny when you posted that FORGED post that had my name on it.
If you wanted to make your point all you had to do was post, maybe making it bold "I guess not" or something else along those lines.
In the future DO NOT FORGE anymore posts with my name on them.
This may not be against the rules technically, but I personally consider it CHEATING.
I hope I have made myself clear.
I see 2 problems with Emerys' attack on NotStevie. First, it's based on the argument that NotStevie has had little content in his posts. This would normally be scummy, but there really isn't a lot to talk about. As a matter of fact, most of the thread is fluff, so why he chose to attack NotStevie for it is beyond me.
Granted, there has been little to talk about, but he has not even suggested a new line of thinking. All he has done is agreed or casually commented on someone elses thoughts or tried to engage in post generating, meaningless discussions.
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He also seems to believe that shooting down a bad plan is scummy. For those of you who are unfamiliar, I suggest you check out Shaman Mafia for an example of a bad claiming plan.
Since it's obvious that many people are simple vanilla townie's without any sort of role, the mafia could just claim basic townies, then start killing off anyone who didn't claim vanilla and eventually kill our doctor. We don't want that to happen. I'm going to FOS Emerys for suggesting that NotStevie's rejection of this idea was "scummy." I am aware that his arguement was that NotStevie was just shooting down other plans while contributing none of his own, but just because you don't have a good idea doesn't mean you should sit back and watch people execute a bad one.
So, his attempts to immediately squelch discussion on the two ideas that were put forth to try to limit the mafia's options were BOTH bad ideas and he was right to shoot them down and try to keep them form being discussed? I agree that if I saw an idea that was put forth that would hurt the town's chances that I would speak out against it. BUT in both of the ideas that notStevie piped out against would not have hurt the town and neither of them was a BAD idea.
They were just two new ideas that might possibly help the town. So, of course he just had to speak out against them.
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Emerys dispite your long pbpa on NotStevie I still don't belive he is mafia. He has been active and relevent to the discussion. Now I still don't see how someone who thinks that lynching townies is bad = scum. It is never good to lynch a townie.... It might be ok to lynch a lurker or someone irrelevent (like me cause I know thats how you would respond to that statement). But because you win if you kill Mafia not townies, you tend to want to kill Mafia. As for your other points the Amnesiac thing umm... ya that was real scummy but only 2 people picked up on it. Look even if he tried to find out if I am faking or not he might not suceed (im not fakin btw).
Sigh.
I'm not going into the lynch townie ALWAYS BAD discussion again.
If you don't understand it, you simply don't understand it.
I am voting for notstevie92 for some very specific reasons and I have posted them.
Once again, you can either agree with me or not. No where in my posts did I ask anyone to vote for him. If you read my reasons for voting for notstevie92 and find that you agree with them make your own decision.
Ask yourselves, at this point in the game, what does a mafia player look like?
How do you pick them out of the crowd?
At this point in the game they are trying their best to look as much like a reasonable townie as possible WITHOUT posting anything that could be constued as scummy. That means there is going to be a lot of posts with little or no content, various attempts to engage in discussions that add nothing to the effort to really identify the mafia, lots of throw away lines, ala I was trying to figure out if Imhungry is faking, that never get followed through on and if a line of reasoning does come up that might actually help find the mafia they will subtly try to squelch it.
notstevie92 has done all these things and has on two occations tried to squelch ideas that could very well help narrow down the mafia's options.
Like I said earlier, if you don't agree with me, fine.
Continue to with other lines of reasoning to find mafia.
If someone comes up with a more comvincing case I'd be happy to look at it, but I'm very comfortable with where my vote is right now.
so, despite your PBPA... you're leaving your vote where it is. no suspicion on notstevie or anything - what?
My point is not that he posts like a townie.
It's that he posts, frequently, like a player trying very much to look like a townie but with little to no content to his posts.
He posts like a player who likes to get involved with discussions that generate a lot of posts but add nothing to our efforts to catch mafia.
Finally he posts like a player trying to muffle new and possibly valuable lines of inquery.
You also missed the post I made prior to the PBPA, where I unvoted I'mhungry and voted for notstevie92.
In that post I did not post all my reasons for voting for him because I wanted to see how he responded.
The PBPA is to clarify exactly why I think he's mafia.
So, after being gone for a week and diligently reading the thread to catch up and constructively contribute to the game, this is what you post?
Tell me, how, exactly does this add, in any way, to the current discussion?
It helps show how the way in which you were writing off newbie townies as an acceptable loss is a horrible strategy, which lets the town know not to trust you fully.
That is a mischaracterization of what I said.
Several people made an indepth discussion of the value of information that is generated when townies play so poorly that they get themselves lynched. Anyone who missed it can easily go back and actually read the discussion. Judging from how off you are on the actual discussion, you might benefit from doing just that.
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This and the next post you made, look exactly like a mafia player returning to the game after being away and wanting to sound like he's a townie who has actively followed the game.
...and townies don't want to let other townies know that they have been keeping up with the game too, amirite?
No, they certainly do. They usually do it with posts that add something to the current discussion or an new line of thought designed to find mafia. Mafia try to do the same thing and they almost always post contentless fluff, old, safe lines of thought or simply agree with others. In other words they post just like you did.
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I PMed Unsan to let everyone that I was going to be gone for an entire week, and then I returned. I was forced to lurk due to family obligations, and then I announced that I had de-lurked. If you honestly think that something as simple as that is scummy, I don't know what to say to you. It sounds to me like you're really stretching an ordinary event into something else in order to create a target.
And you are telling me this, why?
I never asked why you were gone or if you notified anyone.
I never said you were lurking.
I said that you claimed to have just got back from wherever and that you re-read the thread but after this re-reading all you could come up with was two posts one of which was completely meaningless.
I also said your other post was a reiteration of an old, played out tangent that adds zero to the current discussion.
I said that this looked like it was just an attempt to make yourself look a townie trying to add the discussion and find mafia, but actually doing nothing.
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In looking over your other posts I'm seeing the same pattern of lack of content as well.
I think nearly all of my posts in this thread have been on topic.
you mean like this post and the post it alludes to?
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fishy.... so almost claiming to a point where u call it fake and then getting mad at somebody who thinks u claimed is not fishy?
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I dunno. Trying to get people killed by the mod on day one for doing nothing seems more fishy to me. I think if you read the thread it's not hard to see I was kidding around. I didn't think I would even need to say anything about it.
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The fact that you invested so many posts to engage in a seemingly meaningless exchange with Imhungry leads me to think that it might have been a staged exchange.
I had my reasons. I probably shouldn't talk about them right now, but what I was really trying to do was to figure out whether imhungry was faking his posting style, or not. That way, if he was pretending, that'd be a pretty good indicator that not everything was right with him.
Hmmm, that's interesting.
You were trying to figure out if he was faking, if he was pretending to be stupid or not.
Did you ever figure anything out on that? Since this is still a topic of some discussion right now I would have thought all the effort you put into figuring this out would have netted you some thoughts that you could have added to the discussion. You even posted that that was what you were doing during your long series of posts with Imhungery in this post.
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Rikos, I assumed there was no SK because there was only one kill.
imhungry and not stevie should shut up. You guys are just filling the thread with nothing. It was said that we aren't supposed to reveal our own accounts, so I don't think that we should discuss that. And if you're going to do so, do it in less words.
imhungry, learn English.
duberz, nobody loves you.
So with such a simple set up, how do we root out scum?
Probably by actually talking to one another, or as you call it, "filling the thread with nothing".
I had some ideas of what was going on with imhungry, and I tried to follow it up. That's a lot better than just sitting around doing nothing, or complaining about the setup.
As for me, I don't really care how bad imhungry's typing is, as long as we can read it. I was more worried about the chance he might be faking it, to hide who he really is. I don't think we can tell for sure if he is though, and I think voting against him just cause he doesn't capitalize his sentences is a pretty scummy excuse for a vote.
You did not post any of your conclusions and right after this you jumped at the chance to vote Batman for reasons that amounted to nothing.
You next post:
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Does anyone want to speculate on the role that music will be playing in this game? So far the only reference we all know about is that anyonebutme is a townie "with a beat".
I dunno if we'll get much out of talking about that right now. We have no clue what the mafia might be, and we can't claim them to death very easily, so we'd probably end up just giving the mob free information.
Nothing regarding your conclusions on Imhungery and here you effectively try to shut down a new, and reasonable line of thought posed by Wolfgang Amadeus.
Wolfgang Amadeus then proposes another new idea to try to limit the mafia's ability to false claim noob and you again try to shut down this new line of thought. You, again have no thoughts to add of your own and no conclusions regarding all the effort you put into figuring out Imhungery.
Here in post #222
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@notstevie- anything new to say about either batman or imhungry?
Not really. I just got back from a friend's, and I'm still having trouble figuring out whether they are just silly or scum. Hard to say for sure right now.
Not really. I just got back from a friend's, and I'm still having trouble figuring out whether they are just silly or scum. Hard to say for sure right now.
Wolfgang Amadeus calls you on this lack of content and follow through on little content that you did post.
You've got nothing. It's been 112 posts since you said you were engaging in that long series of posts with Imhungery to figure out if he was faking, mafia or whatever and you still have nothing.
In your next post you unvote batman, vote rikos. Jumping on the rikos bandwagon after Morris reveals he inspected rikos.
next post you state you will be gone for the weekend. Nothing else.
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im going to vote imhungry as well.
noone calls me stupid
WTF? Don't vote for people because you're mad at them, vote for them because you think they are scum. That is a pretty silly excuse for joining a bandwagon. FOS: amnesiac.
Other then the verbal hand slap there is nothing new added to the game here. This just is an attempt to make yourself look active.
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1 imhungry has a very strong chance of being mafia. this is on top of the reasons we had from yesterday.
Maybe. I still don't trust him. But on the other hand, sometimes mafia kill people who attack townies to make the townies look bad.
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2 since the style used by wolfgang is more threatening to the mafia than the style used by, say, batman in his attack on imhungry, we should all try to be more like wolfgang and less like batman.
Yup. Sounds good to me..
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3 any information we have on people's musical "flavor text" may be useful in determining their scum/townie affiliation.
I'm not sure if that's one of the reasons they killed him. They probably did it just because he talked alot.
Still not very sure if we want to mass claim yet. Does your flavor info make it seem like it could be useful to us? I'm not sure we'd get very much from mine.
So, after all the thought and effort you put into figuring out if Imhungery was faking or mafia, you still don't trust him, you don't vote for him and you suggest he might be the target of an elaborate mafia scheme to frame him into looking even more like scum than he made himself look.
Morris states agian the idea of looking at our role information to try to use it to id mafia.
You again, like you did when Wolfgang Amadeus suggested similar ideas, try to cast doubt on the effectiveness of the idea and sidetrack the effort.
Next post:
your pretend to not see the value in using information gained when a townie plays so poorly that they get lynched.
You then dissappear and return with the posts I originally commented on.
Which brings me back to this:
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In looking over your other posts I'm seeing the same pattern of lack of content as well.
I think nearly all of my posts in this thread have been on topic.
I did not even go into the long series of post you had with imhungry about nothing and the contentless posts you made prior to that. You've been posting to try to look active with adding little to nothing to the discussion. Other then myself the players that have commented on this have been Morris who is doctor protected and Wolfgang Amadeus, who is now dead.
I think I will leave my vote where it is and add FOS: Imhungry.
If everyone in this game is as dumb as they are trying to appear, I'm going to be very surprised. That kind of deception does little or nothing to help the town, guys.
After reading the rest of your post I see what you mean.
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It's already been said in part, but ugh. You can't excuse poor lynches for the town just cause they give you information. Lynching mafia gives you information too, and it helps you win the game much faster. The town can't afford to be careless with lynches and kill people just cause they are weak players, they've got to aim at scum, from day one until the end of the game. It might be a little "unrealistic" goal, but it's a helluva lot better to aim high and fall a little short than to aim low and shoot yourself in the foot.
So, after being gone for a week and diligently reading the thread to catch up and constructively contribute to the game, this is what you post?
Tell me, how, exactly does this add, in any way, to the current discussion?
This and the next post you made, look exactly like a mafia player returning to the game after being away and wanting to sound like he's a townie who has actively followed the game.
In looking over your other posts I'm seeing the same pattern of lack of content as well.
The fact that you invested so many posts to engage in a seemingly meaningless exchange with Imhungry leads me to think that it might have been a staged exchange.
I still think that Imhungery is vote worthy at this point but I think you are too. Unvote: Imhungery
VOTE:notstevie92
For someone who has been the magnet for most of the suspicion today, you are doing much to make yourself look like a townie. A blatant bandwagon reeks of someone grabbing at the chance to stay alive longer... the porblem is, you'd probally do that regardless of whether you were mafia or town.
Not to mention the fact the Heywould Youblowme has over-reacted to some harmless fos's, and then not handled the votes put onto him for this well either. Could he be a newbie scum who cracks under imagined pressure, or just a(nother) dumb townie? His content > funny comment seems irrelevant and distractionary, unless I'm missing soemthing, and looks like an attempt to worm out of the limelight.
I am sorry if that is how you feel.... To me when you crack under 2 foses that is scummy. I know now that I myself have no chance of convincing people that he is scum because of the hole I am in..... Though if I cant convince (and know that I wont) you than maybe Morris or BBtiger can.
You know......
You seem to have a much better chance of convincing people now that you are posting in a more thoughtful, legible and coherent manner.
Then again maybe not since it is now pretty much confirmed that you were deliberately making your posts look dum and hard to understand.
Heywould Youblowme may have overreacted to a few FOS’s but you are deliberately misrepresenting yourself.
@difranco: It wasn't just the foses, but the general reaction to my post
@morris: How so? (very clever vote btw, I wish I had your sense of originality) Why on earth would I be desperate on day 2? There is no reason to. I was a bit agitated that I pointed out something about Difranco and no one saw the same and burned me for doing it.
@Emerys: It was a reaction to some posts 1 or 2 pages back. Perhaps you think that in mafia only the last page is relevant, but breaking news: It isn't. To answer your question: Yes, I am in fact reading the same thread.
I had no idea you were so......sensitive.
I would have thought someone making a little fun of your name would be sort of what you were looking for when you came up with a name like that.
If you had not waited so long to coment on it maybe it would look, I don't know, a little more relevant.
ok, some rash foses thrown at me for little to no reason. If you do something, explain why you do it. It would also help the receiving end to defend them against the statement if the statement makes sense. This makes it easier for townies to point out that they're town.
Mr.D wasn't posting very constructively. He was just making up incredibly original names for me while burning me for lurking while I didn't lurk. That discourages one to read the rest of the post, even though I did read it. There was just no content.
And this pertains to the current situation, how?
You are reading the same thread the rest of us are, right?
Vote: Unsanitary999 Prod, poke or threaten bbtigger, mozart, and serf
you're changing your argument from 'lynching a townie is sometimes usefull'
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'lynching a townie is sometimes not so bad'
you're also beign awfully ambiguous with the definition of the word 'bad' - lynching a townie is bad because, well, you didn't lynch mafia. the mafia is one step closer to winning the game.
that isn't to say it never happens, it's more that we should avoid it (or not do it on purpose)
Could you point out where I said the words 'lynching a townie is sometimes usefull'?
That statement implies intent and I never said, in any post, that it is a good thing to knowingly lynch a townie. In fact, I did say
Quote from Emerys »
I am certainly not suggesting that it is a good idea to actively and/or knowingly encourage lynching a towns person. I am stating the obvious in that it is most of the time, when it happens, it is unavoidable. Understanding this allows us to use the situation to our benefit. A chess game played so that you do not lose a single piece is highly unnusual. The norm is a game where each piece that is lost is a calculated scarifice. Each sacrifice made with the intention to gain an advantage to be used to win.
Unless you have some investigative ability or were part of a mason group, how could you ever be 100% sure another player was not mafia? When you vote to lynch someone you are sure is mafia, there will always be a chance that person is a townsperson. If it turns out that player was a townsperson there should be valuable information that can be gleened from the lynch. If there isn't, then Yes it was a "Bad" thing. If the information that is gleened indentifies 1, 2, 3 or 4 mafia memebers is it a "bad" thing? NO, it's not. It's a "Good" thing.
If you don't understand what I've said I'm not sure I can explain it any clearer then I have.
Anyone want to discuss the definition of the word "Is"?
Quote from morris »
what i'm trying to say ... and you will undoubtedly agree with ... is that lynching a townie is always inferior to lynching a mafia
"bad" doesn't exist in a vacuum. if you only have one choice, it isn't a bad choice. you need two choices for a choice to be bad. thus, bad is relative. thus, there's shouldn't be any difference between "lynching a townie is bad" and "lynching a townie is inferior." get it?
the truth is that you're a little off. we don't technically get information through lynching a townie. we get information through various members voting for a townie. we get even more information through various members explaining the reasons why they vote for a townie. as a matter of fact, it's really just posting in general that gives the town its information
so you see, it's not the votes that give us the information (well, not much information anyway), it's all that nonbold text around it
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I agree that lynching a townie is inferior to lynching a mafia.
I would point out that you are not entirely correct in your statement that "we don't technically get information through lynching a townie."
We do learn something very valuable. We learn that he actually was a townie. In establishing that as a fact we can more effectively form conclusions on the other information we gain from the process of voting/posting that went into the lynch. If this can be done, and sometimes it can, without actually lynching the townie that would be a superior result.
I agree with the rest of your statement.
I think we've slit that hair so fine we could see through it.
I've got to agree strongly with Well on this. If you've got nothing to say, no attempt to add to the game or even comment on what the rest of us have posted, what did you even join the game for. That goes for several other players too.
BBtigger, you seem very confident that you will be around in the morning. I guess that comes from not having to worry about the mafia going after you, for what reason? Your lack of posts?, or your lack insightful analysis?, or is it because of some other reason?
I saw Mr DiFranco's vote and thought ah ha!
Then I went back and looked at his posts leading up to the vote. Based on the content of his posts I've got no problem with his vote and I think that it was, at this point, the right thing to do. Tonight we will have a good deal of information to comb from the posts, from the lack of posts by some and from the results of the night activities. Much of the information that will be gained from the posts was there a long time ago. It will just be more easily seen by some after the results of the lynch is revealed.
On to the night.
I hope to see you all, even you notstevie92, in the morning.
Ah, good to see you falling back into character. After all that early work it would have been a shame to let it go to waste. :wink3:
As for playing mean, I really hadn’t thought that I was. I certainly was not trying to be mean. I would be happy to play nice with him, but at the moment, I'm fishing for reactions. I'm very happy with the ones I've gotten so far.
@inhungry: So Amnesiac is not just a lurker. He appearently did something scummy and when questioned on it he went back to lurking. Ok, that does make more sense then just targeting a random lurker. What scummy actions are you talking about?
I know it's a terrible temptation, but could certain folks not answer questions I put to specific players other then them? It would be nice to see what the person questioned says without having someone else's point of view imposed on them.
Everyone Knows having an appearent urge to end the day, but unwillingness to do so himself is a Mafia Tell, but it's not ridiculous.
Uberfos Emerys?
Is that supposed to do anything?
You're appearent urge to end my voicing my suspicions, but unwillingness to try to start a bandwagon to do so yourself, seems ridiculous to me.
Mr DiFranco, I hate to have to ask you the same question again, but I am interested in your reasons for suspecting Amnesiac and Mozart.
What about them makes you think they are scummier then imhungry?
Little trap?, don't you mean your diabolical plan? The omgus FOS plan.
Question for you notstevie92, what exactly do I have to be desperate about?
The mafia are going to do that regardless of who we lynch.
What makes Amnesiac and Mozart strike you as scummy or more scummy the the newly spiffed up Inhungry?
I want to go on record that I’m not comfortable with your using endearing terms when addressing me.
This one is too easy. It must be a trap.
I’m pretty confident, that you were pretty confident that he was a townie when you started up the Imhungry bandwagon that will never die. I’m pretty confident, that you were pretty confident that he was a townie when you backed off the bandwagon and hoped to look like the voice of reason when the blood thirsty mob, you whipped into a frenzy, lynches him.
So, let me see if I understand you right. You are in favor of lynching a lurker, who refuses to post. You are in favor of this because we will gain more information from the lynching of someone who does not post the from the lynching of someone that eight of the players in the game already have felt justified in voting to lynch.
But notstevie, what if that lurker is a townie? What if they just don’t have anything to add to the game or resent being forced to post by the threat of a noose?
You know, it is said, it is NEVER a good thing to lynch a townie.
But here you are, and others, who argued that tired line now discussing possibly doing exactly that, under the guise of lynching a lurker.
How is lynching a lurker a better option than lynching Inhungery? Let me answer that for you, it is not. That is unless the lurker suddenly spills his guts with all kinds of damaging info in his last post.
Yeah, that happens all the time.
It’s day one. The game will not be won or lost on the basis if the first lynch we make. It will however be helped along in the towns favor by lynching the player we feel most likely to be mafia or the player whose lynching we stand to learn the most from. Ideally that is the same player. Unfortunately for me, the player I think most likely to be mafia is the player we would learn the second most from if we were to lynch them.
If you want to engage in this mental exercise why haven’t you done it already? You’ve been calling for the blood thirsty mod to hold off lynching Inhungery and engage in productive discussion for days now. But that’s it. Why don’t you move to the next step if you are convinced Inhungry is innocent? In all that time all you have come up with is the let’s lynch a lurker idea.
Well now, I’m not comfortable with just figuring it’s dry when we haven’t talked about it enough, yet. Let’s just talk about it some more. There’s no rush. Heck!, we’ve only been looking at this here paint since 07-29-2005, 11:19 PM. Yep, there’s lot’s more to talk about.
Yep.
So, you figure that there paint’s lookin dry yet?
You know, I kinda think you might be right. Maybe we do need to talk some more about it. I mean, if there’s more to say about it, we should take the time to say it. That’s what I think.
Yep.
Hey, guys! What if someone were to try touching the paint, maybe in an out of the way spot, that would not be noticed and could easily be touched up. That way we’d know for sure if the paint was dry. Then we could move on.
What!?, are you crazy?
I don’t know, that there sounds like that would be bad to me.
Yeah, I think even suggesting that we touch the paint is pretty suspicious, if you ask me. hat kind of person would want to do something like that? I mean we aren’t done talking about it yet.
You know, I kinda think you might be right. Maybe we do need to talk some more about it. I mean, if there’s more to say about it, we should take the time to say it. That’s what I think.
Yep.
I hadn't added anything to my argument because I did not need to. I tried to clarify any details that might have not been clear, but that is all.
My argumant is there for everyone to see and agree with, or not.
If someone does not agree with my argument, then move on.
If they don't agree with my reasoning let them come up with their own line of reasoning, look for coroborating evidence in the posts and then present it themselves.
In fact, I encourage than to do so.
HunterDuck - You must have been waiting all game to do that. I hope it felt good.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and figure that you were just trying to be funny when you posted that FORGED post that had my name on it.
If you wanted to make your point all you had to do was post, maybe making it bold "I guess not" or something else along those lines.
In the future DO NOT FORGE anymore posts with my name on them.
This may not be against the rules technically, but I personally consider it CHEATING.
I hope I have made myself clear.
As for responding to you post, I already have.
Granted, there has been little to talk about, but he has not even suggested a new line of thinking. All he has done is agreed or casually commented on someone elses thoughts or tried to engage in post generating, meaningless discussions.
So, his attempts to immediately squelch discussion on the two ideas that were put forth to try to limit the mafia's options were BOTH bad ideas and he was right to shoot them down and try to keep them form being discussed? I agree that if I saw an idea that was put forth that would hurt the town's chances that I would speak out against it. BUT in both of the ideas that notStevie piped out against would not have hurt the town and neither of them was a BAD idea.
They were just two new ideas that might possibly help the town. So, of course he just had to speak out against them.
Sigh.
I'm not going into the lynch townie ALWAYS BAD discussion again.
If you don't understand it, you simply don't understand it.
I am voting for notstevie92 for some very specific reasons and I have posted them.
Once again, you can either agree with me or not. No where in my posts did I ask anyone to vote for him. If you read my reasons for voting for notstevie92 and find that you agree with them make your own decision.
Ask yourselves, at this point in the game, what does a mafia player look like?
How do you pick them out of the crowd?
At this point in the game they are trying their best to look as much like a reasonable townie as possible WITHOUT posting anything that could be constued as scummy. That means there is going to be a lot of posts with little or no content, various attempts to engage in discussions that add nothing to the effort to really identify the mafia, lots of throw away lines, ala I was trying to figure out if Imhungry is faking, that never get followed through on and if a line of reasoning does come up that might actually help find the mafia they will subtly try to squelch it.
notstevie92 has done all these things and has on two occations tried to squelch ideas that could very well help narrow down the mafia's options.
Like I said earlier, if you don't agree with me, fine.
Continue to with other lines of reasoning to find mafia.
If someone comes up with a more comvincing case I'd be happy to look at it, but I'm very comfortable with where my vote is right now.
My point is not that he posts like a townie.
It's that he posts, frequently, like a player trying very much to look like a townie but with little to no content to his posts.
He posts like a player who likes to get involved with discussions that generate a lot of posts but add nothing to our efforts to catch mafia.
Finally he posts like a player trying to muffle new and possibly valuable lines of inquery.
You also missed the post I made prior to the PBPA, where I unvoted I'mhungry and voted for notstevie92.
In that post I did not post all my reasons for voting for him because I wanted to see how he responded.
The PBPA is to clarify exactly why I think he's mafia.
That is a mischaracterization of what I said.
Several people made an indepth discussion of the value of information that is generated when townies play so poorly that they get themselves lynched. Anyone who missed it can easily go back and actually read the discussion. Judging from how off you are on the actual discussion, you might benefit from doing just that.
No, they certainly do. They usually do it with posts that add something to the current discussion or an new line of thought designed to find mafia. Mafia try to do the same thing and they almost always post contentless fluff, old, safe lines of thought or simply agree with others. In other words they post just like you did.
And you are telling me this, why?
I never asked why you were gone or if you notified anyone.
I never said you were lurking.
I said that you claimed to have just got back from wherever and that you re-read the thread but after this re-reading all you could come up with was two posts one of which was completely meaningless.
I also said your other post was a reiteration of an old, played out tangent that adds zero to the current discussion.
I said that this looked like it was just an attempt to make yourself look a townie trying to add the discussion and find mafia, but actually doing nothing.
you mean like this post and the post it alludes to?
Hmmm, that's interesting.
You were trying to figure out if he was faking, if he was pretending to be stupid or not.
Did you ever figure anything out on that? Since this is still a topic of some discussion right now I would have thought all the effort you put into figuring this out would have netted you some thoughts that you could have added to the discussion. You even posted that that was what you were doing during your long series of posts with Imhungery in this post.
You did not post any of your conclusions and right after this you jumped at the chance to vote Batman for reasons that amounted to nothing.
You next post:
Nothing regarding your conclusions on Imhungery and here you effectively try to shut down a new, and reasonable line of thought posed by Wolfgang Amadeus.
Wolfgang Amadeus then proposes another new idea to try to limit the mafia's ability to false claim noob and you again try to shut down this new line of thought. You, again have no thoughts to add of your own and no conclusions regarding all the effort you put into figuring out Imhungery.
Here in post #222
Wolfgang Amadeus calls you on this lack of content and follow through on little content that you did post.
You've got nothing. It's been 112 posts since you said you were engaging in that long series of posts with Imhungery to figure out if he was faking, mafia or whatever and you still have nothing.
In your next post you unvote batman, vote rikos. Jumping on the rikos bandwagon after Morris reveals he inspected rikos.
next post you state you will be gone for the weekend. Nothing else.
Next post:
Other then the verbal hand slap there is nothing new added to the game here. This just is an attempt to make yourself look active.
Next post:
So, after all the thought and effort you put into figuring out if Imhungery was faking or mafia, you still don't trust him, you don't vote for him and you suggest he might be the target of an elaborate mafia scheme to frame him into looking even more like scum than he made himself look.
Morris states agian the idea of looking at our role information to try to use it to id mafia.
You again, like you did when Wolfgang Amadeus suggested similar ideas, try to cast doubt on the effectiveness of the idea and sidetrack the effort.
Next post:
your pretend to not see the value in using information gained when a townie plays so poorly that they get lynched.
You then dissappear and return with the posts I originally commented on.
Which brings me back to this:
I did not even go into the long series of post you had with imhungry about nothing and the contentless posts you made prior to that. You've been posting to try to look active with adding little to nothing to the discussion. Other then myself the players that have commented on this have been Morris who is doctor protected and Wolfgang Amadeus, who is now dead.
I think I will leave my vote where it is and add FOS: Imhungry.
After reading the rest of your post I see what you mean.
So, after being gone for a week and diligently reading the thread to catch up and constructively contribute to the game, this is what you post?
Tell me, how, exactly does this add, in any way, to the current discussion?
This and the next post you made, look exactly like a mafia player returning to the game after being away and wanting to sound like he's a townie who has actively followed the game.
In looking over your other posts I'm seeing the same pattern of lack of content as well.
The fact that you invested so many posts to engage in a seemingly meaningless exchange with Imhungry leads me to think that it might have been a staged exchange.
I still think that Imhungery is vote worthy at this point but I think you are too.
Unvote: Imhungery
VOTE:notstevie92
I am sorry if that is how you feel.... To me when you crack under 2 foses that is scummy. I know now that I myself have no chance of convincing people that he is scum because of the hole I am in..... Though if I cant convince (and know that I wont) you than maybe Morris or BBtiger can.
You know......
You seem to have a much better chance of convincing people now that you are posting in a more thoughtful, legible and coherent manner.
Then again maybe not since it is now pretty much confirmed that you were deliberately making your posts look dum and hard to understand.
Heywould Youblowme may have overreacted to a few FOS’s but you are deliberately misrepresenting yourself.
My vote is staying where it is.
I had no idea you were so......sensitive.
I would have thought someone making a little fun of your name would be sort of what you were looking for when you came up with a name like that.
If you had not waited so long to coment on it maybe it would look, I don't know, a little more relevant.
FOS: Heywood Jablome
Mr.D wasn't posting very constructively. He was just making up incredibly original names for me while burning me for lurking while I didn't lurk. That discourages one to read the rest of the post, even though I did read it. There was just no content.
And this pertains to the current situation, how?
You are reading the same thread the rest of us are, right?
Vote: Unsanitary999 Prod, poke or threaten bbtigger, mozart, and serf
Could you point out where I said the words 'lynching a townie is sometimes usefull'?
That statement implies intent and I never said, in any post, that it is a good thing to knowingly lynch a townie. In fact, I did say
Unless you have some investigative ability or were part of a mason group, how could you ever be 100% sure another player was not mafia? When you vote to lynch someone you are sure is mafia, there will always be a chance that person is a townsperson. If it turns out that player was a townsperson there should be valuable information that can be gleened from the lynch. If there isn't, then Yes it was a "Bad" thing. If the information that is gleened indentifies 1, 2, 3 or 4 mafia memebers is it a "bad" thing? NO, it's not. It's a "Good" thing.
If you don't understand what I've said I'm not sure I can explain it any clearer then I have.
Anyone want to discuss the definition of the word "Is"?
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I agree that lynching a townie is inferior to lynching a mafia.
I would point out that you are not entirely correct in your statement that "we don't technically get information through lynching a townie."
We do learn something very valuable. We learn that he actually was a townie. In establishing that as a fact we can more effectively form conclusions on the other information we gain from the process of voting/posting that went into the lynch. If this can be done, and sometimes it can, without actually lynching the townie that would be a superior result.
I agree with the rest of your statement.
I think we've slit that hair so fine we could see through it.