1) Gavin noted that the pre-cons will be used sometimes to make commander for themes that don't fully fit in the standard sets proper (using a temur energy deck as an example of what they might have done for Kaladesh as their wasn't a 3 color theme in the set and Ranar the Ever-Watchful since they didn't have room for a foretell legend in Kaladesh) so that might mean they have Samurais and Ninjas in the main set enough they wanted to give focus else
Yeah they say that and then didn't print an abzan elf deck
path and study are nice cards, but give me characters
a flip powder / jinx and all the other legends... i mean the game is called league of legends and we dont get legends ?
also the artwork seems to be screenshots from the show... like really ?
feels so cheap ... even some fakes we see sometimes are better
Characters as new cards are not easy to make, they need to balance them and find a way to put out a normal version. I'm really fine with them pumping out few new cards secret lairs.
But that's besides the point. I'm taking your "you proposed a simple solution that could probably work in a satisfying way" and run with it.
I still personally think that giving every white deck access to privileged position won't make the format better, but your suggestion was surely better than others i have seen.
*Personally I'd rework how colour identity and restriction works in general, but commander players already refuse to play a mechanic as designed, so baby steps I suppose.
But why? First you propose a simple solution that could probably work in a satisfying way, then you say "nah, i'd rather screw over the whole rule if i could". It kinda shows that you have no idea about the consequences of your actions.
Exactly like maro did when he proposed the abolition of commander color identity back in one of his old articles.
What does this have to do with not understanding the format? Maro knows how hybrid works in commander and disagrees with the rule.
If you say Maro doesn't understand the commander format because of his opinions on hybrid, then to me it sounds more like you don't understand hybrid.
Wow you sound so smart. Please tell me an actual "solution" for hybrid cards in commander. I bet it's gonna have ton of other (way worse and way bigger) consequences on deckbuilding. Like maro's proposals were.
That hybrid cards should work in either or deck like other magic formats? Thats hardly something that just Maro and not sure why you even are bringing it up?
It's an "issue" that maro brings up often talking about commander and color identity
Pretty sure that was Gavin, he talked on how they wanted to have 5 color commanders that you didn't need WUBRG to play both for commander and so they could be playable in non-commander formats.
Nice to know that even the most commandery wotc employee can fail this bad, but maro too has problems with color identity, mainly related to how it works for hybrid cards.
Instead of putting the card in the "draft" set, theres room in Set-Boosters for them to put all the Non-Limited cards in.
And if its specifically done for Commander, well, there are Commander products of each set, so put them there.
Plenty of options that would be fine and make basically anybody happy.
Already showed you an example were this didn't work.
Weirdly they made a good choice with Lynde, i think that many people were happy with her. But for the rest of the sets they seems scared to put actual commander cards in the commander slots and play extra safe.
(Color identity is an issue of commander and not a feature anymore, as basically all cards are better just for having more color identities, and its an artificial drawback on cards to not have extra colors, so it will forever be an issue with that rule in place. Much simpler, remove the color identity requirement and simply imply that players opt for a flavor, so the vampire deck has actual vampires and themes in it, as its much more about the tribal aspect than its color requirements)
Yeah how about no? Stop trying to subvert the format because you don't understand it.
It is weird that maro, the "resriction breeds creativity" guy, doesn't understand color identity and that wotc pushed so many 5c legends recently.
These are pretty trash it seems. Vampires are just a huge miss across both sets.
I strongly disagree. They managed to make an overly saturated tribe interesting. Too bad the power level is kinda low and they only had one set to do that. 5-6 interesting blood token cards (like bloodvial purveyor, glass-cast heart and arterial alchemy) with a related mardu legend would have spawned a new, interesting way to play vampire.
The planted interesting seeds for blood tokens but limited restrained their designs too much
player's brains. Sometimes it really just feels like they're coming up with reasons for their design decisions after the fact.
I hate the fact that limited formats take up so much focus of the design process for sets in general. The new Edgar is *****e either way.
There way worse offenders than vampires not receiveng their second amazing mardu commander. No bant legendary merfolk in Ixalan because limited. No jeskai giant in Kaldheim because limited. Hell, even Lathril wasn't abzan but just golgari because adding a color to the tribe even only for the commander deck would confuse limited players.
Commander players are still buying so wizards don't care. Maro doesn't understand a thing about the format so he doesn't care.
I hate to be bashing maro guy because that poor designer gets way too much hate, but he is really clueless about commander.
Really fitting the theme of the set, especially the first human token.
Too bad they didn't make multiple blood tokens like they did for tresure, food and clues the first time they were introduced
Werewolves feel better across both sets because their mechanic remained constant.
I thinkt hey have just better cards in Crimsow Vow. Howling Moon, Avabruck caretaker, howlback piper, volatile arsonist, hollowhenge overlord...
Midnight Hunt basically just had Tovolar and the "werewolf grave titan", rest was limited filler.
Just look at the number of mythic werewolves. 0 in Midnight Hunt and 2 in Crimson Vow.
And despite all these off-color Werewolves being in MID, Maro at this very moment is over on Blogatog dying on the weird hill that they couldn't possible have made new Edgar's backside RW for commander because that one rare not being two-colored would have broken Limited player's brains. Sometimes it really just feels like they're coming up with reasons for their design decisions after the fact.
Wouldn't even matter. Old Egdar is just way better, people wouldn't play New Edgar even if it was mardu.
Yeah they say that and then didn't print an abzan elf deck
Characters as new cards are not easy to make, they need to balance them and find a way to put out a normal version. I'm really fine with them pumping out few new cards secret lairs.
We live in the binge watching era.Stupid movies or shows may bring you more money than balanced formats.
I still personally think that giving every white deck access to privileged position won't make the format better, but your suggestion was surely better than others i have seen.
But why? First you propose a simple solution that could probably work in a satisfying way, then you say "nah, i'd rather screw over the whole rule if i could". It kinda shows that you have no idea about the consequences of your actions.
Exactly like maro did when he proposed the abolition of commander color identity back in one of his old articles.
Wow you sound so smart. Please tell me an actual "solution" for hybrid cards in commander. I bet it's gonna have ton of other (way worse and way bigger) consequences on deckbuilding. Like maro's proposals were.
It's an "issue" that maro brings up often talking about commander and color identity
Yeah mainly talking about precons. Full of safe and boring cards.
Nice to know that even the most commandery wotc employee can fail this bad, but maro too has problems with color identity, mainly related to how it works for hybrid cards.
Already showed you an example were this didn't work.
Weirdly they made a good choice with Lynde, i think that many people were happy with her. But for the rest of the sets they seems scared to put actual commander cards in the commander slots and play extra safe.
Yeah how about no? Stop trying to subvert the format because you don't understand it.
It is weird that maro, the "resriction breeds creativity" guy, doesn't understand color identity and that wotc pushed so many 5c legends recently.
I strongly disagree. They managed to make an overly saturated tribe interesting. Too bad the power level is kinda low and they only had one set to do that. 5-6 interesting blood token cards (like bloodvial purveyor, glass-cast heart and arterial alchemy) with a related mardu legend would have spawned a new, interesting way to play vampire.
The planted interesting seeds for blood tokens but limited restrained their designs too much
There way worse offenders than vampires not receiveng their second amazing mardu commander. No bant legendary merfolk in Ixalan because limited. No jeskai giant in Kaldheim because limited. Hell, even Lathril wasn't abzan but just golgari because adding a color to the tribe even only for the commander deck would confuse limited players.
Commander players are still buying so wizards don't care. Maro doesn't understand a thing about the format so he doesn't care.
I hate to be bashing maro guy because that poor designer gets way too much hate, but he is really clueless about commander.
Too bad they didn't make multiple blood tokens like they did for tresure, food and clues the first time they were introduced
I thinkt hey have just better cards in Crimsow Vow. Howling Moon, Avabruck caretaker, howlback piper, volatile arsonist, hollowhenge overlord...
Midnight Hunt basically just had Tovolar and the "werewolf grave titan", rest was limited filler.
Just look at the number of mythic werewolves. 0 in Midnight Hunt and 2 in Crimson Vow.
Wouldn't even matter. Old Egdar is just way better, people wouldn't play New Edgar even if it was mardu.
The zombie deck was pretty good