The folks at WotC really do care, much more than the RC does at least
Ahahahahah. If playing too much Golos makes you believe things like that, we are lucky it was banned.
Wotc just sees EDH as a big cash cow, many lead designer didn't even ever bothered playing and understanding the format.
We've never witnessed a planeswalker getting their spark (you could argue Elspeth in Theros Beyond Death when she was close to drowning but that might be something else altogether)
Here's a question: if someone said that the Standard ban list, or the Modern one, or the Legacy one, was no longer going to be controlled by Wizards of the Coast (who have access to huge resources in terms of player feedback, data, etc.), but would instead be controlled by just four people who are all friends (and a few "advisors" who don't seem to have much sway), would anyone be surprised that the ban list was a mess? Would you be surprised that it reflected the strange whims of certain group rather than a measured and consistent approach? Would we be surprised that they get super defensive and take valid criticism personally? Nope. That would be completely inevitable.
People complain all the time about wotc banlist, so i don't think you have a very solid ground. You may look into wotc's banlist of 1v1 commander. I'll hardly call it a success.
Hear me out. The problem here isn't really the Golos ban per se. My personal opinion on that ban isn't relevant. The problem is that the RC is way too insular and way too small to be steering this ship on their own. The truth is, whatever you personally think about Golos, a huge portion of the community feels that this ban is completely crazy, like it's from upside-down world.
I mean really? Golos ban is crazy? upside-down world?
RC has stated its reasons. They are all valid. Maybe you think that the only criteria for a ban should be pure power level. Maybe you are salty because now you can't play your Golos deck anymore. But saying the ban is crazy, insular or has no reasons is just being intellectually dishonest. Golos is THE TOP goodstuff commander and it's not even close. EVERY DECK can be turned into a 5c golos deck and still be playable. Everyone can see that. not everyone want the future of commander meta be 5c golos decks.
Sometimes its worth reading the entire post, and not just the phrases you want to.
You say this while not reading my post and addressing 0 points that i made.
Who cares about your salty cards list? If i don't want to follow RC's list, why should i listen to what EDHREC has to say? Can't i just make my own list with my friends then? Your "salty list" card is just a banlist with another name.
If you really think that cEDH can't continue following the official banlist, make your own RC and make your own competitive banlist for competitive only. Stop trying to appropriate other people's work.
Any casual group should absolutely not give a damn about the Commander banned list, the suggestions from them reflect their idea, like a local playgroup of them, others might completely disagree.
Ironically the only place where the list is really relevant is in tournaments for cEDH that use the banned list as an actual banned list, and you cant play if your deck is illegal.
In any casual world, its irrelevant, so the entire point of the banned list is pretty damn pointless in the first place.
Commander was born as a casual format. The RC plays casual. They try to have the format appeal to everyone but they have no interest into turning the format competitive.
Why you want to take that from the casual player? Why you want to take the only format that is not 100% catered to competitive players into a format exactly like the other ones?
If competitive players are so needy, they can form their own RC and make their own banlist. 1vs1 commander players did that multiple time.
But cEDH don't want to do that. They want to take away other people's stuff. They want to dictate how RC should play.
claiming that their recent bans / unbans as of late proves that they're completely out of touch with the format.
They are the ones out of touch with the format. Golos should have been banned day 1. He is a complete perversion of what EDH should be. He is the ultimate goodstuff general, that completely destroy any niche deck or build-around-me general because you can just play your strategy in 5c Golos and be fine. People who don't understand this should really double check why they are playing this format.
The comparison really doesn't explain it. Even if opponent float extra mana before doing Sway of the Stars (which is exactly the same thing you can do with Worldfire and your general), the draw is still symmetrical and opponents still got a chance to interact with free spells. Also, game doesn't end immediately, 7 life x 3 opponents still means 21 lifes to take down, which is still a lot.
So really, there's absolutely no logical and coherent explanation of why Worldfire was unbanned while Sway must be on the banlist.
Worldfire just end games, exactly like a Coalition Victory and those cards were banned exactly for this reason, because ending the game out of nowhere is not on the social philosophy of this format.
I think that what they are trying to say is that World of Fire end games, Sway of Star doesn't. With Worldfire everyone has 1 life, the game will end soon. With Sway of Stars everyone has 7 life, the game will drag on way longer.
I’ve been thinking some more golos might be the greatest ban in the history of commander
Because for once the RC banned a card that’s a money maker card for the company’s and now they lost it. In other words this will truely give a indication to WOTC to not make cards 5-color commanders as bonkers as golos
this is why I fully believe in kamigawa neon dynasty if we get a 5-color spirit tribal legend it won’t be a “good stuff” commander.
RC bans and wotc printings are not correlated in any way. Unless it's a specific commander set where they ask for RC's help, they are not involved. And if they are involved, it's about designing cards and not "print this so we can ban that".
The ban is too close to Kamigawa release date to influence their design. If they made a 5c goodstuff legedn, it's too late for them to change it.
Ohohohoh Golos is banned maaaaaaaaan
RC has balls
Not happy with worldfire unban however. I get the argument "winning with worldfire is not easy", the problem that trolling and making the game irrelevant with worldfire is super easy, even if at the end you don't win.
The old precons are bad entry points to standard,and you think Commander is better? Don't make me laugh.
Damn you can't even debate. Your narrative that old precons were a nice entry points for standard gets challenged and what you do? You strawman some weird opinion on me instead of defending your position. Because you can't defend that. It's a *****ty opinion.
Commander decks are no entry point for standard, but at least are an entry point for commander.
Old precons were entry point for just wasting money.
It's people like you is why I went from being indifferent to Commander to outright hating it. Commander this, Commander that. You think 4 60-card base rules precons is more than enough? I bet you haven't been in a situation where you are the minority, and you got nothing, while the majority got everything.
Ahahahah, tried to be a commander player before 2011? That's how it went.
Commander players got what they deserved not by salty crying on the internet but by buying products and making communities.
All I ask for is to consistently, every year, to have 10 of them, spread out throught the year, rather than having just the one release. I don't care if there are 100 Commander decks released in one year so long as I get 10 60-card base rules precons. 2021 is OK. What about 2022, 2023?
Have you tried writing a letter to santa?
You don't even understanding how selling products work. It's not a matter of how many commander precons VS how many 60-cards precons. It's not a matter of doing 10 60-cards precons and then printing 100,200, 300 commander precons because we need to keep commander players happy. It's a matter that they won't make those 10 *****ty precons no matter what because they know they won't sell. Printing more commander precons still won't help selling this *****. Printing less commander precons still won't help selling this *****. Get a reality check.
Everything in the world revolving around me? How is asking for something aimed at casual 60-card players as something that revolves around me? I already got over that the Planeswalker Decks are gone. I just want some sort of precon aimed at 60-card casual players. Is that so hard to ask? It doesn't have to be Standard legal, although it would be great if it was.
Yep, it's asking too much. Wotc won't make a product knowing that you will be the only one buying. Deal with it.
I like the animations but i really don't get why the trailers must always be so disconnected with the "real" story.
Ahahahahah. If playing too much Golos makes you believe things like that, we are lucky it was banned.
Wotc just sees EDH as a big cash cow, many lead designer didn't even ever bothered playing and understanding the format.
They showed Elspeth's first planeswalk in a comic
People complain all the time about wotc banlist, so i don't think you have a very solid ground. You may look into wotc's banlist of 1v1 commander. I'll hardly call it a success.
I mean really? Golos ban is crazy? upside-down world?
RC has stated its reasons. They are all valid. Maybe you think that the only criteria for a ban should be pure power level. Maybe you are salty because now you can't play your Golos deck anymore. But saying the ban is crazy, insular or has no reasons is just being intellectually dishonest. Golos is THE TOP goodstuff commander and it's not even close. EVERY DECK can be turned into a 5c golos deck and still be playable. Everyone can see that. not everyone want the future of commander meta be 5c golos decks.
You say this while not reading my post and addressing 0 points that i made.
Who cares about your salty cards list? If i don't want to follow RC's list, why should i listen to what EDHREC has to say? Can't i just make my own list with my friends then? Your "salty list" card is just a banlist with another name.
If you really think that cEDH can't continue following the official banlist, make your own RC and make your own competitive banlist for competitive only. Stop trying to appropriate other people's work.
Commander was born as a casual format. The RC plays casual. They try to have the format appeal to everyone but they have no interest into turning the format competitive.
Why you want to take that from the casual player? Why you want to take the only format that is not 100% catered to competitive players into a format exactly like the other ones?
If competitive players are so needy, they can form their own RC and make their own banlist. 1vs1 commander players did that multiple time.
But cEDH don't want to do that. They want to take away other people's stuff. They want to dictate how RC should play.
They are the ones out of touch with the format. Golos should have been banned day 1. He is a complete perversion of what EDH should be. He is the ultimate goodstuff general, that completely destroy any niche deck or build-around-me general because you can just play your strategy in 5c Golos and be fine. People who don't understand this should really double check why they are playing this format.
I think that what they are trying to say is that World of Fire end games, Sway of Star doesn't. With Worldfire everyone has 1 life, the game will end soon. With Sway of Stars everyone has 7 life, the game will drag on way longer.
RC bans and wotc printings are not correlated in any way. Unless it's a specific commander set where they ask for RC's help, they are not involved. And if they are involved, it's about designing cards and not "print this so we can ban that".
The ban is too close to Kamigawa release date to influence their design. If they made a 5c goodstuff legedn, it's too late for them to change it.
RC has balls
Not happy with worldfire unban however. I get the argument "winning with worldfire is not easy", the problem that trolling and making the game irrelevant with worldfire is super easy, even if at the end you don't win.
Damn you can't even debate. Your narrative that old precons were a nice entry points for standard gets challenged and what you do? You strawman some weird opinion on me instead of defending your position. Because you can't defend that. It's a *****ty opinion.
Commander decks are no entry point for standard, but at least are an entry point for commander.
Old precons were entry point for just wasting money.
Ahahahah, tried to be a commander player before 2011? That's how it went.
Commander players got what they deserved not by salty crying on the internet but by buying products and making communities.
Have you tried writing a letter to santa?
You don't even understanding how selling products work. It's not a matter of how many commander precons VS how many 60-cards precons. It's not a matter of doing 10 60-cards precons and then printing 100,200, 300 commander precons because we need to keep commander players happy. It's a matter that they won't make those 10 *****ty precons no matter what because they know they won't sell. Printing more commander precons still won't help selling this *****. Printing less commander precons still won't help selling this *****. Get a reality check.
Yep, it's asking too much. Wotc won't make a product knowing that you will be the only one buying. Deal with it.