Honestly i'm skeptycal. It think it will feel very neutered.
To really give us choice it need:
multiple classes: a system of the usual 3 classes (warrior, mage, thief/ranger) can work, but they need give us the right specializations (for example in magic warriors, soldier and knights are all very different).
multiple races: human, elf, goblin, aven, vedalken, vampire, aetherborn... they are really a lot!
multiple planes: not only you have many races, but a human from Theros should be different than a human from Mirrodin for example.
Looks really ambitious, honestly i would feel really disappointed ending up with 5 classes and 5 bland races all from the same plane...
6) Davriel Cane will work together with "Wanderer" (whoever it is). Also expect the alliance between Karn, Ob Nixilis and Dack Fayden. And more weird alliances.
many of his you shouldn't play cards are actually quite valid to r/w, but articles like this, from someone with a platform like his, speak volumes to push against acceptance of valid game plans to r/w. his words have weight.
Man what a biased point.
A black card is on the list too. A green card is on the list too. 3 blue cards are on the list. 3 colorless are on the list.
This thread made me realize that the only culture problem is with people obsessed with boros.
Do you really pretend to win aggroing with anya, merciless angel, savannah lions and flametongue kavu? Do you really think that an armaggedon is the only thing needed to make these cards viable?
It's like a blue player whining because he can't win with chisei, heart of oceans.
Some cards suck, deal with it. All the boros commanders are terrible, deal with it.
The beast attacked Liliana. She killed it in defense.
She could have just scared the beast away, or let it feed. It's not like she was affectionated to the horse or something like that.
You can clearly see her immobilizing the beast first, then using other other tendrils to suffocate and kill for no reason.
She could have acted in many other way, she decided to be a violent jerk
Rather than "survival of the fittest" and "red in tooth and claw," he gets upset at the superior predator which killed a beast in self-defense, chases her down, and gets rightly cursed.
The superior predator who kills not to feed but just out of cruelty? The superior predator who taints the land with necromancy?
Yeah, i totally wonder why Garruk didn't respect her way to hunt...
Doesn't make Garruk some innocent victim here. He 100% brought all of it on himself. I personally am hoping they both get the axe, and take Mr. Bland Jace with them.
Garruk is the victim. Liliana could have acted n many other ways (hell, nowaday anti-heroine Liliana would surely have acted differently). Garruk couldn't react in better ways. He sensed necromantic/demonic magic and it was the right thing for him to stop it. He actually tried to understand the situation first, no "axe first, question later".
"Is this your mess?" "What are you?" All questions that Garruk made and that were mocked by Liliana. And Still, he isn't the first one to attack, it's Liliana.
And still, the curse was completely pointless. She could have just immobilized him and then planeswalk away. Instead she wanted to be cruel.
By i'm willing to bet they'll retcon it, saying that Liliana didn't want to curse Garruk, it was a mistake since she couldn't control the Chain Veil.
Really, what should have Garruk done to be innocent in your eyes? Ask something to Liliana, then simple walk away without anything when he sees she doesn't cooperate?
Except that it was Garruk's own fault that he was cursed by Liliana (whom I am tired of, myself, her and Jace) in the first place. His beast attacked her, was killed, and the moron chased her down and attacked her. As a result of her defending herself, via the Chain Veil, he was cursed. Then he is written like any thirteen-year-old's version of a barbarian badass who overpowers everyone he comes across with rippling sinews and bestial grunts and so on. He's just a terribly-written character whose own meat-headed idiocy got him cursed. I wish they'd kill him and Liliana off at the same time, and Jace, but unfortunately that's all a little too much to ask.
Still, there's no sympathy to Garruk's story here. It's not like he was wrongly cursed or was the innocent victim in all this. He's just as big of a prick as Liliana is, so neither of 'em deserve much in the way of sympathy here.
Yeah because caring for wildlife and trying to stop, or at least get explanations for a demonic/necromantic ritual is moronic and childish
And yeah, those weren't his beasts. They were wild beasts, because the story is set on shandalar, the home plane of thragtusk and similar beasts.
He was totally the victim, Liliana acted like the classic chaotic evil character, mocking and not caring about others at best and well, trying to mortally curse them at worse.
I know read what non-affiliated people said about this. It doesn't means they have any relevance to wotc though.
Garruk storyline had many issues and blurred lines.
Right now is almost a mindless planeswalker-killer. It's pretty easy to understand why he wasn't put in this set: we need only 1 planeswalker killer, that's Bolas
Fun fact: Dovan Baan has only 5 fingers on each hand on these stained glass pictures.
A nice contrast for the people saying #4 can’t be Elspeth because her hair isn’t the right shade of brown.
Yeah forgetting the extra finger that is present only on Kaladesh' vedalken is totally like forgetting the hair color of you character.
It doesn't even matter that "Elspeth" has completely changed clothes, weapon and fighting/magic style too.
Really people expecting Elspeth will be very disappointed.
In all seiouly wizards is on a hiatus with Garruk because redit users think Triumph of Ferocity is ofensive and the character should be killed to never be remembered again. I don't want to start a controversity but outrage about minimal and ridicule things is a thing in the "mtg community" even Jin Davis and PewDiePie can't escape the outrage.
I like to know how this rumor started.
It's pretty clear that Garruk storyline was a mess even before the outrage. He was supposed to be cured by Avacyn. But suddenly they decided to make him even more corrupt.
"hey we have a problem, you know that character that was supposed to be cured by his curse? We have a backlash because he's too violent and embodies toxic masculinity"
"i know what to do! Retcon his cure and make him even more violent and unstable!"
it's clear that they changed Garruk's destiny abruptly and not because of the backlash.
Now he's in a limbo because they retconned Liliana into some sort of tragic heroine and you can't bring Garruk back without showing that Liliana was actually a big, chaotic evil bitch without any good or anti-heroic intention.
Could be that Bolas is keeping Tezzeret off-plane as an escape route should things go wrong with the Immortal Sun locking everyone in.
Also, this just reinforces my belief that this set will have Fetchlands. Unless they reprint all the Shocks in WAR or make all 36 Planeswalkers not legal in Standard, this set will need some sort of reliable mana-fixing to cope with all the multicolored Planeswalkers that will be in the format. Spare me the usual reactions, I know what "they say". I'll admit I'm wrong when I'm actually proven wrong with a full set list.
They have never done fetch+shocklands in any standard and they won't begin know.
From what we know, 90% of these planeswalker can be monocolored, we have nothing to presume this set will be more multicolor-focused than Ravnica (which is heavily multicolor-focused)
Am i the only one not hoping for a WUBRG colored deck unless it really make sense?
Angels, phyrexians... why should they be 5-colored? I can see a point for superfriends, even if we already have atraxa.
Not every tribe or concept must be showed in 5-color. It worked for dragons, yeah. It didn't work for warrior. I don't see anyone playing warrior tribal najeela, the blade-blossom, only goodstuff combo machines builds.
I hope for at least 2 tricolor deck. 3, with 2 wedge and 1 shard would be better.
To really give us choice it need:
multiple classes: a system of the usual 3 classes (warrior, mage, thief/ranger) can work, but they need give us the right specializations (for example in magic warriors, soldier and knights are all very different).
multiple races: human, elf, goblin, aven, vedalken, vampire, aetherborn... they are really a lot!
multiple planes: not only you have many races, but a human from Theros should be different than a human from Mirrodin for example.
Looks really ambitious, honestly i would feel really disappointed ending up with 5 classes and 5 bland races all from the same plane...
wtf? How do this make sense?
Is that confirmed?
Even in casual boros has bad win conditions, because without combo is ver slow at winning
Man what a biased point.
A black card is on the list too. A green card is on the list too. 3 blue cards are on the list. 3 colorless are on the list.
This thread made me realize that the only culture problem is with people obsessed with boros.
Do you really pretend to win aggroing with anya, merciless angel, savannah lions and flametongue kavu? Do you really think that an armaggedon is the only thing needed to make these cards viable?
It's like a blue player whining because he can't win with chisei, heart of oceans.
Some cards suck, deal with it. All the boros commanders are terrible, deal with it.
She could have just scared the beast away, or let it feed. It's not like she was affectionated to the horse or something like that.
You can clearly see her immobilizing the beast first, then using other other tendrils to suffocate and kill for no reason.
She could have acted in many other way, she decided to be a violent jerk
The superior predator who kills not to feed but just out of cruelty? The superior predator who taints the land with necromancy?
Yeah, i totally wonder why Garruk didn't respect her way to hunt...
Garruk is the victim. Liliana could have acted n many other ways (hell, nowaday anti-heroine Liliana would surely have acted differently). Garruk couldn't react in better ways. He sensed necromantic/demonic magic and it was the right thing for him to stop it. He actually tried to understand the situation first, no "axe first, question later".
"Is this your mess?" "What are you?" All questions that Garruk made and that were mocked by Liliana. And Still, he isn't the first one to attack, it's Liliana.
And still, the curse was completely pointless. She could have just immobilized him and then planeswalk away. Instead she wanted to be cruel.
By i'm willing to bet they'll retcon it, saying that Liliana didn't want to curse Garruk, it was a mistake since she couldn't control the Chain Veil.
Really, what should have Garruk done to be innocent in your eyes? Ask something to Liliana, then simple walk away without anything when he sees she doesn't cooperate?
Wow, never thought of that. You really are the EDH boss
If someone can really make a deck with bronze bombshell as a viable win condition, i could die happy
Yeah because caring for wildlife and trying to stop, or at least get explanations for a demonic/necromantic ritual is moronic and childish
And yeah, those weren't his beasts. They were wild beasts, because the story is set on shandalar, the home plane of thragtusk and similar beasts.
He was totally the victim, Liliana acted like the classic chaotic evil character, mocking and not caring about others at best and well, trying to mortally curse them at worse.
I know read what non-affiliated people said about this. It doesn't means they have any relevance to wotc though.
Garruk storyline had many issues and blurred lines.
Right now is almost a mindless planeswalker-killer. It's pretty easy to understand why he wasn't put in this set: we need only 1 planeswalker killer, that's Bolas
Yeah forgetting the extra finger that is present only on Kaladesh' vedalken is totally like forgetting the hair color of you character.
It doesn't even matter that "Elspeth" has completely changed clothes, weapon and fighting/magic style too.
Really people expecting Elspeth will be very disappointed.
Sure you can donate a single Bronzene Sexbombe quite easily with red, but how do you make enough sexy bombs to kill a player without things like mechanized production, clones and quasiduplicate?
I like to know how this rumor started.
It's pretty clear that Garruk storyline was a mess even before the outrage. He was supposed to be cured by Avacyn. But suddenly they decided to make him even more corrupt.
"hey we have a problem, you know that character that was supposed to be cured by his curse? We have a backlash because he's too violent and embodies toxic masculinity"
"i know what to do! Retcon his cure and make him even more violent and unstable!"
it's clear that they changed Garruk's destiny abruptly and not because of the backlash.
Now he's in a limbo because they retconned Liliana into some sort of tragic heroine and you can't bring Garruk back without showing that Liliana was actually a big, chaotic evil bitch without any good or anti-heroic intention.
They have never done fetch+shocklands in any standard and they won't begin know.
From what we know, 90% of these planeswalker can be monocolored, we have nothing to presume this set will be more multicolor-focused than Ravnica (which is heavily multicolor-focused)
WAR + Dominaria was meant to be the brawl-fest standard
Yay for superfriends EDH, i guess?
Angels, phyrexians... why should they be 5-colored? I can see a point for superfriends, even if we already have atraxa.
Not every tribe or concept must be showed in 5-color. It worked for dragons, yeah. It didn't work for warrior. I don't see anyone playing warrior tribal najeela, the blade-blossom, only goodstuff combo machines builds.
I hope for at least 2 tricolor deck. 3, with 2 wedge and 1 shard would be better.
Sire of insanity + anthem of rakdos