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  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    Quote from SonofaBith75 »
    -that person said they’d improve on that, and 50% of the way through, that’s untrue.
    I think you're forgetting just how bad reprint value was in 2018. I just perused the decklists, and very few reprints are worth more than $2, usually only a couple per deck. Unwinding clock is the only thing I see that's worth any significant money, and it's still single digits.

    Little annoying to figure out the prices on those cards pre-reprint but still, I think we're going to do better than last year by a decent margin. Maybe not by as much as you'd like, but they have improved.

    Anyway it's just a matter of priorities imo. Some people (myself included) don't care about reprints and think the new cards are exciting. I'd be equally as excited for these decks if all the old cards were replaced with stroopwafels. Actually, I'd be more excited because I have a lot more use for stroopwafels than a bunch of cards I already have.
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    Quote from cyberium_neo »
    Sultai morph, Jeskai grave, I feel that WotC is testing new water and is stimulating creativity here, I applaud their effort. What's the point of making new precons only to serve the existing schemes?
    I really agree with this. There are a lot of cards previously terrible in commander that will suddenly be viable after this set drops. Only a handful of morph, madness, and flashback(/aftermath/retrace/jump-start/???) cards saw significant play, and now many more of those cards have a home, and the best of them have a place to really shine.

    I think the diversity of the format is one of the biggest reasons it appeals to me so much more than any 60-card format, and this year's set looks to be bringing more diversity than arguably any other commander release. This might be the best commander series to date imo - the only real contenders are 2016 and the original 2011.
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  • posted a message on {C19} Mystic intelect full deck list + command zone preview card - Elsha of the Infinite
    I love the card mechanically, but also hot damn is that some spicy art. She is not messing around. Glad to have a jeskai monk who isn't obnoxious format-cancer.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Unreleased and New Card Discussion
    So...Elsha seems cool...

    It's like if Raff and melek had a baby. Casting from top of deck is sweet, I'm glad they aren't making you reveal the card though. And anything that grants flash is always awesome.

    I'm not totally sure how I want to build the deck, but I think I'm gonna build it. Maybe I'm jumping the gun a little but I feeeel like this set might end up being the most successful to date at making me actually get off my butt and build the commanders on release.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    Quote from SonofaBith75 »
    You say people are entitled. I say, have higher standards and stop settling.
    I mean, some of us don't care about reprints. I don't, at all. As long as I like the new cards, I don't care if the rest of the deck is draft chaff.

    Not saying you aren't entitled to care about reprint value, but people don't HAVE to care about it in order to "have standards".

    So far I like the design of most of the new commanders, Anje and Savinne in particular although the alt commanders also seem pretty cool. For me 2017 was the biggest bust year - tribal decks rarely interest me. But there's something for everyone.
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  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    random unknown legends
    I mean, we got gerrard and volrath, and we're getting 2 more famous legends of yore iirc.

    Maybe in years past people who know the lore have been "omg it's (the mimeoplasm|the shattergang brothers|kalemne|Breya|Inalla|Gyrus|etc|etc|etc)" but I've always been going "who the hell are all these people?" Except 2014...which was also the least popular year for commander, lol.
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  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    You make a fair point that there's not a dedicated commander that aligns with those particular strategies. I still would have liked to see a little more innovation on Kadena other than cost reduction and card draw. Sure, it's powerful, but there's Animar who does the cost reduction angle a little better and there are plenty of card draw engines these days that synergize with playing creatures.

    Maybe something like "whenever you turn a creature face up, you may turn another creature face down" or "pay xyz: exchange control of target face down permanent you control and a permanent that an opponent controls". Something a little off the wall that would also make good use of manifest mechanics.
    I think Kadena is probably my least favorite of the 4 design-wise. "When you do X draw a card" always felt like the least interesting way to motivate an archetype.

    Anje and Savinne I think are pretty cool, though. They aren't super innovative in their design, but I think they'll play out in really fun ways.
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  • posted a message on [c19] commdering prodcast preview - wall of stolen idenity and pramikon sky rampart
    Quote from joejack8445 »
    Is Pramikon's ability useless in 1v1?
    Since "straight ahead" isn't left or right, no one can attack in 1v1.

    I'm just kidding - it has no effect in 1v1.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Unreleased and New Card Discussion
    Quote from Gashnaw II »
    Quote from DirkGently »
    Quote from DirkGently »

    wall, 127 aww poor walls.
    ...and then, after 26 years without a legendary wall, they announce one THE NEXT DAY.

    **** it, print a legendary kavu. I can’t even.

    Bad wall too. can;t play arcades, the strategist or Doran, the siege tower or Assault Formation making it a VERY bad commander option.
    I mean, I think it's more of a "play defense, assemble alt wincon" commander than a wall tribal one. It doesn't do much for its fellow walls.

    What a selfish sonofabitch wall. GrrrAAAAAH <- most appropriate use of this emoji ever.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [C19] Fate extraction
    That player shuffles ITS library. It should be THEIR library. This isn't real.
    Lol, wotc gets progressive with their pronouns...then they get weirdly objectifying. That'd be a twist.

    I'm kind of happy. No me gusta food chain.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    There are a couple of new cards so far that I dig (notably the goblin pirate and the GB troll) but the majority of it has felt underwhelming. The "Keyword Commanders" that were spoiled last week have some interesting uses, but they feel one dimensional to me. What are you going to do with the Morph and Flashback commanders outside of stuff them with the very best spells with those keywords attached, or the best cards that interact with those keywords? That's it. There's not much more room for deck innovation beyond that.

    Just for example, I've built Kynaios & Tiro of Meletis as both an Enchantress deck and a Landfall deck, two archetypes that had nothing to do with the precon that they came from. I want to see the kind of commanders that we can approach in multiple ways instead of just acquiring all of the best cards for an archetype and calling it a day.
    I don't think having strongly-indicated synergies is necessarily a bad thing. Madness, morph, and flashback all saw at best minor usage in commander. Now suddenly those cards, and strategies around those cards, will become possible. That's a lot more interesting imo than commanders that slot into existing archetypes with minor tweaks. I think it's pretty hard to do that without making the card pretty tailor-made for a certain strategy. Feather comes to mind as a fairly pigeon-holed commander that doesn't actually spell out a specific keyword - but most feather decks will share many of the same cards anyway.

    And while sure, every Kadena deck will probably be playing a lot of the same morphs as every other Kadena deck - but it's not as though you're just going to put the top 60 morphs into a deck and call it a day (I guess you could if you wanted to?). You'll probably use 30 slots for morphs, but that still leaves half your deck open - you could play it as control with lots of counters and removal, taking advantage of her ability to create board presence without paying for it. You could play it as combo with lots of ways to give flash and bounce your creatures. You could build it as aggro with anthems to buff your face-down creatures and try to overwhelm. The point is, you've got options. I really enjoyed my Feather deck - it shared a lot of the same cards as other feather decks, but it subtly emphasized different things, and I think it was better for it. There's still innovation to be had, even if the starting place is pretty obvious.

    And if you really want something a little less directed, it looks like the secondary commanders are a fair bit more open-ended.
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  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    Agreed on both counts. 2017 was hardly my favorite year, but it was still miles ahead of this one. The odd number years are always a miss for some reason.
    2014 has the least popular commanders of any precon series, by far.
    2016 was the most popular, so you've got 1/3 right.
    2018 was the second least popular, and the lowest reprint value.

    You're complaining about the odd years?

    This set looks awesome to me so far, btw. Lots of cards that I've never considered for commander will be purchased. That's a good sign imo.
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  • posted a message on [C19] Fate extraction
    Quote from AnImAr_ »
    What is the food chain combo?
    hit food chain + squee, the immortal. Cast food chain for free, then cast squee from exile, loop him for infinite (creature-only) mana.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Unreleased and New Card Discussion
    Quote from DirkGently »

    wall, 127 aww poor walls.
    ...and then, after 26 years without a legendary wall, they announce one THE NEXT DAY.

    **** it, print a legendary kavu. I can’t even.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Unreleased and New Card Discussion
    I'd say arcades is more the wall commander than doran but you've definitely got some options. Ulrich I don't see - he's a fine card and obviously wolf-adjacent but he doesn't provide tribal synergy nor is he a wolf.

    More to the point, there are probably loads of types that do have legends but don't have tribal support from those legends - I think that's kind of the more important issue, personally.

    Wotc does seem to semi-randomly pick not-really-tribes like bears, spiders, and cats and give them tribal support legendaries every once in a while. It could happen for kavu, maybe. But it could just as easily happen for insects or whatever. Considering how long kavu have been out of the spotlight I think it's a longshot, personally.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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