Anyway, I'm probably gonna sleep through the day because I've gotta work 11-7 tonight 'til tomorrow morning, so I'll respond to any posts after this today in early evening/late afternoon if I get the chance to do so.
Oh good god, this game is so complicated. -_- I just had a thought that may seem a little conspiracy theoristic, but here goes.
What if Yanni decided that, because he was irredeemably scum, he would start a ****load of fires everywhere and shout, "WOLF!" to get a reaction out of people?
What if Yanni knows Zebi is town because Yanni is scum but wants to throw Zebi under the bus in case we take Yanni down because of all the trouble he's causing as a continuation of a possible plot created by Artifice?
I still think Zebi is scum and Arty is town, but it's worth consideration.
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The appropiate response to being called scum buddies with someone would be to distance yourself, not go with "deny everything" which is what you and Iso have been doing to my evidence. Instead of just saying "nope, that's not true" you could say "That's not true because of X Y and Z" Iso did a some what effective job of this, however, I still believe he is scum.[/font][/color]
I think the appropriate response would be strictly contingent upon a player's playstyle. Any way we would have denied it or distanced ourselves you would have likely accused us of being scumbuddies for. If we had simply distanced ourselves, I can see your reaction being, "Well why didn't you deny it when I accused you of being scumbuddies?" Well, because no matter what we do in response, you're going to be convinced (or at least attempt to convince everyone else you're convinced) that we're scum.
So you have no reason to think he's town, you just do. Got it.
What about the other questions?
Iso? Are you still there, or did you just not shut off MTGS?
If you're still there, I'd like an answer ASAP, please.
Sorry, I was asleep and I tend to leave this window open with my laptop in sleep mode so I can just pull it up and post when I feel like it. In regards to if you get lynched and you turn up town, then obviously we can't be scumbuddies, whether or not I'm scum. And, as I've stated prolifically several times already, I am not. So while it may boost either of our credibilities that we were not working with the other as scum if we wind up dead as town, I still don't think that's grounds to completely debase any accusations that you or I could be scum. If you die as town, that should by no means indicate that any less pressure should be put on you, and vice-versa. If you turn up dead as town, though, I'll try to help your ideas live on, and likewise, I hope you would do the same as town.
Wait, wait, wait. Who's ass are you covering and why? And why do you need to cover it? (Sorry if i missed it) Do you currently think manders is scum?
Because what i got from your post is "Mander's is scum, and is trying to make it seem like me and her are scum buddies, so when I get lynched please be suspicious of manders!" Is this the gist of what you're saying... if not please correct me.
I'm covering my ass. If Manders dies and turns out to be scum, I don't want people to start accusing me of being scum as well just because I was in agreement with a lot of what Manders said. I honestly am about 50-50 on Manders being scum right now, and as I said, time will tell. But yes, that's exactly what I was saying with that post.
unvote, vote: Yanni. I'll get back to Zebi later, maybe when he comes back to the game.
I'm still way up in the air about Manders, but you are not sounding Town at all. This post in particular contradicts itself and makes no sense. You're baiting them to make what most would consider scumtells so you can call them on that and appeasement later. You're ranting constantly and currently have zero credibility with me. All of your replies I feel like I can sum up with "No, YOU'RE wrong."
And it doesn't help your case that you somehow have town reads on Zebi, who I see as having done absolutely nothing for the game and only trying to start trouble or hop on an easy, defenseless wagon.
Ibug, you've seemed town to me from the start. I'm not certain about Manders, either, but I do agree that Yanni seems to just be causing trouble. He noticed the ridiculously stupid rift that Artifice is trying to create between Manders and I and the other players and jumped on it in a highly opportunistic manner. I realize that I'm kind of restating what you said in your post, but once again, I agree with you completely on Zebi. So all things considered, I think I'm going to have to
Unvote; Vote Yanni
I've been thinking more heavily about Arty's actions and I'm not entirely convinced he's scum, just stupid town. I more voted for him out of frustration at his inability to listen than anything else. I think I'll be able to tell later on in the game better, but for now, I'm going to accept Artifice 101 as town. That being said, I'm leaning town with Laquatus and Nikomaru. Laquatus because he seems to post more thoughtfully on matters and does seem legitimately like he's hunting scum. Nikomaru because I feel like he'd be more active in a game where he's scum, based on the fact that I know him IRL if for no other reason. Indomitablebug is a sincere-seeming individual, and just about everything he's said regarding his thoughts on other players has made sense to me. So I'm convinced ibug is town. I'm also pretty sure Ormagoden is also town on the grounds that I gave in a previous post. Manders, I'm still iffy about, because her motives and emotions are seeming to go all over the place. I can't tell if that's because she's being passionate about killing scum or because she thinks emotional reactions are going to make her seem more like a frustrated townie and less like a scum who wants to kill everyone. I haven't made a decision about Prplcheez or Sepiriel yet. Zebi is looking like scum to me, and obviously Yanni is having a similar effect on, well, just about everyone who's posted since he got here. Not sure about PinkFloyd yet.
So here's my comprehensive list:
indomitablebug - Town
Ormagoden - Town
Nikomaru - Town
Artifice 101 - Town
Ambassador Laquatus - Town
PinkFloyd - Town?
Sepiriel - Unsure
Prplcheez - Unsure
MandersHez - Unsure
Zebi - Scum
Yanni - Scum
If I missed anyone, let me know, because I'm dead tired and not being as thorough as I could be with checking who's said what right now.
He called himself bad, which is playing the noob card.
case, meet point. You're coaching from the thread. Get lynched plox. Mod, could we get a vote count?
I didn't say I was a noob. I said I wasn't very good. I've had LOTS of experience with Mafia, and I am by no means new to the game at all. If Manders and I were scum, would she not be coaching me in scumtalk so as to not call suspicion to us? Your accusations are just as ridiculous as Artifice's.
*yawn* I wasn't referring to that post at all, however, it does seem like a little bit of coaching.
I have a feeling your trying to get Iso to stop trying to play the newb card, which oculd also out you and himself as a scum buddy, AKA, coaching.G
Goodday
If you bothered reading all of the posts in this thread, you would understand exactly why those weren't coaching posts. The first one was because I put myself down as a player and Manders doesn't like it when people put themselves down. The second one was because, as I explained in a previous post, responses to questions not directed at you can give the questionee breathing room in the event that they were scum and couldn't come up with a legitimate reason for saying or doing what they were doing originally. My response was sarcasm, but the message was noted. Why are you trying SO HARD to find meaning where there is none? You're doing exactly what Arty is doing, and frankly, that's just annoying. I got 4 hours of sleep last night after working 8 hours, then went right back to work, but once I wake up again, I'll post reads AND REASONS on everyone. Try not to get anyone killed while I'm napping, mmkay? .-.
Umm... I know you're in a heated debate with Manders and Iso, but so far the only thing they agreed on was that they wanted Nikomaru to post more. That is not enough to lynch.
Although I do want Iso and Manders to explain why they stated that if one of them gets lynched or killed it would prove the other is not scum?
Thank you, somebody understands.
As for the latter comment, I specifically stated the OPPOSITE of that. I said, if you recall, in an earlier post, that just because somebody agrees with me in the event that I get lynched or killed and I am town (which I am, and hoping I will not be lynched) does NOT clear their name. And then I went on to say that I agreed with Artifice that if Manders gets lynched, whether or not I'm scum based on her alignment is strictly WIFOM, meaning you wouldn't be able to base it on that. That comment was made to cover my ass in the event that Manders DOES get lynched or killed and IS scum, because honestly, saying something like that seems scummy and like she's trying to set me up to fail if she does.
What does the latter part of this sentence have to do with the former?
Was stating that to make it clear that while I agree with you on Zebi, I don't want to be blindly accused of buddying up with you by Arty just because I said, "I agree with you."
Hey guys, I'm replacing DarknessFalls. Thankfully this is day 1 so I can catch up on stuff fairly easy but is there anything anyone wants to bring my attention to?
Do you have an off button? Should I just stop acknowledging your blind accusations? What's it going to take? Should I try to get YOU lynched? I'm being serious, here. Do you have ANY basis for this AT ALL besides, "I think Manders and Iso are buddying up?
Can someone tell me WHY in the hell this post has every player name in the quotes posted with the letter "O" replacing all the vowels??? :-/:-/ WTF?
Me being silly again. Care to address anything I actually said in the post, though?
Also, I agree with Manders, I would like to see Nikomaru post more, though Arty, I would also agree with you that what Manders said about her getting lynched and us being scumbuddies or not is strictly WIFOM.
@Iso: There are some questions here I would like you to answer:
If everyone is you, Manders, maybe Zebi and a few others, then sure, EVERYONE has a scum tell.
Glad we agree!
I see sarcasm does not evade your watchful eyes. /more sarcasm
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Of course, but this seems an aweful lot like sitting the fence. Do you, or do you not think LuckN replaced because he was scum under pressure?
Tbh, I didn't pay all that much attention to LN until he got replaced. So I really don't know, but I'm keeping my eye on his replacement until I can get more info.
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Why are you trying to paint OMGoden in a scummy light, and why are you asking for assistence in doing so? What is your opinion, unassistend of OMGoden's play so far?
I'm not trying to paint him as scum, and I'm not asking for assistance in doing so. It seemed like a moderately unbased claim, so I was curious as to what factors contributed to that seemingly random "gut feeling". I personally feel like (based on emotional reactions and overall attempted usefulness in the investigation thus far) Ormo is town.
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Huh? [quote=Oso]If you convinced enough people that Manders was scum (and you seem rather persistent, so I wouldn't be surprised if you tried), and we lynched Manders and found her to be scum, that would automatically implicate me as scum, as well. I gave my reasoning for why I was in support of the gender claim (and race claim), so while we may have differing opinions on that, it can't hurt town, even if scum wants to flavor game. I don't know what I can say or do to convince you that I'm town, but at this point, I don't care, as you seem to blindly accuse anyone who does anything as being scummy. Your opinion in this game currently holds no merit to me because of this, so let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that. We'll see who turns out to be what if we lynch someone and when someone gets killed at night.[/QUOTE]Fearmongering, WIFOM, generalization, and no. I believe you are playing as scum and supporting your scumbuddy. I am filtering this through the two of you being associated through the real life connection with the Mod, but I'm still seeing something here. I'll readdress later, preferably when Manders has flipped.
Once again, it seems like you're just pulling all of that out of your ass. So once again, I ask, what are you basing these blind accusations on?
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Don't really have any read on Iso yet. As I've already stated, I th8ink Artifice 101 is town. MandersHex is probably my #1 pick for scum atm. indomitablebug... I just don't know.
Was going to ask you why you didn't mention anything about me in your long post. Fair enough answer for me.
Hearing this, Sep is probably town. When Sep and I were scum in Rax's game, he would do anything not to call attention to himself. Now he's doing the opposite.
That wouldn't necessarily be an indicator that he's not scum. He could very well change playstyles. I wouldn't count him out just yet.
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"There are no solid wagons."
"Except this one. I want in on this one."
Your vote was pure opportunism.
Vote Zebi
I /barn on Zebi, but I want to get a more solid read on you before I decide whether or not you're scum.
Perhaps if you explained what you're talking about, you'd get more on board.
I was just being silly in that post.
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Thanks. So far, I can sit up, but it's still quite painful.
I hope your back pain subsides soon.
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Well, how about you provide some examples of what you think doesn't seem like "in-thread mentoring" then. The only example in your latest big post was me asking him not to answer questions not directed at him, which is absolutely, unquestionably, "in-thread mentoring". Then we can go from there once you've cited examples.
Oh, I just considered that to be a, "If you answer this question sarcastically, Sepiriel may feel like it doesn't need to be acknowledged, so please don't interfere with people asking others questions." But, noted.
It doesn't point out who's iji, but it potentially pointed out who could be iji by elimanting possibilities. Anyway as you said it doesn't matter anymore.
Also i have to change my claim. According to a pm i recieved from Seppel yesterday around midnight i am lifeform that has no gender.
It occurred to me, upon reading this, that not only could Sentinels and Turrets be considered genderless, so could Blits. Blits are little space insect things that feed off of Nano, which is what runs the personal Nanofields of all of the characters that have one, for those who care. There are a few more machines that could be taken into account, one that I can't quite remember the name of, but I suppose what character a person is doesn't quite matter if we're not using flavor, unless we can somehow determine a role from that, which I would imagine is also considered flavor gaming.
Stance noted. Not agreed with, but noted. Oh and for clarity, the statement I wanted you to address was a hypothetical opinion I believed you might have, stated for you to respond to. I have my own theories, but they are still cooking and unfit to serve yet. IGMEOY.
So far, your "theories" consist of "EVERYONE HAS A SCUM TELL IN THIS GAME". So I can see why you'd hold off on that.
First of all, defense of Iso noted. Scum points also added.
Yes, because Iso is just so scummy.
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Bear with me here, as this paragraph inspired me, and I want to admittedly stretch and reapply it: I want to apply the thought process above to LuckNorris and the unenviable position he has left you in. Lets play the "Restate and Respond" game: "LuckNorris replacing out should be considered null because sometimes defeatism is a null tell, and it seems LuckN's replace is an example of defeatism turned into abandonment. In this case, it is therefore null." Thoughts?
/barn. Pretty jacked up thing to do and breaks the implied social contract that is a game of Mafia.
I don't necessarily feel that LN's departure was defeatism, it's highly possible that he was just busier than he thought he'd be and as a result, unable to post as often and with as much content as we would have preferred. That doesn't mean he's not scum, and while Sepiriel can't be held accountable for what LN said/did, we should watch Sep more carefully, because while I feel a clean slate is an entitlement at this point, it doesn't hurt to observe a new one on the scene with a bit of scrutiny.
Defeatism is a tactic commonly employed by scum once they are sure they cannot get out of a lynch, however it is a failing that happens even to townies most of the time, while i believe certain defeatist actions can be considered as a scum tell i dont think its something one can generalize and apply evenly to all cases.
To be clear your entire reason for voting ME right now is simply because of LN's actions nothing i have done so far fits anything in your listing.
Arty seems to be good at accusing people of defeatism for the simplest things. I wouldn't let it rattle you, but I would like to know more about your "gut feeling" on Ormagoden. Are there specific posts or phrases or even words that struck you?
Its telling that I think you're coaching scum Iso? And I've said as much? He's so enthusiatically behind your position he's falling all over himself. I have never regretted having a single vote more than now.
Are you really so hung up on me being scum? Why are you so convinced that I'm jumping to Manders's defense and supporting her when being an overenthusiastic scum would, again, scream, "LYNCH ME!"? If you convinced enough people that Manders was scum (and you seem rather persistent, so I wouldn't be surprised if you tried), and we lynched Manders and found her to be scum, that would automatically implicate me as scum, as well. I gave my reasoning for why I was in support of the gender claim (and race claim), so while we may have differing opinions on that, it can't hurt town, even if scum wants to flavor game. I don't know what I can say or do to convince you that I'm town, but at this point, I don't care, as you seem to blindly accuse anyone who does anything as being scummy. Your opinion in this game currently holds no merit to me because of this, so let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that. We'll see who turns out to be what if we lynch someone and when someone gets killed at night.
@ Iso: I understand what you're saying but lets say we do the math we end up with the town facing three possibilities (no iji, town iji, mafia iji) and the mafia only facing two possibilities since they know if mafia is iji. This means that gender claim helps scum more than it helps town.
@ Replacing: How do people treat replacement? Is it ussually a scum tell like maders thinks or is it a null tell? Also how do we even begin expecting Sepiriel to answer for Luck's past actions? Is he responsible for them or is a clean slate?
-_- I don't see how gender claim declares, "HAY GAIZ IM IJI LOL SUP". It just declares, "I'm male/female". But it's a moot point now that we've decided to claim.
As for replacements, I would imagine that we have to interpret Sepiriel's actions for Sepiriel's actions. We can't hold one player accountable for what another did. So, clean slate makes sense to me.
What if Yanni decided that, because he was irredeemably scum, he would start a ****load of fires everywhere and shout, "WOLF!" to get a reaction out of people?
What if Yanni knows Zebi is town because Yanni is scum but wants to throw Zebi under the bus in case we take Yanni down because of all the trouble he's causing as a continuation of a possible plot created by Artifice?
I still think Zebi is scum and Arty is town, but it's worth consideration.
So you're just basing everything on your gut?
I think the appropriate response would be strictly contingent upon a player's playstyle. Any way we would have denied it or distanced ourselves you would have likely accused us of being scumbuddies for. If we had simply distanced ourselves, I can see your reaction being, "Well why didn't you deny it when I accused you of being scumbuddies?" Well, because no matter what we do in response, you're going to be convinced (or at least attempt to convince everyone else you're convinced) that we're scum.
Sorry, I was asleep and I tend to leave this window open with my laptop in sleep mode so I can just pull it up and post when I feel like it. In regards to if you get lynched and you turn up town, then obviously we can't be scumbuddies, whether or not I'm scum. And, as I've stated prolifically several times already, I am not. So while it may boost either of our credibilities that we were not working with the other as scum if we wind up dead as town, I still don't think that's grounds to completely debase any accusations that you or I could be scum. If you die as town, that should by no means indicate that any less pressure should be put on you, and vice-versa. If you turn up dead as town, though, I'll try to help your ideas live on, and likewise, I hope you would do the same as town.
They don't?
I'm going to punch you through the internet if you keep saying "manor" instead of "manner". We're referring to a person's quirks, not their estate.
I'm covering my ass. If Manders dies and turns out to be scum, I don't want people to start accusing me of being scum as well just because I was in agreement with a lot of what Manders said. I honestly am about 50-50 on Manders being scum right now, and as I said, time will tell. But yes, that's exactly what I was saying with that post.
Ibug, you've seemed town to me from the start. I'm not certain about Manders, either, but I do agree that Yanni seems to just be causing trouble. He noticed the ridiculously stupid rift that Artifice is trying to create between Manders and I and the other players and jumped on it in a highly opportunistic manner. I realize that I'm kind of restating what you said in your post, but once again, I agree with you completely on Zebi. So all things considered, I think I'm going to have to
Unvote; Vote Yanni
I've been thinking more heavily about Arty's actions and I'm not entirely convinced he's scum, just stupid town. I more voted for him out of frustration at his inability to listen than anything else. I think I'll be able to tell later on in the game better, but for now, I'm going to accept Artifice 101 as town. That being said, I'm leaning town with Laquatus and Nikomaru. Laquatus because he seems to post more thoughtfully on matters and does seem legitimately like he's hunting scum. Nikomaru because I feel like he'd be more active in a game where he's scum, based on the fact that I know him IRL if for no other reason. Indomitablebug is a sincere-seeming individual, and just about everything he's said regarding his thoughts on other players has made sense to me. So I'm convinced ibug is town. I'm also pretty sure Ormagoden is also town on the grounds that I gave in a previous post. Manders, I'm still iffy about, because her motives and emotions are seeming to go all over the place. I can't tell if that's because she's being passionate about killing scum or because she thinks emotional reactions are going to make her seem more like a frustrated townie and less like a scum who wants to kill everyone. I haven't made a decision about Prplcheez or Sepiriel yet. Zebi is looking like scum to me, and obviously Yanni is having a similar effect on, well, just about everyone who's posted since he got here. Not sure about PinkFloyd yet.
So here's my comprehensive list:
indomitablebug - Town
Ormagoden - Town
Nikomaru - Town
Artifice 101 - Town
Ambassador Laquatus - Town
PinkFloyd - Town?
Sepiriel - Unsure
Prplcheez - Unsure
MandersHez - Unsure
Zebi - Scum
Yanni - Scum
If I missed anyone, let me know, because I'm dead tired and not being as thorough as I could be with checking who's said what right now.
I didn't say I was a noob. I said I wasn't very good. I've had LOTS of experience with Mafia, and I am by no means new to the game at all. If Manders and I were scum, would she not be coaching me in scumtalk so as to not call suspicion to us? Your accusations are just as ridiculous as Artifice's.
We'll see what happens.
If you bothered reading all of the posts in this thread, you would understand exactly why those weren't coaching posts. The first one was because I put myself down as a player and Manders doesn't like it when people put themselves down. The second one was because, as I explained in a previous post, responses to questions not directed at you can give the questionee breathing room in the event that they were scum and couldn't come up with a legitimate reason for saying or doing what they were doing originally. My response was sarcasm, but the message was noted. Why are you trying SO HARD to find meaning where there is none? You're doing exactly what Arty is doing, and frankly, that's just annoying. I got 4 hours of sleep last night after working 8 hours, then went right back to work, but once I wake up again, I'll post reads AND REASONS on everyone. Try not to get anyone killed while I'm napping, mmkay? .-.
Thank you, somebody understands.
As for the latter comment, I specifically stated the OPPOSITE of that. I said, if you recall, in an earlier post, that just because somebody agrees with me in the event that I get lynched or killed and I am town (which I am, and hoping I will not be lynched) does NOT clear their name. And then I went on to say that I agreed with Artifice that if Manders gets lynched, whether or not I'm scum based on her alignment is strictly WIFOM, meaning you wouldn't be able to base it on that. That comment was made to cover my ass in the event that Manders DOES get lynched or killed and IS scum, because honestly, saying something like that seems scummy and like she's trying to set me up to fail if she does.
Was stating that to make it clear that while I agree with you on Zebi, I don't want to be blindly accused of buddying up with you by Arty just because I said, "I agree with you."
Yep. Everyone's scum. You're screwed.
On that note, I have to wake up in 4 and a half hours to go to work. So I'll post more tomorrow night.
Do you have an off button? Should I just stop acknowledging your blind accusations? What's it going to take? Should I try to get YOU lynched? I'm being serious, here. Do you have ANY basis for this AT ALL besides, "I think Manders and Iso are buddying up?
Me being silly again. Care to address anything I actually said in the post, though?
Also, I agree with Manders, I would like to see Nikomaru post more, though Arty, I would also agree with you that what Manders said about her getting lynched and us being scumbuddies or not is strictly WIFOM.
I see sarcasm does not evade your watchful eyes. /more sarcasm
Tbh, I didn't pay all that much attention to LN until he got replaced. So I really don't know, but I'm keeping my eye on his replacement until I can get more info.
I'm not trying to paint him as scum, and I'm not asking for assistance in doing so. It seemed like a moderately unbased claim, so I was curious as to what factors contributed to that seemingly random "gut feeling". I personally feel like (based on emotional reactions and overall attempted usefulness in the investigation thus far) Ormo is town.
Once again, it seems like you're just pulling all of that out of your ass. So once again, I ask, what are you basing these blind accusations on?
Was going to ask you why you didn't mention anything about me in your long post. Fair enough answer for me.
I do want a more thorough explanation for this, though.
That wouldn't necessarily be an indicator that he's not scum. He could very well change playstyles. I wouldn't count him out just yet.
I /barn on Zebi, but I want to get a more solid read on you before I decide whether or not you're scum.
I was just being silly in that post.
I hope your back pain subsides soon.
Oh, I just considered that to be a, "If you answer this question sarcastically, Sepiriel may feel like it doesn't need to be acknowledged, so please don't interfere with people asking others questions." But, noted.
It occurred to me, upon reading this, that not only could Sentinels and Turrets be considered genderless, so could Blits. Blits are little space insect things that feed off of Nano, which is what runs the personal Nanofields of all of the characters that have one, for those who care. There are a few more machines that could be taken into account, one that I can't quite remember the name of, but I suppose what character a person is doesn't quite matter if we're not using flavor, unless we can somehow determine a role from that, which I would imagine is also considered flavor gaming.
So far, your "theories" consist of "EVERYONE HAS A SCUM TELL IN THIS GAME". So I can see why you'd hold off on that.
Yes, because Iso is just so scummy.
I don't necessarily feel that LN's departure was defeatism, it's highly possible that he was just busier than he thought he'd be and as a result, unable to post as often and with as much content as we would have preferred. That doesn't mean he's not scum, and while Sepiriel can't be held accountable for what LN said/did, we should watch Sep more carefully, because while I feel a clean slate is an entitlement at this point, it doesn't hurt to observe a new one on the scene with a bit of scrutiny.
Arty seems to be good at accusing people of defeatism for the simplest things. I wouldn't let it rattle you, but I would like to know more about your "gut feeling" on Ormagoden. Are there specific posts or phrases or even words that struck you?
Are you really so hung up on me being scum? Why are you so convinced that I'm jumping to Manders's defense and supporting her when being an overenthusiastic scum would, again, scream, "LYNCH ME!"? If you convinced enough people that Manders was scum (and you seem rather persistent, so I wouldn't be surprised if you tried), and we lynched Manders and found her to be scum, that would automatically implicate me as scum, as well. I gave my reasoning for why I was in support of the gender claim (and race claim), so while we may have differing opinions on that, it can't hurt town, even if scum wants to flavor game. I don't know what I can say or do to convince you that I'm town, but at this point, I don't care, as you seem to blindly accuse anyone who does anything as being scummy. Your opinion in this game currently holds no merit to me because of this, so let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that. We'll see who turns out to be what if we lynch someone and when someone gets killed at night.
Who's with me?!?
-_- I don't see how gender claim declares, "HAY GAIZ IM IJI LOL SUP". It just declares, "I'm male/female". But it's a moot point now that we've decided to claim.
As for replacements, I would imagine that we have to interpret Sepiriel's actions for Sepiriel's actions. We can't hold one player accountable for what another did. So, clean slate makes sense to me.