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Apr 19, 2018Actually, I never confirmed I didn't have enough money to buy it. I just said obtaining it might be difficult for me, opting to be coy about my reasons for stating such.Posted in: Mafia
I'd like either Gemma or Killjoy to drink the potion. I almost always think Killjoy is scum and he's an easy mislynch as town, so having the clout of being confirmed town behind him would (probably) prevent him from getting mislynched, or ensure his lynch if he is scum. As for Gemma: Vaimes was questionable, and Cantrip was nonexistent. A little bit of confirmation in the way of that slot would be nice.
Apr 19, 2018@Grapefruit: I've seen the hyperbus work, before.Posted in: Mafia
@Wuffs: I mean, at least do it before tomorrow, please? I believe that's when our deadline is.
In light of the deadline, I'd like to be able to keep an eye on the thread, but my girlfriend's birthday is this weekend so it's extremely unlikely I'll be able to make it in here at some point.
Do me proud, boys, and lynch Silver.
Apr 19, 2018Admittedly, I hate being wrong, which is why it's hard for me to let go of an opinion once I've formed it, and I hate being convinced I'm wrong when I end up being right even more. But I'm trying to be better about it.Posted in: Mafia
Apr 19, 2018Posted in: MafiaQuote from dawningbluesky »
I don't remember what your scum/town reads are, so idk if I'm defending/shading any of them. who are they again? if you mean Vezok for scum, I don't think his approach towards claiming has been scummy so far. and if you remember, I was right about few things you disagreed on before, so I'd say our disagreement isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Name some times?
Quote from Grapefruit21 »@Iso I knew you wouldn't like that characterization of it because it was a bit sassy, but that's what it reads like. You saw things that tied me, atog, and Vezok together. Silver disagreed with the reasons that tied atog to Vezok and me and pushed you on them. This led you to you thinking he was scum because you felt it was a ironclad reason. Is there something I'm missing? Because that's what the post you linked earlier reads like. My larger point is that what's the play for scum!Silver here? He's not trying to move you off Vezok or me. Just Atog with us. Which isn't a play I'd see him sticking his neck out for.
Fair enough on the wall. I'd like to hear thoughts from someone, someday. But walls like that usually get ignored.
No thoughts on wagoning Atog today?
Also I see no reason for you to offer to kill yourself with your role. Does not seem worth it at all.
* It started with me not being able to comprehend how Silver was unable to comprehend my angle. It read like feigned ignorance, and intentionally missing the point. It developed from there.
* I'm not worried about Atog.
* I literally said I'm no longer able to kill myself with my role, so...
Quote from Wuffles_II »The above post was Iso asking me if I had any more content to add, btw. the tags just got messed up.
Thoughts on the past few pages?
Quote from vezokpiraka »Also Iso on the last pages has been really townie. I don't really see scum changing their opinions so quickly although Iso is a master scum player.
I'm a master scum player, which is why you thought you caught me so early in the game? Am I easily meta-able or not? You can't have your cake and eat it, vezok. What are you basing "Iso is a master scum player" on?
Apr 19, 2018Hey dawn, are you planning on doing anything other than defend my scumreads and throw shade at my townreads?Posted in: Mafia
Quote from Grapefruit21 »
A couple but nothing overly important. Are you still scum reading me? General feedback on my reads wall, would be nice. In particular on my town leans section. I have too many there, but think I like all of them.
And lastly: is your scum read on Silver really entirely stemming from that fact that he thinks the third member of your scum team doesn't fit with the first two (which he agree's with) so he must be scum trying to derail your wagon to save Atog of all people?
Also if you're opposed to a DotA wagon what about an Atog one?
Your read wall made me go but I can't remember why and I don't feel like looking back on it just yet. I'm probably still scumreading you but I would need to re-sort everything mentally with the influx of information I just took in and possibly the additional information of a flip. I can probably provide more solid reads Day 2 (and on that note, I can't kill myself toNight any more for [reasons].)
I don't really like your mischaracterization of my Silver read, FWIW.
Appreciate you taking the time; you know how I play. Real-time interactions help me sort things out.
Apr 19, 2018Posted in: Mafia
What do you think about Cyan's progression with last (in that he scumread him, then he listened to tom, then he's doing this song and dance/questioning him, then coming to the conclusion that last is bad town)? I reread that exchange and I feel like Cyan would be way more rigid/speak in more certainties if he actually had knowledge of last's alignment.
Fair also WRT the lurking. Reason why I'm looking at both killjoy and DoTArchon here is that they both made it a point to vote him when he's the largest wagon and I'm like :thinking:
I don't know; I think scumCyan could have easily decided that he was going to lose that battle if he tried to push it further and then dropped it in a way that he thought seemed organic. Though I agree that it's probably a point in his favor that he actually didn't just push LW because he thought he could. Though admittedly, that could easily become a "he knew he'd look bad for it" thing, so it's just wine all the way through.
Quote from Wuffles_II »:popcorn: loving this discussion guys.
Is...that all you have to add to it? :thinking_face:
Apr 19, 2018Ah, okay, looks like it stemmed from the discussion that Silver and I had surrounding the vezok/Atog interactions early on, where he claimed not to understand and I just could not fathom how he could not comprehend what I was saying. Also, this post:Posted in: Mafia
Quote from Silvercrys3467 »
Yes, they've had bizarre interactions, but I still don't understand what you think makes their bizarre interactions necessarily "awkward interactions between scum mates" as opposed to... anything else, like just Vezok scum, or Vezok/Grape/not Atog, etcetera etcetera.
Like. Are you just scum reading anything that sticks out to you and isn't directly contradicted by something else?
I'm chortling as I read this post because this is how it reads to me: "Do you have any reason to be scum reading these scum reads other than the reasons you've already presented? I mean, I know they haven't been refuted, yet, but still - stop pestering my buddies? Please?"
I love it.
Apr 19, 2018Posted in: Mafia
tom.. ask me about tom at like, Day 3. I can try to take a stab at reading him right now but I find him much more easier to approach once we have had some flips and I can look at him from a more macro perspective. He's kind of similar to dawningbluesky in that regard; I don't have much success with them reading their posts and trying to track mindset, but I sure as heck can PoE them out once I've had hard alignment information to work off of.
Cyan.. Cyan. I'm a little weirded out at how he went from slightly scumreading me to townreading me so quickly but what I have in my notes is that he seems to be more engaged in this game than in the Invitational, where he kind of just died. I also like his progression on Last (similar to Rhand) - I feel like he'd be a lot more rigid as scum. So slight townread at the moment?
The reason why I'm so gungho about voting lurkers despite it being Day 1 is because I've continuously observed scum lurkers being given free passes on MTGS moreso than other sites. (See: Cythare/Kabazame in Zero Escape, Quickhoodies in Silence of the Lambs) - I told myself when I joined a game again on MTGS to pressure lurkers moreso than usual and see what the results are.
I feel like scumtom usually has a motive or angle that he's vaguely trying to shepherd the town into achieving, and I don't really get that vibe from him in this game. Nothing sinister about his posts.
I'm questioning Cyan's authenticity because he makes it a point to scumread me in every game we're in together (and then claims to be able to read me because he always pushes for my lynch as scum because...well, he always pushes for my lynch), but it feels like bravado. Like...I don't think my opening posts were even remotely close to scummy, and Cyan decided that I was scum for them. Actually, that raises a great question:
Hey Cyan, what made you think I was scum so early on?
You say he's more engaged than the Invitational, but I don't think that's really a fair comparison because his entire team got blown out and I caught him before he even posted. He also stated that he was having difficulty actually getting engaged in this game to begin with.
I can respect where you're coming from with the lurkerstuff, and I do think that's a reasonable approach to take when there aren't any other viable options; I'm just hesitant to lynch lurkers on Day 1 because I've seen town get bandwagoned so often on Day 1 as a CFD lynch on the premise of lurking, and I still think I'd like DoT to incriminate his buddies before lynching him.
Apr 19, 2018Okay, re-read the Silver post. I don't really know what he means by "magic bag" so I'm going to ignore that for the moment. I think that Silver's mindset there does read genuinely annoyed, but scum can get genuinely annoyed, too. Genuine emotion is not necessarily indicative of townieness. I do think he makes several good points about vezok, which actually makes a lot of sense with them being scum together (as I could easily see that frustration stemming from a lazy scumbuddy lazily busing him and getting away with it), but if Silver is scum, it also indicates that vezok might be more likely to be town and Silver is just annoyed that vezok is (shockingly) on the money and that it's sticking.Posted in: Mafia
Apr 19, 2018Posted in: Mafia
That'd be great. I just.. don't see him, in his first real scum game, being able to make a post as dramatic/a post that shows so much insight into his thought process as 908. I feel like that post would have to come off as more.. crafted/a little less genuine if scum!Silver made that post and I'm just reading it and going "man there's just so much raw emotion here, emotion that I don't think he ever experiences as scum". So.. I'd like to hear what you think about that post specifically, and tell me if Silver is capable of faking it in his first real scum game.Quote from Iso »Silver posts are difficult for me to elaborate on for as to why I feel that way about him, but something feels "off". I can try to read through him and see if I pick up anything weird I can work with, if you'd like?
Fair enough, thanks for explaining it in a more thorough/detailed way.Quote from Iso »With regards to vezok, eh, I'm not still convinced that he isn't just scum, but I'm trying not to tunnel so hard and maybe he's just bad at appearing townie? I've admittedly fallen prey to thinking many a townie that just weren't good at being town were scum because...well, duh. I mean, there's still the whole flagrantly scummy approach that vezok took to deciding to scumread me for my meta that he didn't even bother looking at before deciding that it was my meta that made me scum, but really, I just feel like pushing him at this juncture isn't going to be productive; ultimately, I'm tabling him for later.
When I was reading your posts I'm just here sitting "dang, Iso thinks Grapefruit, Silver, and vezok are scum, but Grape + Silver are voting for vezok. Does Iso think that they're just bussing their scumbuddy and trying to get through the day?"Quote from Iso »So your hypothesis is what, that I somehow arbitrarily decided that vezok, Togs, and Grapefruit were going to be scummy all game long and that I should just push them from the get-go because I psychically knew that people would be on-board with that? I'm not really sure what your angle is, here. I admittedly didn't pick up on the Silver trail until someone else mentioned him, but I have held to that read, as well.
Though now that you've started to re-evaluate on vezok and I can look into your mindset a little here that's tapered off, but that's what I was thinking of and that's why I wanted you to talk to me.
Wanna try this?Quote from Iso »Also, like I said, I don't feel too great about DoT, so I'm thinking there's room in my list to be wrong about someone, as mentioned.
Unvote, vote DoTArchon
He gave me town vibes when he was in the thread like three weeks ago but he literally has had no progression on vezok. ISO him and tell me what you think?
I'd be glad to lynch either of them toDay, but Silver over DoT since DoT gives us no interaction data and I imagine scumSilver is a bigger threat than scumDoT (no offense, DoT). I'll keep my ear to the ground and move my vote if the DoT wagon gains traction.
Let me get back to you on the Silver thing after I re-read that post you're referencing, here.
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