Quote from NightmareVampireAll the people saying "not blue!" make me want to make a mono blue deck.... and then get crushed
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It's not like you're talking about Olivia, NIv Mizzet, or Ætherling. All you're doing is attacking and blocking with these things, while making your sweepers worse.
Quote from muzykalscorpioWARNING: This ended up being a very long post, so I stuck it behind spoilers for viewing purposes + convenience to others reading the thread. I'd appreciate anyone willing to take the time to help out with my inquiry. Thanks in advance.
Alrighty, I've been going back and forth and back and forth on deck iterations, "theorycrafting," all sorts of junk and not jumped into the proper full on testing level 'cause I'm somewhat scared or afraid of the investment*. Which is odd, 'cause to be honest, I don't have a budget (I'm slowly piecing together a Voice of Resurgence playset, for example)... but I digress?
* I am not spending any money on Innistrad Block or Magic 2013 cards. I am only focused on Return To Ravnica Block, Magic 2014, and going forward on. *
So I want to build a deck to take to these weekly Sunday Type II / Standard tournaments. I guess they are FNM equivalent*, but I haven't been to one yet -- very relevant to the dilemma, 'cause I don't know the metagame, but that's not my actual issue. For the most part, I just wanna play and have fun and win... having fun is most important, but winning is a big enough deal to me to "wanna try harder" (note: 'placing' in Top 8 is acceptable to me, even if I bottom out there).
* The last tournament of every month, top prize is a booster box. Not sure if this is common / usual. *
Anyway, so I have been going back and forth on coming up with my own decklists, or seeing random ideas of decklists on the forums, and I've basically come down to (or commonly messed around with) -SEVEN- different decks. As noted before, I have not even considered snagging any cards before Return To Ravnica Block -- (not posting in the Competitive section, I believe) -- and would rather not do so.
That all said... these are the ideas / lists I've been messing around with:
 W/U/r Control
-- wincons: AEtherling + Jace, Memory Adept + Assemble the Legion ?
 Selesnya Auras (W/G)
-- wincons: (Hexproof + Auras) + Voice of Resurgence ? + Unflinching Courage ?
 Maze's End (W/U/b/r/G)
-- wincons: Maze's End + Crackling Perimeter + Jace, Memory Adept ?
 Jund ... Something? (B/r/G)
-- wincons: (Sire of Insanity + Shrieking Affliction) + Deathrite Shaman ? + Vraska the Unseen ?
( ~ lots of removal like Dreadbore, Putrefy, Abrupt Decay, etc. ~ )
 Orzhov Life Drain (W/B)
-- wincons: (Tenacious Dead, with...) + Gnawing Zombie + Angelic Accord + Bubbling Cauldron
 Izzet Aggro? Midrange? Tempo??? (U/R)
-- wincons: Nivix Cyclops + Disperse / Cyclonic Rift + ... Jace, Memory Adept ?
( ~ maybe my least thought out design, though, if not the next one ~ )
 Defender Mill Thing (U/b/r/G)
-- wincons: Axebane Guardian + Doorkeeper + Psychic Spiral + Rakdos's Return ?
Some stuff I "think" I know about myself:
> I feel like I'm really wanting a Control deck, but I'm not sure if I'm confusing that with White + Blue being my favorite color combinations or not, it's weird?
> Whenever I come up with a deck idea / list / anything, I try to make sure there are "at least three" roads to victory. (Example 1: combat damage, noncombat damage, decking / milling. Example 2: AEtherling unblockable, Jace, Memory Adept 0 mill ability, Assemble the Legion overwhelming / overruning somehow?)
> I intimidate myself, mostly, but everyone / everything always indicates that the current state of Standard is just way too fast for most decks. While I'd love to "prove this wrong," I'm afraid of investing in a deck that can't stay alive for the first six turns. (Losing on the 7th turn is okay, though... in a weird way...)
> My favorite / "best" deck ever was around Invasion Block (... yeah), a U/G/b deck with lots of bounce, control, and answers to stuffs. Above all, it had "draw power." I feel uncomfortable with a deck that is purely luck of the draw gaming, where I have no way of controlling what I get next and or how fast I get it.
> My favorite Ravnica guild is Azorius. Runner-up is Boros. Honorable mention to Orzhov.
I'm not looking to build the cheapest deck ever, as I mentioned, there isn't really a budget. Just "criteria," so to speak. But with that in mind, I have maybe half of the cards (or more) for just about each one of the above decks. Maybe not playsets, but at least 1-ofs or 2-ofs. That said, this means once I pick a direction, the rest are all becoming trade fodder to funnel into the main idea I go with.So, any tips, help, advice, suggestions, etc. would be greatly appreciated!! The deck ideas are 'kinda sorta maybe' listed in order from ones I like or favor the most to the least, but then again, I haven't dived head first into any of them yet, still, so I'm not 100% confident in any single one yet (or have 100% faith in it accomplishing all I want it to)... just... not the cost of investment holding me back with worries, but the time or effort of the investment itself.
Either way, that's all I've got to say. Thanks in advance!
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Fixing in standard might be great, but seems like many thinks it can support running Liliana, Aetherling, Dissipate and Supreme Verdict in one deck
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Ertai's Staff 1U
Legendary Artifact - Equipment
Equip to Wizard 5U
Equipped creature has vigilance, ":symtap:: Counter target spell.", and "Players can't cast spells during your upkeep step or your draw step".
This basically rewards blue for doing the 5 things that it is most likely to do by allowing it to be even more disruptive.
Quote from jland13Aw good ol Blade332, =)
One obvious benefit of the PW's in this deck is their cmc is much lower than those finishers. Lili comes down turn 3 and Jace and Sorin come down turn 4. Jus saying. Still messing with it though.
Oh, btw Lili has been awesome, another form of removal and usually I am usually pitching land late game or high cmc junk early (not needed Terminus etc). I like her cmc a lot too. Turn 3 is pretty vital in this meta, and she makes an impact immediately.
Quote from Blade332I've been having good results with a finisher package of
1 Aetherling 2 Obzedat, Ghost Council 2 Blood Baron of Vizkopa