Quote from Volrath »Quote from NornThisWay »Quote from Volrath »Quote from Cranial_extraction »Quote from NornThisWay »Interestingly, their arguments for banning Baral in the deck (as opposed to just as the commander) and Smuggler's Copter echo the complaints that a lot of players have about Sol Ring in EDH, in that it unfairly advantages the players who happen to draw it early.
This is why I want WotC to take over the Commander banlist. Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, and Mana Vault make games terrible when they show up on one side.
The thing is. Fast mana is fundemental to EDH. Everybody has acces to these cards. Sure, sometimes you get lucky with your fast mana. Sometimes your opponent gets lucky. Sometimes that elves player swarms you t3. Sometimes you get stormed t2. If your playgroup is not that competitive, houseban the fastmana and problem cards. Do not drag the people that like these vintage style cards and playstyles to your more casual view of what the format should be.
Also. If you like playing new cards and don't want fastmana in your group. Then brawl is the format for you.
I think it's more a problem in large LGS communities where you have casual/competitive players mixed and the only normalizing factor is the official banned list. Like, it's no fun for anyone when one person shows up with a deck trying to combo out on turn 3 and everyone else is playing more casual decks. That said, I don't know if banning the super efficient mana rocks, effectively killing competitive multiplayer, is a good idea. Also, not everyone practically has access to mana vault and mana crypt. Vault can be rare and is still medium expensive, and crypt is still prohibitively expensive for many players.
Just do what people in ye'old vintage did. Play Null Rod and it's ilk. Learn to play answers.
Most people don't play enough answers in EDH. They just want to durdle and do their thing and get mad when their 10000/10000 Omnath gets pathed or their Gideon.deck gets Pithing Needled into a halt. They could have remedied this by playing more protection cards to protect their omnath or disenchants to get rid of needle effects on Gideons. But they won't. Disenchant isn't cool. They want to play more Gideons..
Even if you'r more casual inclined, you should learn the value of playing your own mana accel etc and answers to the things your opponent is trying to do.
The fact that they kept Copter banned in brawl because it defines who's gonna win leads me to believe wotc would ban the fast mana if they took over. Too many games are decided by who goes "land, sol ring, mana crypt, (whatever)". Stuff like Thran Dynamo, and Worn Powerstone are fine. But no rock should make more than it's own cost right off the bat. Especially on turn 1.