D'OH! You're right. I knew it was one of the Pre-Thoughtseize 1-drop discard spells, and for some reason brain-farted on which one (and didn't bother to double check.)
@ KeySam Running 2 FoF means that you are Twice as likely as I am to lose draw spell to Cabal Therapy and the like. I'm not going to argue that DA is better than FoF because it is not. It's just better than FoF in this particular situation. The cards that people name against me most often are Gifts, FoF, Wish, and Early Harvest. Making them whiff more often seems better to me than having another FoF. At this point, however, we are probably splitting hairs because the difference will be nearly undectable in any match-up without Cabal Therapies.
Another argument, IMO, in favor of the 2/2 Facts/DA split, is that many decks with Therapy also come with a good clock; i.e., Dredge, Doran, even some versions of Affinity. I realize that discard w/out a clock is generally not a big problem for Heartbeat, but the first two decks I named are a significant percentage of the field. And flashing back DA is a free bolt in exchange for...two random cards off the top? I just think that Fact or Fiction's raw power is sufficient to win the card advantage war once resolved, though I do agree that the CA density should be diversified to protect us from Therapy, even though the Heartbeat decks which have T8'ed this season seem to be using the old "3 Facts main, 1 Side" configuration.
Also, what is everyone's thoughts on Scapeshift? I know you need to either have the mana floating for an Early Harvest, or have one ready off of a Desire, but wouldn't it make subsequent Desires that much better? And subsequent draw spells, for that matter. Is the comes into play tapped clause too risky? Or has anyone actually tested it yet?
Maybe, but if stupid people were, in fact, shot on sight, those shooting them would have less use to use them as the idiots numbers decreased, and without the idiots, we'd have less people that were driven to use guns. At least, driven to use guns in stupid ways. It's a self-fixing problem. Those deemed worthy to shoot on sight lose a reason to shoot if they do their job, and those being shot, obviously, can't use guns anymore. I have to go with the shoot on sight theory. -Jack
Great Furnace and its ilk are non-basic lands, so Blood Moon changes them into Mountains. However, Blood Moon does nothing to change the card type, so Great Furnace becomes an Artifact Land - Mountain.
Edit: I guess Great Furnace is a bad example because it already produces :symr:. Seat of the Synod also becomes an Artifact Land - Mountain.
Note that this also means, obviously, that Seat of the Synod no longer produces U, because Blood Moon overwrites that ability.
hmm, can't say what the hell he was playing....i couldn't keep track of his cards. lol. gotta love games like that though.
But, you can laugh at me too, because even though i've seen Uba before, i still don't know what it did until i looked it up.
But you didn't have one sitting in front of you. It's one thing to have to look up a card when it's referenced on a message board, but to not read one when it's played right in front of you is just ignorance.
First of all, the join note was something to the effect of "Type 1 TMD/SCG 2/3 good players ENG". This is usually a decent indicator of a decent player/person-in-general.
This time, it was wrong.
I'm playing Mono-Red Uba$T4KS, he's playing...well, it's Black, Red, and White. That's about all I can say about it.
0:00:00 [Sje118] <-------- New Game Started -------->
0:00:00 [Sje118] Sje118's Security Code: 3B71E6DD [???]
0:00:00 [Sje118] PopeZBT's Security Code: 2C83C4F5 [Type 1.5]
0:00:00 [Sje118] It is now turn 1 (Sje118)
0:00:00 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:02 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> Hey
0:00:02 [Sje118] <Sje118> hi
0:00:03 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT rolled a 2, using a 20 sided die
0:00:04 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT shuffles library
0:00:04 [Sje118] Sje118 rolled a 6, using a 20 sided die
0:00:05 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT shuffles library
0:00:06 [Sje118] <Sje118> pl
0:00:06 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT shuffles library
0:00:06 [Sje118] Sje118 shuffles library
0:00:07 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT shuffles library
0:00:07 [Sje118] Sje118 shuffles library
0:00:08 [Sje118] Sje118 shuffles library
0:00:09 [Sje118] Sje118 draws 7 cards
0:00:09 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT draws 7 cards
0:00:13 [Sje118] Sje118 takes a mulligan
0:00:15 [Sje118] Sje118 takes a mulligan
0:00:15 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> keep
0:00:16 [Sje118] <Sje118> kp
0:00:20 [Sje118] Sje118 plays Swamp from Hand
0:00:22 [Sje118] <Sje118> End my turn
0:00:24 [PopeZBT] It is now turn 2 (PopeZBT)
0:00:24 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:25 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:00:25 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT draws a card
0:00:25 [PopeZBT] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:29 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Mishra's Workshop from Hand
0:00:31 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:00:33 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Mana Vault from Hand
0:00:35 [Sje118] <Sje118> Ok
0:00:35 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> Ok?
0:00:38 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Sphere of Resistance from Hand
0:00:42 [Sje118] <Sje118> ok
0:00:45 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> End my turn
0:00:46 [Sje118] It is now turn 3 (Sje118)
0:00:46 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:46 [Sje118] Sje118 untaps his/her permanents
0:00:47 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:00:48 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:00:48 [Sje118] Sje118 draws a card
0:00:49 [Sje118] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:50 [Sje118] Sje118 plays Bloodstained Mire from Hand
0:01:02 [Sje118] <Sje118> End my turn
0:01:04 [PopeZBT] It is now turn 4 (PopeZBT)
0:01:04 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:01:06 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps his/her permanents
0:01:06 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:01:07 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:01:07 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT draws a card
0:01:07 [PopeZBT] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:01:15 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Wasteland from Hand
0:01:17 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:01:23 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Wasteland
0:01:26 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps Wasteland
0:01:27 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps Mishra's Workshop
0:01:30 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:01:36 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mana Vault
0:01:44 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps Mana Vault
0:01:45 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps Mishra's Workshop
0:01:47 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> Thinking
0:01:50 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:01:52 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mana Vault
0:01:56 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Smokestack from Hand
0:01:58 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT's life total is now 19 (-1)
0:02:01 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> End my turn
0:02:03 [Sje118] It is now turn 5 (Sje118)
0:02:03 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:02:04 [Sje118] Sje118 untaps his/her permanents
0:02:05 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:02:05 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:02:06 [Sje118] Sje118 draws a card
0:02:07 [Sje118] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:02:09 [Sje118] <Sje118> End my turn
0:02:12 [PopeZBT] It is now turn 6 (PopeZBT)
0:02:12 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:02:13 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps his/her permanents
0:02:13 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:02:20 [PopeZBT] Smokestack now has 1 (+1) counters.
0:02:22 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT sacrifices Mana Vault
0:02:24 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:02:24 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT draws a card
0:02:24 [PopeZBT] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:02:32 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Mountain from Hand
0:02:33 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:02:36 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Sphere of Resistance from Hand
0:02:45 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> End my turn
0:02:50 [Sje118] It is now turn 7 (Sje118)
0:02:50 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:02:51 [Sje118] Sje118 untaps his/her permanents
0:02:52 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Bloodstained Mire to Graveyard from Play
0:02:53 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:02:54 [Sje118] Sje118 draws a card
0:02:55 [Sje118] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:02:56 [Sje118] <Sje118> End my turn
0:02:59 [PopeZBT] It is now turn 8 (PopeZBT)
0:02:59 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:03:01 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps his/her permanents
0:03:01 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:03:10 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> Thinking
0:03:17 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT sacrifices Sphere of Resistance
0:03:19 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:03:20 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT draws a card
0:03:20 [PopeZBT] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:03:26 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Mishra's Workshop from Hand
0:03:29 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:03:30 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mountain
0:03:32 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Trinisphere from Hand
0:03:37 [Sje118] <Sje118> Ok
0:03:41 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> End my turn
0:03:42 [Sje118] It is now turn 9 (Sje118)
0:03:42 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:03:43 [Sje118] Sje118 untaps his/her permanents
0:03:44 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Swamp to Graveyard from Play
0:03:45 [Sje118] Sje118 draws a card
0:03:46 [Sje118] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:03:47 [Sje118] <Sje118> End my turn
0:03:49 [PopeZBT] It is now turn 10 (PopeZBT)
0:03:49 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:03:51 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps his/her permanents
0:03:51 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:03:53 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:03:54 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT draws a card
0:03:54 [PopeZBT] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:03:56 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:03:56 [Sje118] <Sje118> ummm
0:03:57 [Sje118] <Sje118> sac
0:03:57 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT undone last draw [1 card(s)]
0:04:01 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> sorry
0:04:04 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT sacrifices Smokestack
0:04:06 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:04:06 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT draws a card
0:04:06 [PopeZBT] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:04:10 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Wasteland from Hand
0:04:24 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> Thinking
0:04:34 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:04:41 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:04:44 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Chalice of the Void from Hand
0:04:46 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> x=2
0:04:49 [Sje118] <Sje118> ok
0:04:52 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT's life total is now 18 (-1)
0:04:54 [Sje118] <Sje118> set a note
0:04:58 [PopeZBT] Chalice of the Void now has 2 (+2) counters.
0:05:01 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> End my turn
0:05:02 [Sje118] It is now turn 11 (Sje118)
0:05:02 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:05:03 [Sje118] Sje118 untaps his/her permanents
0:05:04 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:05:04 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:05:04 [Sje118] Sje118 draws a card
0:05:05 [Sje118] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:05:07 [Sje118] <Sje118> End my turn
0:05:10 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Moat to Graveyard from Hand
0:05:10 [PopeZBT] It is now turn 12 (PopeZBT)
0:05:11 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:05:13 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps his/her permanents
0:05:13 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:05:19 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:05:19 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT draws a card
0:05:19 [PopeZBT] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:05:24 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:05:27 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mountain
0:05:29 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Wasteland
0:05:31 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Uba Mask from Hand
At this point, we settle into draw go, obviously.
0:08:14 [PopeZBT] It is now turn 22 (PopeZBT)
0:08:14 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:08:17 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps his/her permanents
0:08:17 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:08:22 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:08:26 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Wasteland into play from Library
0:08:30 [PopeZBT] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:08:33 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Wasteland
0:08:33 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mountain
0:08:33 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Wasteland
0:08:33 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Barbarian Ring
0:08:33 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Wasteland
0:08:34 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT's life total is now 17 (-1)
0:08:37 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Wheel of Fortune from Hand (I added Wheel of fortune just as a random F U with Uba Mask/refill my prison elements)
0:08:47 [Sje118] <Sje118> Ok
0:08:50 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Mox Ruby into play from Library
0:08:52 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Great Furnace into play from Library
0:08:55 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Mishra's Workshop into play from Library
0:08:55 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Sensei's Divining Top to Graveyard from Hand
0:08:55 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Hypnotic Specter to Graveyard from Hand
0:08:55 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Balance to Graveyard from Hand
0:08:55 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Dark Confidant to Graveyard from Hand
0:08:55 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Swords to Plowshares to Graveyard from Hand
0:08:55 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Duress to Graveyard from Hand
0:08:57 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Mox Jet into play from Library
0:08:57 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Hide/Seek into play from Library
0:08:59 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Mox Sapphire into play from Library
0:09:00 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Mountain into play from Library
0:09:00 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Vampiric Tutor into play from Library
0:09:01 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Moat into play from Library
0:09:02 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Mountain into play from Library
0:09:03 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Bloodstained Mire into play from Library
0:09:05 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Sol Ring into play from Library (Can someone enlighten me as to what this deck does?)
0:10:25 [Sje118] <Sje118> Ok
0:10:26 [Sje118] It is now turn 25 (Sje118)
0:10:26 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:10:26 [Sje118] Sje118 untaps his/her permanents
0:10:28 [Sje118] Sje118 taps Swamp
0:10:28 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:10:29 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:10:31 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Scrubland into play from Library
0:10:41 [Sje118] <Sje118> End my turn
0:10:47 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> wait...
0:10:57 [Sje118] <Sje118> ?
0:11:03 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> you can't play the cards removed with Mask after the turn they're removed
0:11:14 [Sje118] <Sje118> ah (Apparently he's never seen or played against Uba Mask before...)
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Duress to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Swords to Plowshares to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Thoughtseize to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Imperial Seal to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Aven Mindcensor to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Flooded Strand to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Hide/Seek to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Mox Sapphire to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Vampiric Tutor to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Moat to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Bloodstained Mire to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Sol Ring to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Scrubland to RFG from Play
0:11:23 [Sje118] <Sje118> End my turn
0:11:26 [PopeZBT] It is now turn 26 (PopeZBT)
0:11:26 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:11:28 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps his/her permanents
0:11:28 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:11:33 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT sacrifices Wasteland
0:11:36 [PopeZBT] Tangle Wire now has 3 (-1) counters.
0:11:38 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Crucible of Worlds
0:11:38 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Smokestack
0:11:38 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Tangle Wire
0:11:42 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:11:44 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Bazaar of Baghdad into play from Library
0:11:48 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Bazaar of Baghdad (At this point, I've got the Bazaar + Mask mojo workin', which, even if I hadn't completely locked him out of the game, meant his demise was imminent...)
Anyway, a few more turns go by, when he asks this:
0:12:48 [Sje118] <Sje118> Do you have a kill condition?
0:12:50 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Mox Emerald into play from Library
0:12:51 [Sje118] <Sje118> ie: titan?
0:12:55 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> Yup
0:13:00 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> notTitan though
0:13:01 [Sje118] <Sje118> Show me it and you win(I would just like to point out that I had B-Ring, Crucible, 2 Tangle Wires in play, and 6 cards in my graveyard)
0:13:07 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:13:09 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mox Ruby
0:13:10 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps Mox Ruby
0:13:12 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mox Ruby
0:13:14 [Sje118] <Sje118> just show me in your deck
0:13:18 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT is looking its Library...
0:13:20 [Sje118] <Sje118> otherwise you'll just mill
0:13:21 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Triskelion into play from Library
0:13:24 [Sje118] <Sje118> kk gg
0:13:26 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT shuffles library
0:13:26 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT stops looking its Library...
0:13:30 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
So after completely locking him out, he tells me to show him a win condition and he'll concede...then he drops.
First of all, Mulldrifter in the 'Board: Insane, or crazy? It's crazy with Genesis, but it may be win-more.
Second: Why do so many 'Boards I've seen have Golgari Rot Farm in there? It doesn't make any sense to me.
Third: I've upped the Smothers and Duresses, because I feel they're that good.
I've also added Teeg to the board, because it can really mess up a lot of decks.
Basic synopsis:
I'm running Wafo-Tapa's Heartbeat Desire from Valencia, he's running some weird 'Goyf control deck, all I saw were Goyfs, Thoughtseizes, Bobs, and Counterbalance (with a Meddling Mage I'm guessing came out of the side.)
Game 1 I get a fairly standard turn 5-6 combo, after he taps two lands to drop a second 'Goyf (leaving him with one Island up). I'm well into my combo, when I try to resolve a Nostalgic Dreams. He Spell Snares, I Remand. He Snares again (obviously) I Remand again. He concedes the game, and we go on to game 2.
Game 2, I had a decent hand with 4 lands, a Sak Elder, a Wish, and a FoF. He Thoughtseizes me, and takes the Elder. Not a terrible play, but suboptimal, IMO. Then he drops Bob, and I rip Sak Elder #2. Then, he drops Meddling mage, naming - I kid you not - Fact or Fiction. When he knows I have Cunning Wish in hand. I'm like, whatever, I Gifts up an Engineered Explosives next turn, and play it, forgetting that I've seen Spell Snare, I only pay 2 mana for it (to be fair, I did plan on Suspending Search for Tomorrow, which I did.) He Snares it, whatever. Meanwhile, through use of Shocklands and Fetchlands, as well as Bob, he's at like 5 life. I have a useless FoF and a Wish in hand, after he once again Thoughtseizes and takes Revive. I drop to 4 from Venser/MMage beats, after he was forced to Venser his own Bob when it dropped him to 2 life. He drops Counterbalance and passes after putting me at 4. I rip Early Harvest with 8 lands in play. I pass, he lays a land, attacks, I tap out, drop Harvest, he uses his Riptide Lab to bounce his Venser, replays it targeting my Harvest. I let that resolve, and replay Harvest, (net Stormcount++) Play Wish, Grab Hunting Pack, tap out, and receive <System> Player Lost
It was so lame and so funny, especially since he had Counterbalance out, and didn't even try to stop any of my spells with it, lol.
Also, how are you going to cast Ravager? Or Thoughtcast? Or any non Frogmite/Myr Enforcer card? Relying on Chrome Mox is a sure-fire way for just about any random aggro deck to pwn Affinity's face. Hard.
D'OH! You're right. I knew it was one of the Pre-Thoughtseize 1-drop discard spells, and for some reason brain-farted on which one (and didn't bother to double check.)
Sorry, I was wrong.
Slight nitpick: Although Duress and Thoughtseize say "target player", Therapy is slightly different, in that it does, indeed, say "target opponent".
Another argument, IMO, in favor of the 2/2 Facts/DA split, is that many decks with Therapy also come with a good clock; i.e., Dredge, Doran, even some versions of Affinity. I realize that discard w/out a clock is generally not a big problem for Heartbeat, but the first two decks I named are a significant percentage of the field. And flashing back DA is a free bolt in exchange for...two random cards off the top? I just think that Fact or Fiction's raw power is sufficient to win the card advantage war once resolved, though I do agree that the CA density should be diversified to protect us from Therapy, even though the Heartbeat decks which have T8'ed this season seem to be using the old "3 Facts main, 1 Side" configuration.
Also, what is everyone's thoughts on Scapeshift? I know you need to either have the mana floating for an Early Harvest, or have one ready off of a Desire, but wouldn't it make subsequent Desires that much better? And subsequent draw spells, for that matter. Is the comes into play tapped clause too risky? Or has anyone actually tested it yet?
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You can, but you'll always have to pay at least one of whatever the Cumulative Upkeep payment is.
Are you also running Burning Wish? 'Cause running 2 different wishes isn't that efficient...:-p
Lands: 23
1 Breeding Pool
2 Forest
1 Godless Shrine
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Island
2 Overgrown Tomb
1 Plains
3 Polluted Delta
2 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Snow-Covered Swamp
1 Stomping Ground
1 Swamp
1 Temple Garden
1 Watery Grave
4 Windswept Heath
Creatures: 16
3 Eternal Witness
1 Genesis
3 Loxodon Hierarch
1 Ravenous Baloth
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
4 Wall of Roots
1 Cabal Therapy
3 Collective Restraint
1 Damnation
1 Duress
4 Gifts Ungiven
3 Living Wish
2 Pernicious Deed
1 Primal Command
1 Profane Command
1 Smother
2 Thoughtseize
1 Vindicate
2 Cabal Therapy
1 Cranial Extraction
1 Eternal Witness
1 Extirpate
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Golgari Rot Farm
1 Indrik Stomphowler
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Krosan Grip
1 Loxodon Hierarch
1 Meloku the Clouded Mirror
1 Shriekmaw
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Yixlid Jailer
Also, what about Phyrexian Totem for a mana producer/finisher, particularly post-Cloud?
Just some thoughts...
Note that this also means, obviously, that Seat of the Synod no longer produces U, because Blood Moon overwrites that ability.
But you didn't have one sitting in front of you. It's one thing to have to look up a card when it's referenced on a message board, but to not read one when it's played right in front of you is just ignorance.
First of all, the join note was something to the effect of "Type 1 TMD/SCG 2/3 good players ENG". This is usually a decent indicator of a decent player/person-in-general.
This time, it was wrong.
I'm playing Mono-Red Uba$T4KS, he's playing...well, it's Black, Red, and White. That's about all I can say about it.
0:00:00 [Sje118] Sje118's Security Code: 3B71E6DD [???]
0:00:00 [Sje118] PopeZBT's Security Code: 2C83C4F5 [Type 1.5]
0:00:00 [Sje118] It is now turn 1 (Sje118)
0:00:00 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:02 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> Hey
0:00:02 [Sje118] <Sje118> hi
0:00:03 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT rolled a 2, using a 20 sided die
0:00:04 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT shuffles library
0:00:04 [Sje118] Sje118 rolled a 6, using a 20 sided die
0:00:05 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT shuffles library
0:00:06 [Sje118] <Sje118> pl
0:00:06 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT shuffles library
0:00:06 [Sje118] Sje118 shuffles library
0:00:07 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT shuffles library
0:00:07 [Sje118] Sje118 shuffles library
0:00:08 [Sje118] Sje118 shuffles library
0:00:09 [Sje118] Sje118 draws 7 cards
0:00:09 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT draws 7 cards
0:00:13 [Sje118] Sje118 takes a mulligan
0:00:15 [Sje118] Sje118 takes a mulligan
0:00:15 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> keep
0:00:16 [Sje118] <Sje118> kp
0:00:20 [Sje118] Sje118 plays Swamp from Hand
0:00:22 [Sje118] <Sje118> End my turn
0:00:24 [PopeZBT] It is now turn 2 (PopeZBT)
0:00:24 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:25 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:00:25 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT draws a card
0:00:25 [PopeZBT] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:29 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Mishra's Workshop from Hand
0:00:31 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:00:33 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Mana Vault from Hand
0:00:35 [Sje118] <Sje118> Ok
0:00:35 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> Ok?
0:00:38 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Sphere of Resistance from Hand
0:00:42 [Sje118] <Sje118> ok
0:00:45 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> End my turn
0:00:46 [Sje118] It is now turn 3 (Sje118)
0:00:46 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:46 [Sje118] Sje118 untaps his/her permanents
0:00:47 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:00:48 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:00:48 [Sje118] Sje118 draws a card
0:00:49 [Sje118] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:50 [Sje118] Sje118 plays Bloodstained Mire from Hand
0:01:02 [Sje118] <Sje118> End my turn
0:01:04 [PopeZBT] It is now turn 4 (PopeZBT)
0:01:04 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:01:06 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps his/her permanents
0:01:06 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:01:07 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:01:07 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT draws a card
0:01:07 [PopeZBT] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:01:15 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Wasteland from Hand
0:01:17 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:01:23 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Wasteland
0:01:26 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps Wasteland
0:01:27 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps Mishra's Workshop
0:01:30 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:01:36 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mana Vault
0:01:44 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps Mana Vault
0:01:45 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps Mishra's Workshop
0:01:47 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> Thinking
0:01:50 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:01:52 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mana Vault
0:01:56 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Smokestack from Hand
0:01:58 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT's life total is now 19 (-1)
0:02:01 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> End my turn
0:02:03 [Sje118] It is now turn 5 (Sje118)
0:02:03 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:02:04 [Sje118] Sje118 untaps his/her permanents
0:02:05 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:02:05 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:02:06 [Sje118] Sje118 draws a card
0:02:07 [Sje118] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:02:09 [Sje118] <Sje118> End my turn
0:02:12 [PopeZBT] It is now turn 6 (PopeZBT)
0:02:12 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:02:13 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps his/her permanents
0:02:13 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:02:20 [PopeZBT] Smokestack now has 1 (+1) counters.
0:02:22 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT sacrifices Mana Vault
0:02:24 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:02:24 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT draws a card
0:02:24 [PopeZBT] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:02:32 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Mountain from Hand
0:02:33 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:02:36 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Sphere of Resistance from Hand
0:02:45 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> End my turn
0:02:50 [Sje118] It is now turn 7 (Sje118)
0:02:50 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:02:51 [Sje118] Sje118 untaps his/her permanents
0:02:52 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Bloodstained Mire to Graveyard from Play
0:02:53 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:02:54 [Sje118] Sje118 draws a card
0:02:55 [Sje118] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:02:56 [Sje118] <Sje118> End my turn
0:02:59 [PopeZBT] It is now turn 8 (PopeZBT)
0:02:59 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:03:01 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps his/her permanents
0:03:01 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:03:10 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> Thinking
0:03:17 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT sacrifices Sphere of Resistance
0:03:19 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:03:20 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT draws a card
0:03:20 [PopeZBT] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:03:26 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Mishra's Workshop from Hand
0:03:29 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:03:30 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mountain
0:03:32 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Trinisphere from Hand
0:03:37 [Sje118] <Sje118> Ok
0:03:41 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> End my turn
0:03:42 [Sje118] It is now turn 9 (Sje118)
0:03:42 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:03:43 [Sje118] Sje118 untaps his/her permanents
0:03:44 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Swamp to Graveyard from Play
0:03:45 [Sje118] Sje118 draws a card
0:03:46 [Sje118] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:03:47 [Sje118] <Sje118> End my turn
0:03:49 [PopeZBT] It is now turn 10 (PopeZBT)
0:03:49 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:03:51 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps his/her permanents
0:03:51 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:03:53 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:03:54 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT draws a card
0:03:54 [PopeZBT] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:03:56 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:03:56 [Sje118] <Sje118> ummm
0:03:57 [Sje118] <Sje118> sac
0:03:57 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT undone last draw [1 card(s)]
0:04:01 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> sorry
0:04:04 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT sacrifices Smokestack
0:04:06 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:04:06 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT draws a card
0:04:06 [PopeZBT] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:04:10 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Wasteland from Hand
0:04:24 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> Thinking
0:04:34 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:04:41 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:04:44 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Chalice of the Void from Hand
0:04:46 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> x=2
0:04:49 [Sje118] <Sje118> ok
0:04:52 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT's life total is now 18 (-1)
0:04:54 [Sje118] <Sje118> set a note
0:04:58 [PopeZBT] Chalice of the Void now has 2 (+2) counters.
0:05:01 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> End my turn
0:05:02 [Sje118] It is now turn 11 (Sje118)
0:05:02 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:05:03 [Sje118] Sje118 untaps his/her permanents
0:05:04 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:05:04 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:05:04 [Sje118] Sje118 draws a card
0:05:05 [Sje118] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:05:07 [Sje118] <Sje118> End my turn
0:05:10 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Moat to Graveyard from Hand
0:05:10 [PopeZBT] It is now turn 12 (PopeZBT)
0:05:11 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:05:13 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps his/her permanents
0:05:13 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:05:19 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:05:19 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT draws a card
0:05:19 [PopeZBT] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:05:24 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:05:27 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mountain
0:05:29 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Wasteland
0:05:31 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Uba Mask from Hand
At this point, we settle into draw go, obviously.
0:08:14 [PopeZBT] It is now turn 22 (PopeZBT)
0:08:14 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:08:17 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps his/her permanents
0:08:17 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:08:22 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:08:26 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Wasteland into play from Library
0:08:30 [PopeZBT] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:08:33 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Wasteland
0:08:33 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mountain
0:08:33 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Wasteland
0:08:33 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Barbarian Ring
0:08:33 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Wasteland
0:08:34 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT's life total is now 17 (-1)
0:08:37 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT plays Wheel of Fortune from Hand (I added Wheel of fortune just as a random F U with Uba Mask/refill my prison elements)
0:08:47 [Sje118] <Sje118> Ok
0:08:50 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Mox Ruby into play from Library
0:08:52 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Great Furnace into play from Library
0:08:55 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Mishra's Workshop into play from Library
0:08:55 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Sensei's Divining Top to Graveyard from Hand
0:08:55 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Hypnotic Specter to Graveyard from Hand
0:08:55 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Balance to Graveyard from Hand
0:08:55 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Dark Confidant to Graveyard from Hand
0:08:55 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Swords to Plowshares to Graveyard from Hand
0:08:55 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Duress to Graveyard from Hand
0:08:57 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Mox Jet into play from Library
0:08:57 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Hide/Seek into play from Library
0:08:59 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Mox Sapphire into play from Library
0:09:00 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Mountain into play from Library
0:09:00 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Vampiric Tutor into play from Library
0:09:01 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Moat into play from Library
0:09:02 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Mountain into play from Library
0:09:03 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Bloodstained Mire into play from Library
0:09:05 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Sol Ring into play from Library (Can someone enlighten me as to what this deck does?)
0:10:25 [Sje118] <Sje118> Ok
0:10:26 [Sje118] It is now turn 25 (Sje118)
0:10:26 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:10:26 [Sje118] Sje118 untaps his/her permanents
0:10:28 [Sje118] Sje118 taps Swamp
0:10:28 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:10:29 [Sje118] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:10:31 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Scrubland into play from Library
0:10:41 [Sje118] <Sje118> End my turn
0:10:47 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> wait...
0:10:57 [Sje118] <Sje118> ?
0:11:03 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> you can't play the cards removed with Mask after the turn they're removed
0:11:14 [Sje118] <Sje118> ah (Apparently he's never seen or played against Uba Mask before...)
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Duress to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Swords to Plowshares to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Thoughtseize to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Imperial Seal to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Aven Mindcensor to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Flooded Strand to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Hide/Seek to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Mox Sapphire to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Vampiric Tutor to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Moat to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Bloodstained Mire to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Sol Ring to RFG from Play
0:11:21 [Sje118] Sje118 puts Scrubland to RFG from Play
0:11:23 [Sje118] <Sje118> End my turn
0:11:26 [PopeZBT] It is now turn 26 (PopeZBT)
0:11:26 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:11:28 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps his/her permanents
0:11:28 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:11:33 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT sacrifices Wasteland
0:11:36 [PopeZBT] Tangle Wire now has 3 (-1) counters.
0:11:38 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Crucible of Worlds
0:11:38 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Smokestack
0:11:38 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Tangle Wire
0:11:42 [PopeZBT] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:11:44 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Bazaar of Baghdad into play from Library
0:11:48 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Bazaar of Baghdad (At this point, I've got the Bazaar + Mask mojo workin', which, even if I hadn't completely locked him out of the game, meant his demise was imminent...)
Anyway, a few more turns go by, when he asks this:
0:12:48 [Sje118] <Sje118> Do you have a kill condition?
0:12:50 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Mox Emerald into play from Library
0:12:51 [Sje118] <Sje118> ie: titan?
0:12:55 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> Yup
0:13:00 [PopeZBT] <PopeZBT> notTitan though
0:13:01 [Sje118] <Sje118> Show me it and you win (I would just like to point out that I had B-Ring, Crucible, 2 Tangle Wires in play, and 6 cards in my graveyard)
0:13:07 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mishra's Workshop
0:13:09 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mox Ruby
0:13:10 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT untaps Mox Ruby
0:13:12 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT taps Mox Ruby
0:13:14 [Sje118] <Sje118> just show me in your deck
0:13:18 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT is looking its Library...
0:13:20 [Sje118] <Sje118> otherwise you'll just mill
0:13:21 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT puts Triskelion into play from Library
0:13:24 [Sje118] <Sje118> kk gg
0:13:26 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT shuffles library
0:13:26 [PopeZBT] PopeZBT stops looking its Library...
0:13:30 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
So after completely locking him out, he tells me to show him a win condition and he'll concede...then he drops.
All I can say is...lol.
3 [RAV] Overgrown Tomb
1 [GP] Stomping Ground
1 [DIS] Breeding Pool
2 [ON] Polluted Delta
1 [GP] Godless Shrine
1 [RAV] Watery Grave
1 [DIS] Hallowed Fountain
4 [ON] Windswept Heath
1 [RAV] Temple Garden
3 [UNH] Forest
2 [UNH] Swamp
1 [UNH] Island
1 [UNH] Plains
// Creatures
4 [CHK] Sakura-Tribe Elder
3 [FD] Eternal Witness
1 [JU] Genesis
3 [RAV] Loxodon Hierarch
1 [ON] Ravenous Baloth
4 [RAV] Birds of Paradise
2 [AP] Pernicious Deed
4 [JU] Cabal Therapy
4 [CHK] Gifts Ungiven
2 [ON] Smother
1 [RAV] Putrefy
1 [AP] Vindicate
1 [PLC] Damnation
2 [JU] Living Wish
1 [PLC] Extirpate
2 [IN] Collective Restraint
2 [US] Duress
First of all, Mulldrifter in the 'Board: Insane, or crazy? It's crazy with Genesis, but it may be win-more.
Second: Why do so many 'Boards I've seen have Golgari Rot Farm in there? It doesn't make any sense to me.
Third: I've upped the Smothers and Duresses, because I feel they're that good.
I've also added Teeg to the board, because it can really mess up a lot of decks.
Basic synopsis:
I'm running Wafo-Tapa's Heartbeat Desire from Valencia, he's running some weird 'Goyf control deck, all I saw were Goyfs, Thoughtseizes, Bobs, and Counterbalance (with a Meddling Mage I'm guessing came out of the side.)
Game 1 I get a fairly standard turn 5-6 combo, after he taps two lands to drop a second 'Goyf (leaving him with one Island up). I'm well into my combo, when I try to resolve a Nostalgic Dreams. He Spell Snares, I Remand. He Snares again (obviously) I Remand again. He concedes the game, and we go on to game 2.
Game 2, I had a decent hand with 4 lands, a Sak Elder, a Wish, and a FoF. He Thoughtseizes me, and takes the Elder. Not a terrible play, but suboptimal, IMO. Then he drops Bob, and I rip Sak Elder #2. Then, he drops Meddling mage, naming - I kid you not - Fact or Fiction. When he knows I have Cunning Wish in hand. I'm like, whatever, I Gifts up an Engineered Explosives next turn, and play it, forgetting that I've seen Spell Snare, I only pay 2 mana for it (to be fair, I did plan on Suspending Search for Tomorrow, which I did.) He Snares it, whatever. Meanwhile, through use of Shocklands and Fetchlands, as well as Bob, he's at like 5 life. I have a useless FoF and a Wish in hand, after he once again Thoughtseizes and takes Revive. I drop to 4 from Venser/MMage beats, after he was forced to Venser his own Bob when it dropped him to 2 life. He drops Counterbalance and passes after putting me at 4. I rip Early Harvest with 8 lands in play. I pass, he lays a land, attacks, I tap out, drop Harvest, he uses his Riptide Lab to bounce his Venser, replays it targeting my Harvest. I let that resolve, and replay Harvest, (net Stormcount++) Play Wish, Grab Hunting Pack, tap out, and receive <System> Player Lost
It was so lame and so funny, especially since he had Counterbalance out, and didn't even try to stop any of my spells with it, lol.
And Mr. T, Foo!