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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] DeusEx Mafia - Game Over - Springtime for Sarif
    Quote from Reaching_Nerd
    Bigtraine, your post dismissing the HP stance on void is awful.

    By your own comments HP found void suspicious by his play, yet cleared the slot as town when Titus took it on? So did his pm change between void and Titus? It makes no sense to setup clear a replacement on the same slot he wanted to wagon... AT ALL.



    I am agreeing with your facts but drawing a different conclusion apparently. Obviously his PM did not change mid-day. Clearly HP thought the other mason was a town role, because of the very direct comment of "I have an implicit townread..." So since we agree that his role PM did not change mid-day, and we can see he bluntly said that he thought the other mason was town, then I think it's clear that he didnt think Void was scum. Why did HP say he wanted to wagon Void? I have no idea, you will have to ask him in post-game. But I dont believe it was because HP thought Void was scum.
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] DeusEx Mafia - Game Over - Springtime for Sarif
    Regarding posts 976-978:

    I am not putting too much stock in HP's "I want to wagon Void" statement. HP was hard for me to read and played kind of odd (to me), and I chalk that statement up to that. When I re-read HP, it seems very clear that HP believes SR is town, even though SR is the same slot as Void. He even outright says as much: "I have a setup-based implicit townread on Titus."

    HP also did change his tune on the EMP and believing it is in the scum's possession. In post #757 he asks SR: "And I'm assuming you have the EMP device? Makes sense flavorfully(I'd rather keep our identities secret for the moment)." So I believe he figured out that SR had the EMP, and still was town-reading SR.

    I have to agree that SR's absence and lack of answering direct questions posed to her, coupled with all of the replacing from that slot, don't look particularly good. But then again, I know I have not been active either (I know, I know, self-awareness and all that), so I am not willing to use that as a surefire scumtell. Vish was also pretty inactive, and was town.

    I think SR is town based on the mason role. No, it's not going to be 100% certain, but it is the most likely scenario in my opinion. (As I write this, I am reminded of Proph telling me not to setup-game in my mentor chat in WW2 mafia). I dont think the behavioral evidence is enough to overcome that. I also dont buy the idea that HP thought Void/SR was scum - I believe the opposite is true, in fact.
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] DeusEx Mafia - Game Over - Springtime for Sarif
    @SR

    Quote from dkingsland967 »

    Also, you have an outstanding question about the mason chat.


    I also am interested in the answer to this.

    Also, regarding this post from HP:

    Quote from HookerPunch
    {Titus, me, Gen/Rhand, Arn} is where I'm ending today at.

    I'll elucidate my views a bit to Titus tonight incase one of us die, but I'm not ready to burn bridges yet.


    IS there anything you want to share from HP from the Mason chat?

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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] DeusEx Mafia - Game Over - Springtime for Sarif
    Quote from Killjoy
    I'd say is fairly obvious at this point that he isn't.


    That's your call I guess if you want to town-clear him. Gun to my head, I believe he is probably telling the truth (mainly based on the thought that a scum role wouldn't have announced they shot Vish, IMO), but I still have some suspicions and am keeping an open mind.
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] DeusEx Mafia - Game Over - Springtime for Sarif
    Quote from Wildfire393

    Just because the EMP roleblocks doesn't mean that there can't be a scum roleblock out there. It seems pretty likely even.


    Why would it be pretty likely? It seems less likely to me.
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] DeusEx Mafia - Game Over - Springtime for Sarif
    Quote from Killjoy
    Your accusatory tone plus use of the words "if he's the cop" tell me you think he's lying.

    And you still seem to.


    I'm not ruling out the possibility that he is lying. Are you?



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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] DeusEx Mafia - Game Over - Springtime for Sarif
    Quote from Killjoy
    Quote from Bigtraine
    And even if he was scum, you thought it was worth a 25% of killing yourself to kill him? If you are in fact the town PR you claim, that seems like a pretty risky move.

    Why do you immediately assume he's lying about his claim instead of just making a mistake?



    I didn't assume he was lying. It's just context for the riskiness of the move. If he is a cop (like he claims), it is more of a risk to the town wincon than if he did the same action as a VT.

    I'll be honest, the move seemed pretty shady to me right out of the gate, but I made an (apparently incorrect) assumption that he would have known who gave his the item. And I guess if Arn was scum, he probably wouldn't have claimed to have taken the shot right away, so I do feel better about him now than I did when he initially shot Vish.

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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] DeusEx Mafia - Game Over - Springtime for Sarif
    Quote from Reaching_Nerd
    Quote from Bigtraine
    Quote from Arnnaria
    Damn. I thought Vish was scum and used the Laser Gun on him.


    Why would a scum!Vish give you (or any townie) a Laser Gun?



    Arn can't have known who sent him the laser gun.


    How do you know that?

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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] DeusEx Mafia - Game Over - Springtime for Sarif
    And even if he was scum, you thought it was worth a 25% of killing yourself to kill him? If you are in fact the town PR you claim, that seems like a pretty risky move.
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] DeusEx Mafia - Game Over - Springtime for Sarif
    Quote from Arnnaria
    Damn. I thought Vish was scum and used the Laser Gun on him.


    Why would a scum!Vish give you (or any townie) a Laser Gun?

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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] DeusEx Mafia - Game Over - Springtime for Sarif
    Quote from Arnnaria
    Zzzz.... Hammer already!


    Please!
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] DeusEx Mafia - Game Over - Springtime for Sarif
    Quote from Scarlet Rage
    Ok can y'all clue me in on the reasons for the major wagons? Any important claims?


    Welcome to the game.

    There have only been two major wagons (getting into claim range). Arnnaria was basically a series of poor reaction / responses to early pressure that made him look scummy. Arn claimed a cop role (post 251) and has not been CC'd.

    And there is Kosa, who has tunneled pretty hard, disappeared for long periods of time, got irrationally angry, refused to claim and self-voted at L-2, and then finally claimed a neutral role that involved acquiring the EMP device (post 581) mentioned in flavor as his wincon.

    There have been partial claims and allusions to an item (presumably the EMP device) as well. HP stated that the EMP has a natural role-blocking effect and he thinks the scum currently have it (post 355). Kosa also discusses it in regards to his role in posts 526 and 598.
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] DeusEx Mafia - Game Over - Springtime for Sarif
    I had phone issues today as well, glad to see I wasnt the only one.

    It should be obvious by my not unvoting, but I am still in favor of a Kosa lynch today and just waiting for everyone else to either check in or go ahead and move forward with the lynch.

    It really comes down to risk management: in order for not lynching Kosa to be correct, we have to believe he is being totally honest with his claim AND that there are no other negative consequences for losing the EMP device. On the first point, I think it's likely he is a neutral but I wouldnt be shocked by a scum flip, but I am not confidant that losing the EMP device is a good thing for town. Maybe it's flavor-gaming, but thats kind of the premise for this game - the town needs to keep the EMP.
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] DeusEx Mafia - Game Over - Springtime for Sarif
    Quote from HookerPunch
    I come alive when things get interesting, yes. I see no reason to lynch a neutral(and really his play this far points to neutral more than bummed out scum) and I find the argument being used to push the lynch objectively flawed.


    So you don't see any danger that if Kosa were to achieve his wincon:

    1) He wins the game instead of leaving it?
    2) Losing the EMP device is otherwise bad news for town?

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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] DeusEx Mafia - Game Over - Springtime for Sarif
    Quote from Kosakosa

    My PM leaves no doubt that the player(s) in charge of the EMP device have some sort of incentive to pass it around.


    Quote from Kosakosa
    Call it modgaming, but I have reasons to believe scum are in possession of the EMP and aren't willing to give it over to town.


    I am having trouble reconciling these two posts together. You think scum are in possession of the EMP, and they want to pass it around, but they don't want town to get it. Do you believe the scum team is just trying to pass it around amongst themselves??



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