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Quote from Rathi0 »

I get it's cedh, but i gotta stop at 800 dollar cards.

Would you run Day's undoing over Timetwister if Timetwister was unavailable to you? Or would you replace it entirely with something else?

Day's ends your turn, its probably the worst thing you could run, when going for budget, focus on cards that are the best you can afford of any type, and not necessarily fill a similar role.

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Quote from DashofFury »

I'm going to test cutting Night's Whisper and Thirst for knowledge for Angel's Grace and Gush. Both have been underwhelming in my opinion when I had them, and Gush is a "free" draw spell. If this doesn't work. I'll tell you how miserable it ends up being.

Nights Whisper is mostly for DD piles when you are lacking enough blue, but have black, so if your manabase is working well, you really don't need it.

Thank you for explaining that. I thought it was clear how to win in the OP, but maybe it's not clear enough?

What did you end up cutting for Angel's Grace? Heavily considering adding that and Gush. Perhaps Pull from Eternity and Tainted Pact?

I cut Red Blast, but kept Pyroblast. (mostly because I did not have a black border Red Blast, but either is fine, they are the same)

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Quote from Zeniege »

Could you recommend a few key replacements? The only thing I am really wanting to stay away from until I have more expendable income is the original duals. I might eventually cheap up the cheapest esper one, but that's about it. So I'd prefer to stay under the $100 range on individual cards.

You are a new player, so I guess step one would be, how do you want to win? Zur in most of the competitive decks is used to grab Necropotence, Grasp of Fate, and Oblivion Ring. Which give you answers and card draw, with Necro you usually draw into Doomsday or Laboratory Maniac combos.

Your typical DD/AdNauseam Zur deck looks something like :this:

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Though I do not think this is the best build for Zur, you do seem to have a lot of enchantments, you might want Mesa Enchantress for card draw.

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What build do you feel is best for Zur? I'd love to hear any input you have!

And as far as card draw, would it be beneficial to include more options? I am definitely planning to remove some of the enchantments that have been discussed above in favor of other cards. But I am trying to figure out how important more card draw would be, especially since I can fetch Necropotence or Phyrexian Arena with Zur if I really feel like I need the card draw.

It really depends on $$$ and how competitive you want to go, it can get pretty costly.

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Can you suggest some budget options for the cards over $100 ?

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Though I do not think this is the best build for Zur, you do seem to have a lot of enchantments, you might want Mesa Enchantress for card draw.

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Quote from LordTheseus »

Can anyone explain how the infinite mana combo, activates Breya's ability unlimited times ? She needs two artifacts to activate and other than the two she brings in and anything that might be in play, she will run out very quickly.

Would love to play the deck, just can't see the WinCon with her ability and infinite mana. Am I missing something obvious here ?

Assuming you have infinite mana. (you must have infinite mana of all colors, but both bomberman combo and dragon combo can do that)
1. Cast Breya
2. Sac Breya and 1 thopter to Breya to do damage.
3. goto step 1, repeat.


...in other news OP, I am thinking of adding Angel's Grace like all the cool Zur kids do, its adds some interesting Ad Nauseam plays...
- allows you to survive going below 0 life with AN when going for LabMan
- allows you to have your entire deck in your hand with AN and then cast a Windfall for a table kill. (since you cant die this turn)

It seems cute enough to play.



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Nice! Congrats!

I am trying to figure out this interaction, my opponent has Rubinia Soulsinger out.

I have Animar on the field. If I cast Gilded Drake, my opponent can just tap Rubina in response to the CITP trigger and steal the trigger too? How does this work? (in this example Animar could be any creature)

I have seen this many times, but I don't understand the part about my CITP goes on the stack but it then gets taken from me even though its already on the stack. Shouldn't it fizzle ?

Are you still playing this? I tried to build this minus 2-3 of the most expensive cards, and I am just getting stomped game after game. I eventually gave up after 5 losses. Do you know any good videos playing Competitive Teferi?

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I ran the deck two games last night in paper and got two turn 5 wins back to back and did not use bomberman at all other than to confuse the Intuition pile. They were probably both lucky draws because I started out with 2 tutors and 3 lands both games, but it was fun. I switched off to my Meren deck after that for a longer game and took my 3rd win for the night. The player level was average, but I was mostly trying to goldfish with live players.

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That's awesome to hear! How did you end up winning the first two games then? Worldgorger Dragon?

I just tutored the pieces for Dragon, the 2nd game I had to blow my Yawgmoth's Will early to bounce a Felidar Sovereign, but still managed to cast Breya and sac her for a stop point to dragon by turn 5.

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I ran the deck two games last night in paper and got two turn 5 wins back to back and did not use bomberman at all other than to confuse the Intuition pile. They were probably both lucky draws because I started out with 2 tutors and 3 lands both games, but it was fun. I switched off to my Meren deck after that for a longer game and took my 3rd win for the night. The player level was average, but I was mostly trying to goldfish with live players.

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I think the write up is officially done! If anyone thinks I am missing any information, please let me know and I will change it accordingly.

Now, let's see if we can get Primer status!

The only thing I would like to see is budget alternatives for the crazy expensive cards. (cards over $100), and maybe you might want to think about playing around non-basic land hate. Blood Moon wrecks us for the most part. Might be something to think about.

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I could probably do a budger alternative section. Is over $100 a good starting point, or should I drop it down to $50+?

The thing about Blood Moon/Back to Basics is we would need to add more basics and less non-basics, so then our mana base becomes worse. So we either have to hope they don't play those cards, or keep an answer up in case they do get played. Or, you know, win before they get the chance to play them.

You can keep most of the list intact with $100 budget, but with $50 you lose Bomberman. My list runs a little more bounce and 3 islands, since I dont have Imp Seal. So far I have not run into Blood Moon or Back to Basics.

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