2019 Holiday Exchange!
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  • posted a message on 2019 Holiday Card Exchange!
    Nice! Welcome back Stooge!
    Posted in: Community Discussion
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Netdecking vs. creating your own deck
    As the thread is 3 years old, I will assume the OP got their answer. If people would like to renew this conversation in a modern context, feel free to start a new thread.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on 2019 Holiday Card Exchange!
    Getting some PMs from some new folks! Welcome new folks!
    Posted in: Community Discussion
  • posted a message on Making the most of Syr Konrad with Shadowborns.
    Xathrid Necromancer is another effect of that style. Pawn of ulamog and Sifter of Skulls are probably better, since they'll give mana back. Open the Graves is another token creator.

    Shirei, Shizo's catetaker will get your dudes back, and I recently discovered No Rest for the Wicked which seems fun.

    Midnight Reaper, Grim haruspex, and Dark Prophecy can keep the cards coming.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on 2019 Holiday Card Exchange!
    Welcome aboard!
    Posted in: Community Discussion
  • posted a message on 2019 Holiday Card Exchange!
    Glad to have you on board!
    Posted in: Community Discussion
  • posted a message on 2019 Holiday Card Exchange!
    Hey everyone! Welcome to the 13th installment of the Holiday card exchange, except that this time is also a first. We'll be doing a joint card exchange crossing over with the MTGNexus forums as well this year!

    The deadline: December 11, 2019.

    Here is an introduction for those of you new to this - or - a refresher for the old timers:

    How the exchange works

    The premise is simple. First, MTGSalvation and MTGNexus members from all over the world send me personally altered cards. Then, as Christmas approaches, I randomly send their cards to someone else who participated. It's a fun gift exchange that's always a blast.

    What do I mean by personally altered? Does that you mean you have to be as good as the people over in the official altered art thread? Not at all! What's important is that you personalize your cards. For example, here are just a handful of cards done over the past few years:

    As you can see, there is a lot of variation in what people choose to do. Featured is wide range of artistic talent, from doodles to full-blown alters. Just make it fun. In general, if you wouldn't be happy with receiving it from somebody else, you should alter it until you would be. Smile

    How to Participate

    Participating is easy! Just send me a PM with your address, and I'll send you mine back. All you have to do after that is send me your cards along with appropriate packaging and postage to mail your cards along to the next person. After that, just relax and wait for your return package to make its merry way to you. It's that simple!

    All participants must have their cards to me by December 11th, 2019. This means I MUST have the cards in hand by this date, NOT that you should mail it by this date.. They will be redistributed and sent off over the weekend, and hopefully everybody will have theirs by December 25th. Please remember to budget enough time for your cards to arrive. For reference, I live in Virginia, USA.

    Brand new accounts are excluded to avoid gaming the system. Please don't do it. It will just result in a sad face for both of us.

    This event is not sponsored or endorsed by MTGSalvation, MTGNexus, or Wizards of the Coast in any way. It is purely something done for fun by people who love Magic, and is not for for any financial gain or otherwise.

    Tips and Checklist

    Over the past three years, previous exchange runners saw a lot of cards come through. Here are some recommendations to help make the holiday exchange fun for everybody!

    • Try and modify cool cards. They don't necessarily have to be rares, but it's great when somebody can play the cards they receive in a deck and then tell the story of how they received them! If you are on a budget, think an altered playset of playable commons, an EDH staple, or basic lands are great... as long as it's playable it's cool!
    • Stumped for cards to alter? Try sending cards related to your name, avatar, or signature! That way there's a connection between MTGSalvation and the card's you're altering.
    • What you receive is random and a gift from someone else to you. Regardless of how you feel about the quality of cards you received, please be grateful. After all, it's a gift!
    • Part of the fun is ripping open the package when it finally arrives to see what you received. Do not post the alters you did ahead of time - though vague hints can be fun. Wink We don't want to ruin the surprise!
    • Sending items such as letters, notes, or pictures along with your cards to the other person is not only allowed, but encouraged!
    • You might want to take a picture of your cards before you send them so that you can still show them off if the recipient has no way to upload an image.
    • You may submit as few or as many cards as you would like. Take your time and make some great alters!


    1. PM me your address, and you'll receive mine back.

    2. You absolutely must include a self addressed stamped envelope with enough postage for up to a 6 oz package. If you do not include one, I cannot promise you that you will receive any cards back.

    3. In the past, a couple of people have sent extra large/heavy items. This is great, and often these items are very cool! However, if you're going to do this, please include an extra envelope that is the appropriate size and/or has the right amount of postage on it. Please do include some real cards as well, that way your recipient can still have something to include in a deck!

    4. No proxies/fakes, no matter how cool. Sentiments on these vary across the entire range, but MTGSalvation does not support this practice. While the gift exchange isn't directly affiliated with the site, let's keep this above the belt for the Holidays. Thanks!

    5. If you are an international participant, please tell me in your PM so we can discuss how international shipping will work out best in your case. The US Postal prices have done some crazy things in the last few years, and shipping times may be a concern.

    6. Along with your cards and Stamped envelope, please include a slip of paper with your MTGSalvation username. There will be a lot of cards coming in and if I don't know who sent me something, I can't let the recipient know - and it also makes it harder not to accidentally send yours back to you.


    1. Send me a PM with your address
    2. Check you inbox daily, I'm on all the time and will generally be quick to reply.
    3. Alter cards!
    4. Write your MTGSalvation username on a slip of paper.
    5. Send me your cards, that slip of paper with your MTGSalvation username, and a stamped envelope with enough postage to mail your cards, inside another envelope. Don't forget any of those steps!
    6. Time travel to later in December and check your mail. Enjoy your gift!

    Please post below.

    Mohawkdan 2.0
    Slavan K. Guiser
    Posted in: Community Discussion
  • posted a message on Colour Expectations
    I sometimes like to build things counter to regular expectations. Also, any Commander can be a Voltron Commander.

    I mean, if you get down to it, you could make essentially a venn diagram of all the colors, and see how their overlaps would show what the strengths of the colors would be.

    Building the deck first is not always a bad idea. my Trostani deck only picked Trostani as the commander after about 2/3 of the deck was built. It was built as a lands-matter deck to be centered around Glacial Chasm. As I started building the deck, there was a lot of ramp and playing extra lands, so I wanted landfall triggers - most landfall makes creature tokens - And then entered Trostani - Worked well with tokens, and would give me the life needed to get the time to find the chasm, and to pay for the upkeep.

    If you wanted pure expectations on colors, here we go:

    W - Some kind of white weenie/token swarm deck. Mobilization/Heliod stuff. Alternate: Artifact recursion control/combo.
    U - Hard Control. Everyone expects counter heavy, card draw, grind. Possibly even mill/draw/deck ideas. Alternate: Make sea creature tribal. Go for the big fish.
    B - Graveyard loops/Blood Artist/Gray Merchant of Asphodel kills. Alternate: Make them discard their hand. Specters everywhere.
    R - Artifact Recursion. Feldon/Daretti/Goblin Welder. OR Goblins. Alternate: Set everything on fire. I mean everything
    G - Ramp Ramp Big beats. Or elves. Alternate - Hurricane.

    WU - Tokens and control. Detain. Police. No fun for anyone. Kill everything, counter the rest. Grand Arbiter Augustion
    WB - Tokens. Sac outlets. Teysa. Grave Pact effects. Life drain and life steal.
    WR - Aggro. Either wide and hard, or something with high power/low life early on, trying to kill someone early. Maybe even some land D to seal the deal on the rest.
    WG - Long game. Recursion central. Good luck killing their board, and when you do, it'll just come right back. Incremental value, great removal.

    UB - Control and Remove all threats. Flashback to do it again. Cheap creatures with draw to refill the hand as they tear you apart.
    UR - Storm. It might not use storm cards, but they're going to cast 20 spells in a turn, and then you'll be dead.
    UG - +1 counters. Everywhere.

    BR - Aggro again, but with more expendable creatures and self-sac effects.
    BG - Graveyard's coming back.

    RG - Creatures go sideways, with more Overrun.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Floating mana after a board wipe
    As there's already a duplicate thread for this question in rulings, I'm just going to close this one.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Inalla stack
    Moved to Rulings
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on How does one choose cards for EDH?
    The first step is to know what you want to do. Sometimes this means picking a Commander, and thinking of what you want to with it, sometimes it involves picking a strategy, and seeing what Commander will best support that.

    Next depends on your budget, and your available cards. Sometimes you want to start with the cards you have, and just go through what you have and pull out anything that looks fun, interesting, might fit the strategy, are necessary pieces for those colors (removal) etc. Sometimes you'll start online instead, and find the cards that fit the strategy from online searches, and then try and see if you own them, or how to acquire them. Sometimes you're not sure of the strategy you want to follow, so you look up other lists online and see what people are doing with the card. Learning from repetition is absolutely valid, and every professional has learned in that manner. Artists copy good art, athletes learn proper forms, etc.

    From there - practice, learn, tweak, adapt. Every playgroup is different, and what works well in one area may have different results elsewhere. Talk to the people you play with, see what they think about the deck - they might have suggestions or feedback. Don't be afraid to experiment, especially in the early phases. Some of my decks I purposefully made drastic changes to in order to really try out different things.

    Finally, one great way to learn more is to simply ask for help! Create threads in these forums just as you did here, and say "Hey guys, I'm trying to find cards to achieve <this>, I've done a search for <this>, but I haven't found what I'm looking for. Is there something else I should search for, or that you'd recommend?" So on and so forth. Most of all, have fun with it! Don't be afraid to make your deck not perfect if it will be more fun. My Jori En deck runs Form of the Dragon, and my Trostani deck runs Sandwurm Convergence simply because they're fun. Smile

    I've built decks using every combination of those methods above. I've built from Commander first, and built from a strategy trying to find a Commander. I've pulled hundreds of cards from my collection, to building purely online then practically ordering 80% of a deck to my hands. Most important though is to play, and adjust.

    When I build from my collection, it's not unusual for me to pull out many hundreds of cards more than what I need before cutting down and focusing on what I want. I've pulled over 600 cards once when building a deck, which actually helped me define what strategy I wanted to follow and even gave me the framework for a future deck to build a different strategy that I liked.

    Online searches can be very powerful. I would suggest learning how to use these sites/systems to really refine what you want/need:
    • Card searches:
    • Deck Searches:
      • Check out the Primers on this site. They tend to be written to a higher level, and go beyond simply having a list of cards to explaining what they do and why they were chosen. This eliminates some of the guesswork involved.
      • Check out our Decklist Database. If you're looking for a particular commander, this can be a good place to start, as it'll put those available resources together.
      • EDHrec.com and tappedout.com both have Commander decklists and stats.

    Here's a few quick stories:
    • When I built my Chainer deck I routinely changed between 3 different main commanders, but also tried 4 other Commanders periodically in the Commandzone before I really settled down on Chainer. When I started to build the deck, it was even a completely different Commander, and even different set of colors before I decided to simply go Mono-Black.
    • When I built my Marath deck, I initially built it with a lands matter/landfall package, as well as a sunforger package. In testing, I quickly discovered that the two both took up too much space from each other, and I needed to split them appart. I ended up taking out the lands package, and started building that up without a Commander - once I realized what I wanted to do with it, I found Trostani, and it is now one of my longest lasting and favorite decks.
    • I once built a deck purely online, and tested, iterated, and refined it with online tools to the point that I discovered it was too powerful for my meta, and I never built it in paper.
    • When I built my Jenara deck, I had no idea what I wanted- I had a few key 'must include' cards, but no huge idea of how to relate them to each other - I pulled over 600 cards and started organizing them into synergies before deciding how to complete my vision.
    • My Tibor and Lumia deck has been rebuilt five times as completely different strategies, but built around the same playstyle. Since then, new commanders have encapsulated the theme and soul of each of those iterations into a single card that does the job better than T&L even could hope to do.

    I want to eventually build a reanimation or token commander deck for my first commander deck, but I don't know where to start. Let's say I've picked a commander. Where do I go from there? I can't just search: Good commander removal, pick out some good cards, than move on. How do I know how many cards I need of each type like removal and draw? How do I find the actual cards? Thanks in advance.

    Some of this comes down to knowledge, or preference. Some to searches. I've played and built enough decks that I know that I want certain cards in certain colors to handle my removal. For example, if I'm playing BW I know that I'll probably include Merciless Eviction and Vindicate or Utter End.

    Much like the previously mentioned 8x8 method, I tend to start similarly, but I like to have 40 lands as a base start, so I do 10's:
    10 Ramp, 10 Draw, 10 Removal, 10 small threats, 10 medium threats, 10 large threats. Of course, certain things may cross categories, so you might end up with more representation of each in your deck, for example adding Bloodgift Demon to your medium threats means you'll have a better chance of getting card draw in your games, while if you count it in your card draw, you might up your threat density.

    I used that system to build a deck for my (then 10yr old) nephew, and the deck works quite well.

    When it comes to removal, I like to also keep in mind what type of removal. I typically run 2-4 single target creature removal, 2-3 artifact/enchantment removal, 1-2 catch-alls, and 2-3 mass removal. You'll also want a mix of destroy/exile/shuffle, etc, in order to deal with things that are indestructible, etc. These may overlap some too. For example, in BW my removal package may look like:
    DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
    1 Swords to Plowshares - Single Creature Removal
    1 Tragic Slip - Single Creature Removal
    1 Murder - Single Creature Removal
    1 Return to dust - Artifact/Ench Removal
    1 Crush Contraband - Artifact/Ench Removal
    1 Generous Gift - Catch All
    1 Utter End - Catch All
    1 Merciless Eviction - Mass Removal
    1 Tragic Arrogance - Mass Removal
    1 Hour of Revelation - Mass Removal

    I might then also have cards like Cavalier of Dawn or Dark Impostor in my threats as well.

    I am currently looking at either Ulasht, the Hate Seed or Nath of the Gilt-Leaf for a token commander. Thanks for replying!

    These are great choices for a token Commander! I do agree with previous posters that you may want to look at how you'd play them differently though.

    For example, with Nath of the Gilt-Leaf you might look into:
    • Adding a heavy discard element to your deck in order to utilize his ability more. Cards that make your opponent discard, or gain value when they do, like Larceny, Liliana's Caress, or Waste Not. However, this will make you a prime target, and makes you more reliant on your Commander to get value.
    • Utilizing some Elf synergies in order to make the tokens more powerful. Imperial Prefect and similar cards could be quite potent.
    • Using him as a starting point for tokens, but making the deck less reliant on the Commander, and going more large scale token swarm to utilize Overrun abilities.
    • Using the black identity to focus less on the swarm aspect of tokens, and utilize Nath as more of a constant source of sacrificial tokens for effect like Attrition, Blood Artist, and Gravepact.
    • Or it could be a mix of all of the above!

    While Nath seems more slow and steady to me, Ulasht seems to want to go bigger, faster. Ulasht needs more creatures out first to get the counters, but opens up different avenues of play:

    • You can play with +1 counter synergies.
    • or make a multicolor dependent deck (creatures that are both red AND green will provide Ulasht a +1 counter TWICE, so give better value)
    • or go bigger mana to use his ability more (Wood Elves early to get lands out, but still count as a creature later for Ulasht trigger)
    • You can also go for a combo route: Ivy lane Denizen will combo with Ulasht, as you'll remove a counter from Ulasht to make a token, but then Ivy lane will see the token made, and put a +1 counter back on Ulasht, allowing you to keep making more tokens.
    • You can play up the red damage aspect more, and run Torbran, Thane of Red Fell or Neko-te to boost the damage dealt insanely, or even Impact Tremors to deal damage as you make dudes.

    As you can see, there's lots of ways to build both of these, and this is just what I can think off the top of my head real fast. As you play them, you'll figure out even more ways to play/build them, and find what works best for you.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Adventure and Haakon
    I suppose it was more confusion rather than questions. I was intrigued by how the rules would be worded compared to the old version. Now that the rules are up, it's pretty straight forward: You take into account any choices, and those choices replace the current characteristics.

    So under the old rules, you could check legality to begin to cast under haakon, change the characteristics, then it would check legality again and fail.
    Now, under the reworked 601.3e, you just check legality based on what you actually want to do, rather than go through those hoops. Makes a lot more sense.

    601.3e If a rule or effect states that only an alternative set of characteristics or a subset of characteristics are considered to determine if a card or copy of a card is legal to cast, those alternative characteristics replace the object’s characteristics prior to determining whether the player may begin to cast it.
    Example: Garruk’s Horde says, in part, “You may cast the top card of your library if it’s a creature card.” If you control Garruk’s Horde and the top card of your library is a noncreature card with morph, you may cast it using its morph ability.
    Example: Melek, Izzet Paragon says, in part, “You may cast the top card of your library if it’s an instant or sorcery card.” If you control Melek, Izzet Paragon and the top card of your library is Giant Killer, an adventurer creature card whose Adventure is an instant named Chop Down, you may cast Chop Down but not Giant Killer. If instead you control Garruk’s Horde and the top card of your library is Giant Killer, you may cast Giant Killer but not Chop Down.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Zur the Enchanter. Need help and/or opinion.
    The only card that really helps you Voltron that I'm seeing is Empyrial Armor. This seems a bit low to me. If you want to go the Voltron route, I'd consider increasing this a bit. I'd also consider something like Sun Titan or Restoration Specialist in order to recover any key pieces that you lose. Likewise, Mistveil Plains can tuck things on the bottom for Zur to bring back up.

    I'm also concerned about your low creature count. It leaves you very vulnerable to Edict types of effects, and while your counterspells will help - if you have to counter every piece of removal that multiple other players are tossing your way, you're going to have a hard time at it.

    I'd consider Teferi's Veil in the deck as well, it'll help protect Zur by phasing him out after your attack, making it harder for your opponents to hit him. Notably most wraths and many Edicts are sorcery speed.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [ELD] Throne of Eldraine set review from an EDH perspective
    Quote from Anachronity »
    I'm actually pretty baffled about us not getting any legends with adventure in a set made for Brawl.
    This is likely by design, as Adventure interacts oddly with the Command Zone mechanic.

    In theory, if the adventure half is more relevant than the creature, you could cast the creature as an adventure, and then when it tries to exile itself on an adventure, simply send it back to the Command Zone, which would let you adventure again. While it could be interesting having a spell in the Command Zone, I bet they probably want to wait a bit on making that a thing, until they can dedicate a bit more time to getting it right.

    It's also a bit of a flavor fail on the part of Adventures, because you send your Commander on an Adventure (which is weird itself, what leader abandons everyone at the time of need?), but then s/he DOESN'T go on the adventure, but just goes straight back home (going to CZ), but you still get the benefit of the adventure... that you flavorfully didn't actually go on.

    Mechanically, it would be interesting though, as you'd have the choice between letting the Commander get exiled on the adventure so you can cast them for cheaper (just mana cost from exile), compared to sending them back to CZ, which would then increase the cost by 2, regardless which half you chose to cast.

    There's also interesting portion of 'cheating' some Command Zone cost if the spell is cheaper than the creature, as you could cast the spell for more expensive, and split the cost over 2 turns. For example, imagine a Legendary Adventure Creature cost 4w, but the adventure cost W, and you have cast your Commander/Adventure twice, so you have a tax of 4. You could cast the spell for 4W, then the creature for 4W, Whereas just casting the creature straight from CZ would have cost 8W. This lets you still cast your Commander, even if you're on 5 lands, despite the tax, by splitting the cost over the two turns.

    On the other hand, if the Creature half is cheaper, then you get the interesting question earlier in the game, as to whether you want to cast the creature half alone - knowing that it would make the Adventure cost more expensive later.

    Either way, it shows there's quite a lot to consider in the design of a legendary creature with an Adventure, so I'm not surprised they didn't release one off the bat.

    The final nail in the coffin is also probably that an Adventure legendary would want to be multi color, probably even 3 color, but the set itself is very focused on mono-colored interactions and cards. It could go into a Brawl deck, but that raises the complexity of a Brawl deck, which they would want more as introductory towards new players, I imagine.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Fetching nonbasic lands
    I think this user got their answer years ago... =)

    locking thread
    Posted in: Magic General
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