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  • posted a message on [SCD] Omen Machine
    It also frees up your mana to use abilities/equipment, etc. Get some good beefy guys with good abilities... some sort of put stuff into your hand, and you're good.

    Teferi's puzzele box, Anvil of Bogardan for the hand rip. Gate to the Aether for more. It'll be a focused deck, but possible.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on How much topdeck fixing is too much?
    Depends on what you need:
    Sylvan library can sculpt your next draws, or for a price be card advantage.
    Scroll Rack allows you to improve the quality of your entire hand, can save key spells from discard, but requires other cards to be "advantage" (land tax, sprouting vines)

    On pure card power, I would say that Scroll Rack is the stronger; but as far as what you need... You may find Sylvan to be the better use. Both are exceptional cards.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [EDH] Zirilan, the Dragon Toolbox (updated 4/9/11, now infinite!)
    Why did you decide to remove Thornbite Staff? With Zirilan being a shaman you get a free equip, and the number of sac outlets you have make recurring any CIP dragon ability insane.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on How much topdeck fixing is too much?
    It's more important to run a lot of reshuffling options to make the top fixing better. Top fixing doesn't give you any card advantage, it just gives you better quality of cards; without reshuffle options, you're only getting a 2 turn peek.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Squire Storm | Multiplayer Storm Combo
    Quote from Gaka
    Mind's Desire is in there already - it's amazing.
    I dont like Spelljack, as it costs too much for too little of an ability.

    Seize the day may be inferior to Aggravated Assault, which is already in.


    Apologies on the Mind's Desire, I apparently can't read late at night. Spelljack is made better with scroll rack or similar effect to put it on top of the library for Minds Desire, hardly necessary, but can have a big effect. Cheaper alternatives have already been discussed.

    I would disagree with Aggravated Assault over seize the day; while aggravated assault is more repetitive, you're trying to win in one turn. Assault takes 8 mana for the first attack, and 13 for two attacks. That's a lot of mana to dedicate on one turn, especially if you're banking on surprise. If people see you drop an aggravated assault with no creatures, you lose some surprise, and may get it destroyed. Seize on the other hand gives you two immediate attacks for 7 mana, as a surprise. Since you're attacking with just 1 creature (which you are), on one turn (you are), trying to one shot several opponents, seize is far more cost effective and surprising.

    That's my opinion however. I have run it in both my Vaevictus and Cromat decks, and it has delightfully been able to deliver several times over.
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  • posted a message on Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker - The Poison Version
    My bad, I don't know how I missed butcher.

    You obviously have the deck very well tuned, I can keep suggesting cards that would fit the theme, but it looks like you have it nailed down. The only really advantageous one I can think of is sorceress queen so that you can save some of your bigger utility creatures.

    Grim Harvest has started becoming a staple in my black decks. In yours, you can control the recover much better, and only need to use it for the bigger creatures. Malevolent Awakening may work better for the theme though, although its a bit more fragile in itself.
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  • posted a message on Squire Storm | Multiplayer Storm Combo
    for more storming goodness, take a leaf out of other storm decks:
    Mind's Desire
    spelljack

    While both would be a hefty hit on the ad nauseam, they both will do insane things in the deck. Each one will be worth its weight and then some in the hit you take. (assuming you don't kill yourself).

    For a triple hit
    Seize the day would work well to take out multiple opponents.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker - The Poison Version
    I'm really liking the theme you have set up here, very synergistic. With the amount of sac outlets your running though, is there a reason you are not running grave pact/butcher of malakir?

    I personally wouldn't run them due to the composition of my playgroup, but they would fit very well to clear blockers and make the deck more competitive. They would draw a lot more hate too though.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on Tibor & Lumia - Spellslinging blue aggro
    Why Tibor and Lumia?

    This is one of the biggest questions I get. Why Tibor and Lumia as far as they go, even I have to admit they are comparatively weak to other 4 cost generals. Olivia Voldaren alone is equal in stature, has flying by default, and still does damage to whichever targets you want, and has a devastating extra ability. Jenara, likewise, is another powerful 3/3 flyer for cheaper. What makes Tibor and Lumia so special?

    I have always been partial to the blue/red pairing. Early on, one of my favorite archetypes was a traditional counter/burn deck. Tibor and Lumia is one of the earliest EDH decks I built; vying with Nemata and Vaevictis, shortly after my Cromat deck. I chose Tibor and Lumia over other blue/red generals (notably Niv-Mizzet, who I jokingly claim T&L would rather be) for several reasons:
    • Whereas Niv really characterizes the unity of both colors, in turning draw into damage, he feels more like a red general playing blue spells to me. T&L showed me instead a general who still wants to cast spells, but would interact more with the board in general, and would need a combination of both spell colors to really shine.
    • Blue and Red are the two worst colors for mana acceleration. Blue gets a bit of help from its illicit affair with artifacts, but that really pales in comparison to every other color: Thus, I aimed for a cheaper general.
    • Niv is done to death, and has too many "I win" combos that just steal the thunder away from the Johnny in me. It's not about the combo for me... it's about doing stuff, and T&L is happy to comply.
    What it really comes down to is that T&L is cheap enough to matter, has no definitive easily foreseen gameplan to be a threat with, isn't a massive combo target, and does stuff, without taking up your mana, letting you do more stuff. What it really comes down to, is that Tibor and Lumia is fun.


    What you could do with T&L

    The first version of this deck was much more good stuff. I then modified it with a clear goal of attempting to deck myself in EDH, using a lot of card draw and cantrips, while I have come close, I have not yet actually managed this feat. Sphinx-Bone Wand and Cast through Time made prominent appearances in the deck after the volume of spells I could play became evident. This is one way to abuse slinging multiple spells. I fount it a bit too fragile.

    Another option for T&L aspirers is to focus on the red ability. The capability to burn the ground is very powerful, couple it with powerful equipment/auras like Charisma or Sword of Kaldra and you have a threat to reckon with. This build lends itself to a very strong control approach, using red to inflict pain, keep your enemies under control, with support from blue for the stack war and protection.

    Another take on the red option, is to run repercussion/Mog Maniac type effects (though not the maniac himself, he's not so good with T&L). Other notable ones are Stuffy Doll (which you can clone) and Coal hauler swine.

    Yet another option goes in the other direction again. Focus on the blue side of the twins: Run small utility "on connect" creatures like Surrakar Spellblade, or Kukemssa pirates. Use the flying ability to ensure they connect. Mystic Decree and gravity sphere work well in both of these color-specific versions, as does Phyrexian Splicer.

    The last option, is quite surprisingly a combination of the two decks above, as well as the current version. Gelectrode and Cinder Pyromancer as well as another untapper with Quicksilver Dagger also plays well with a large number of instant/sorceries, as well as all the controlling equipments. Curiosity and Ophidian Eye then make a close approximation to a cheaper (mana cost) Niv-Mizzet type combo (without actually being boring). It's an extra way to gain cantrips off of your massive spell slinging.


    This Version

    Rather than focus directly on T&L abilities, this version focuses on the power of blue and red: the two colors best able to fight on the stack. As such, the decks main weapons are in its instants and sorceries, creating spell chains of immense advantage, to bury your opponents under sheer quantity of cards. The deck capitalizes on blues love of artifacts to use equipment such as Runechanter's Pike and Leering Emblem to further take advantage of the spell slinging. T&L fits this strategy by providing a cheap evasive general, with relevant abilities to trigger off of the spell-slinging.


    Other Decks!

    TheEndIsNear has posted his Storm Combo version, with a higher emphasis on mana rocks to get the early mana needed to fuel cheap spells. Also includes a fair set of 'free' spells.

    * = Supremely awesome

    Notable Themes:
    • Flashback: Reusability is good. Flashback also gives extra uses of spells for activating T&L's abilites. Once of the first graveyard combo pairs that was added into the deck was River Kelpie + Flame Jab. When you can successfully flamejab and wipe the board of 7/7 Essence of the Wilds... You know something is going right. The printing of Past in Flames simply sealed the deal. Giving your cantrips flashback turns them into powerful draw spells. Giving your powerful draw spells flashback makes them... um. Awesome.
    • Storm: As with any deck that plays a lot of spells, storm raises its hand suggestively. Many spells simply are underwhelming though, while others are ridiculously powerful. While I personally do not run some of the more powerful spells, (see notable exclusions), Ignite Memories makes a very stylistic and powerful addition to the deck. While it can be hard to call 1 card a theme, if you play the deck, you'll really appreciate just how many cards simply say: "Play more stuff!"
    • Cost Reductions: With the number of spells this deck plays, it quickly became evident that single use mana rocks were simply ineffecient compared to what could be used. Plus, its delightfully fun to mess with power curves of the mana costs, especially when you start to mix in the Urza's bloc 'free' spells that untap lands. Such delight.

    Playing the Deck

    Step 1: Draw cards.
    Step 2: When you have a full hand of cards, Draw more cards.
    Step 3: ???
    Step 4: Draw cards.

    That is exactly how the deck plays out; the goal is to stick one of the awesome equipment on T&L. To get them, you draw cards until you get them, once you have one of them, you draw more cards to make them stronger. Somewhere in there you attack and kill someone. Mostly you look impressive by doing lots of stuff, most of which doesn't do much except let you do more stuff. The fact that some of your stuff does stuff while you do stuff is inconsequential. Until you kill someone with your stuff.


    Spellweaver Volute

    A card so awesome, it gets its dedicated paragraph.

    In a deck where playing spells is good, and volume of spells is great, and running lots of instants is awesome... replaying them all for free is simply sheer brilliance.

    The obvious all star here, is Flame Jab, allowing you to suddenly replay any instant you choose, for the simple cost of R.

    So here are the fun things to note: The Volute enchants (and attaches) to an instant card in a graveyard. Yes, that means anybodies grave yard. You can cast other peoples cool spells; something I had not been entirely aware of before.

    The Volute creates a copy of the card then casts the copy. Many people may groan at the creating a copy part, but here are the important distinctions:
    • It casts the copy - This was the original reason this made it into the deck for me. Casting a spell does trigger your Leering Emblem, Paradise plume, and does count for storm; it does not create the copy on the stack.
    • The copy it creates is created in the graveyard. This is another one I initially played wrong. The copy is cast from the graveyard. Your River Kelpie will trigger off of this. Your Secrets of the dead and Burning Vengeance will trigger if it was enchanting a card in your graveyard.



    Tibor and Lumia - A cheap aggressive general, who can give themselves evasion on the cheap, as well as handle threats on the ground. Inherently good against token swarms. Have been a bit overshadowed by their more recent rivals, Jenara, Asura of War, and Olivia Voldaren, yet because of this hold a strength in surprise and in their colors. Whereas Jenara and Olivia require some amount of mana dedicated to themselves, T&L's abilities fire off as a consequence of other actions. This allows the deck to be much faster than its rival generals.

    Instants
    Shadow Rift - Instant speed evasion. For almost all practical purposes, shadow = unblockable, especially when flying as well. While there is no inherent flashback, the cantrip is nice.
    Mind Games - Repeatable blue spell for a source of flying, and able to open otherwise closed attack routes. Do note that it taps things other than creatures, shutting down problematic mana sources or mazes prior to your turn/attack is very useful.
    Skred - Burn baby burn. This is red's best single mana removal spell in this format.
    Quicken - Technically in trial phase, this synergies with a lot of the deck. With 15 sorceries, and a built in cantrip, this is never a dead draw. Flashing back a Past in Flames for a blowout counterspell action is also very strong.
    Snap - Good creature bounce, that happens to be 'free.' With the spell reductions I run, it tends to generate mana for me. A good way to go off sooner.
    Reality Ripple - My secret gem of a card, it answers anything, or saves whatever you want. It answers almost anything for the mere cost of 1U.
    Psychotic Fury - Double Strikes our T&L for a quick kill, and cantrips in red. Awesome!
    Ignorant Bliss - Saves our hands from enemy removal (rarely), or more often from our own wheels. Turns any wheel effect into pure advantage.
    Echoing Truth - Blue bounce that hits non-creatures. This is how you deal with problematic enchantments. Side effect of being effective against tokens, if you can't deal with them with T&L for some reason.
    Frantic Search - See snap. Card filtration/draw, that is 'free.'
    Oona's Grace - On its own, it cycles lands for 2U. Nothing terribly awesome. As soom as you turn it into advantage with a Kelpie/Secrets of the dead, it starts to shine. If you reduce the cost, it positively glows. Turning all your lands into Ancestral Recall has never been cooler.
    Repulse - Instant speed answer, with a cantrip!
    Long-Term Plans - Tutoring power.
    Cerebral Vortex - Can be used on opponents EoT as an instant speed draw 2. Otherwise it punishes card drawers, or whoever you want when you chain wheels.
    Chaos Warp - Reds answer all.
    Turnabout - Generates absurd amounts of mana. This is one of those cards that was practically a mistake to print. You can also use it to shut out one player's defense if needed.
    Inspiration - Drawing cards is cool.
    Fact of Fiction - Drawing lots of cards is even cooler.
    Overblaze - Can boost T&L with a double damage, akin to Psychotic Fury, but shines as it also doubles T&L tremor ability, as well as being able to stack multiple times for insane damage.
    Plagiarize - Currently testing, it's an evil blowout with wheel effects, and is brutal with anyone abusing card draw. Do not cast versus a Sphinx player. (should probably be Jace's Ingenuity, but I can't find one atm.)
    Flash of Insight - Blue draw/search, with an easy flashback cost.
    ----
    Vex - counter (disputed by others)
    Arcane Denial - counter + card advantage
    Dream Fracture - counter + card advantage

    Sorceries
    Artful Dodge - Unblockable for 2 uses, flashback also synergies with the rest of the deck. Spot used to be held by Distortion Strike, which is good in its own way, but this fits better for the deck.
    Flame Jab - A true allstar in the deck: the river kelpie/secrets of the dead combo allows you to chain multiples off at a time.
    Gamble - tutor
    Faithless Looting - filtration with a flashback.
    Merchant Scroll - tutor
    Fabricate - tutor
    Windfall - wheel effect
    Wheel of Fortune - wheel
    Mystic Retrieval - Returns more spells for you to play. Essentially card advantage.
    Deep Analysis - Drawing cards is awesome!
    Concentrate - Repeated!
    Seize the Day - Our glorious combat trick to eliminate multiple opponents in a single turn. Because once you kill one person in a single hit, others get worried.
    Past in Flames - When this card was printed, this deck really cranked it into overdrive. This allows about 40% of the deck to be reused. Typically the turn you cast this, you win.
    Ignite Memories - When casting lots of spells, anything that takes advantage of that is pretty cool. Not only does this lay serious pain on someone, it does it with style.
    Time Spiral - (trial) Fits under the wheel/draw 7 idea, as well as generating more mana. I have some concern over losing my graveyard, as that's my goto for quick answers, especially if some spells are already exiled, as that would dilute the spell-nonspell ratio of the deck. Still, it was a broken card once, I don't see why that would end now.

    Creatures
    Walking Atlas - Mana acceleration (while he lasts). Getting going in the early game is crucial.
    Guard Gomazoa - I'm trying out the 2 jellyfish as early deterrents. Updates to come.
    Gomazoa
    Anger - haste.
    River Kelpie - Oh sweet awesome the draw.

    Artifacts
    Swiftfoot Boots - haste/hexproof/awesome (greaves prevents you from giving T&L flying, as well as other self buff spells, like psychotic fury)
    Leering Emblem - Oh sweet heaven, this is responsible for many a blowout. With only 2 spells it makes T&L a 7/7, which is a 3 hit kill. For two more, at 11/11 is 2 hit, which happens to work well with psychotic fury, Overblaze and Carpe Diem.
    Runechanter's Pike - You may think this doesn't work well with flashback, but let me educate you: Every spell you flashback gets you more cards. More cards means more spells to play, which means more spells in the graveyard. It's cool. Don't trust me on this, just try it.
    Diviner's Wand - Auto equips to T&L, and a wheel effect alone puts T&L in kill zone (1 card for your turn, +7 off of wheel puts T&L up to an 11/11. Add Overblaze/Double Strike, etc = dead opponent)
    ----
    Wayfarer's Bauble - ramp
    Sol Ring - rock
    Izzet Signet - rock
    Darksteel Ingot - non-dying rock
    Paradise Plume - rock that gains sick absurd amounts of life.
    ----
    helm of Awakening - cheap
    Sapphire Medallion - cheap for me
    Catalyst Stone - cheaper for me sometimes
    Stone Calendar - cheap for me for everything
    Mana Matrix - I'm a cheapskate

    Enchantments
    Secrets of the Dead - Kelpie version 2.0
    Burning Vengeance - (kinda trial) Alternate damage options are useful at times.
    ----
    Spellweaver Volute - It is awesome, see the dedicated section.

    Planeswalker
    Tezzeret the Seeker - searchy stuff, or untap the mana stuff you have.

    ----
    LANDS
    12 Snow-Covered Mountain
    12 Snow-Covered Island
    1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
    1 Izzet Boilerworks
    1 Temple of the False God
    1 Reliquary Tower
    1 Riptide Laboratory
    1 Buried Ruin
    1 Academy Ruins
    1 Haunted Fengraf
    1 Terrain Generator
    1 Thawing Glaciers
    1 Tectonic Edge
    1 Ghost Quarter
    1 Strip Mine


    Trade Secrets - an all-star card in this deck; sadly it is a one-stop-shop for degenerate situations if you target the right player, often ending in "you win now, or they win on their turn" type of plays.
    Crucible of Worlds - The retrace spells absolutely beg for this; and yet it never makes the final cut. It is always just 1 card away.
    Trade Routes - Another card that retrace loves, it is a bit more of a suicidal approach. Very strong, but eventually I found it to really be just on par. Great, but not necessary.
    Empyrial Plate - For a deck that loves to draw cards, this is another great equipment for an aggressive build. Overall, I felt that 3 equipment served the job plenty fine, and oddly, I found this one to be the one hardest to charge up to lethal (though gives the best permanent return as well).
    Surrakar Spellblade and friends - Great cards, goes for a different version of the deck. ;-P (imagine a blue cantrip theme with "on connect" creatures like Kukemsa Pirates, using T&L's blue ability as free connection tool)
    Radiate - A beastly monster of a card, this can do so much, though you never know game to game what it will do. Further in this thread, one advocate of this card used it to Reality Ripple everything during an opponents end step, so he was the only one with permanents. No blockers, no counterspell mana... Seems like a cool way to win to me.
    Reckless Charge - Probably the only place you will ever see this card on a Notable Exclusions list. I still need to wrangle one into my deck, extra haste sources allow that blowout kill from anywhere, and built in pump as well as flashback make this a no-brainer.

    POWERFUL STORM CARDS:
    Volcanic Awakening - Powerful land destruction.
    Temporal Fissure - Powerful bounce.
    Mind's Desire - More of everything.
    To put storm spells in perspective, I have hit over 30 spells in a turn before. I believe I have hit over 40.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on Massive Token Generators?
    for consistent token producers:
    Nemata, Grove Guardian 2g: saproling
    sacred mesa 1w: pegasus (1w upkeep)
    mobilization 2w: soldier
    Dragon roost a lot: dragons (flying)

    one per turns and slightly harder to destroy:
    squirrel nest enchant land 0: squirrel
    leafdrake roost enchant land 2: drake(flyers)
    Kjeldoran Outpost land 2: soldier = awesome.
    Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree land 4: saproling
    Urza's factory land 7: assembly worker

    Deserted temple can be used to untap lands+enchanted lands

    upkeep producers:
    (each upkeep, not just yours)
    The best fatty ever printed
    verdant embrace
    dragon broodmother

    There's also a white guy that pitches a card to make 2 soldiers.
    and of course, since you'll be losing tokens:
    jotun owl keeper


    and for the infinite combo:
    earthcraft
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on [EDH] Sedris, The Reanimator
    Quote from DalkonCledwin

    Teferi's Veil (this is a notable change because I removed Nevinyrral's Disk in order to make room for it, I am unsure if this is the right decision or not)


    Those actually work very well together, as you can disk while your creatures are phased out (although anything unearthed will then RFG on your next turn). A notable mass removal is Jokulhops or Obliterate, both leave enchantments intact and was the basis of the sneak/veil deck.

    It's rather hard to survive long when you have nothing and your opponent keeps sneaking out big things for one red.
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  • posted a message on [EDH] Sedris, The Reanimator
    That thread is old and references rules that no longer exist. There is no 502.15d. The latest rules on phasing is that it is a status change, not a zone change:

    702.23b If a permanent phases out, its status changes to "phased out." Except for rules and effects that specifically mention phased-out permanents, a phased-out permanent is treated as though it does not exist. It can't affect or be affected by anything else in the game.


    and

    702.23d The phasing event doesn't actually cause a permanent to change zones or control, even though it's treated as though it's not on the battlefield and not under its controller's control while it's phased out. Zone-change triggers don't trigger when a permanent phases in or out. Counters remain on a permanent while it's phased out. Effects that check a phased-in permanent's history won't treat the phasing event as having caused the permanent to leave or enter the battlefield or its controller's control.


    It does not leave the battlefield.


    http://www.wizards.com/magic/comprules/MagicCompRules_20110204.txt
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  • posted a message on Sek'kuar was made for Rock'n
    You don't need to limit yourself to cheap recurring creatures for sek'kuar. Sneak Attack lets you pull out fatties for cheap that make great sac fodder since they will die anyways. Golgari Germination will also give more tokens for your dead fodder. Combine it with Gleancrawler and like effects to bring it all back for a round 2. Cold snap had a recover-able raise dead that is always nice when things die, and tempest had the buyback one (5 mana each, total for recusion).
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  • posted a message on [EDH] Sedris, The Reanimator
    Quote from Wildfire393
    There's one key, older, obscure card that really makes Sedris tick - Teferi's Veil. Whenever you Unearth a creature, it has haste so it can bash right away. Swing, and it phases out, and thus won't be in play to be exiled at the end of your turn - and since phasing out doesn't count as "leaving play", it won't exile the creature when it tries to phase out.


    Curse you for giving away the awesome spoils! It used to be used with Sneak Attack a lot. Which, speaking of, is great in sedris as well.
    R: sneak out a fatty and smash, 2B: do it again.
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  • posted a message on Cromat - Choose Wisely!
    Decided to add a reply as your EDH decks seem to mesh quite well in flavor with mine.

    I've been running a Cromat deck for quite a while, although I run a large number of nonbasics for mana fixing. While many manafixing non-basics can be rather expensive (duals) or bad (city of brass, not a fan of the pain) there are several easy to acquire common and uncommon lands that help a lot:

    The 4 tainteds I find are absolutely excellent, they dual black+* which is always good for destroying combatants or regenerating the general.

    The ravnica bounce lands are great, they essentially get you an extra land drop, and if you decide to only add the color pairs for cromats abilities, you have an ability on one land. Simic Growth chamber and Golgari Rot Farm are well worth their weight. If you also run a lot of basics, they combo well with thawing glaciers (slightly more expensive).

    Finally the new triple lands from shards are great as well.
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