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  • posted a message on [KHM] Dragonkin Berserker (Leak)
    Discussion about how the users of this site are terrible people isn't a productive line of discussion, and is insulting to those people that use this site. It also has nothing to do with the leaks.

    If you have concerns about the site's directions, or have ideas for improvements, please let us know in the staff inbox. We would love to hear your feedback as to how to make the site a more welcoming experience.

    This is not the thread for that though. Thanks.


    https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/community-discussion/staff-inbox
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on so where are all these keldheim leaks coming from
    It can also be a bunch of people making their own mock ups. The vast majority of the leaks check off known text from Maro's hint list. Mock up artists will often take things from that list to add an amount of credibility to their design, but I find it suspect that all but one of the leaks seem to come directly from that list.

    Not only that, but one reason they could all (mostly) be white is to keep the numbers closer together. Right now the four white cards are set at numbers 22, 24, 26, and 29... all with titles starting with R or S. that means that 23, 25, 27, and 28 all also start with R or S. That's a lot of R's. I could see a few "Runeforged" getting repeated. But that's still intriguing as well.
    Posted in: Baseless Speculation
  • posted a message on [Admin] bobthefunny's Strategic Chalkboard
    I would like to know how the forum intends to implement the policy on 'Inclusion in the MTG Salvation Community'.

    Edit: There's been a lot of flaming and snide remarks made by users on the very principles this policy is based upon and I'm tired of seeing our threads devolve just because somebody doesn't like seeing a Black women be the face of a Viking-inspired set.
    We will always do what we can to make MTGSalvation a safe place to foster respectful discussion about Magic. We do have to remember that this is a hobby that many people are passionate about, and when passions are high, things can get a bit heated. Moderators are here to try and salve and smooth over those times when things get a bit too passionate, as well as to respond to comments that go beyond the bounds of our community.

    If you, or anyone else, finds comments they feel are unsafe, harmful, or go beyond the bounds of our community, we urge you to bring these comments to our attention with the Report feature, and include why you feel the comment is inappropriate.

    Our moderators are volunteers, and are only human as well. Sometimes we make mistakes, or simply do not have the knowledge on certain matters. I once received a report based on a derogatory word which I had been previously unaware of, but was able to understand the context of from the explanation of the reporter as well as a bit of research. More explanation is always good.


    People will always state their complaints and opinions, some might agree or disagree with (and yea for some a black women (Kaya) in a viking set is an immersion breaking issue, some might see it as a positive, others dont, people are different in their opinions, which isnt an issue, its the entire point of any inclusion, that some will disagree).
    If a person take issue about a character being in the set because of their race. That is racism. There is no other word for it. It's literally the issue being discussed. Her race.

    This is a fictional game, where Planeswalkers are travelers. They are foreign elements into ANY of these worlds they visit. That's the whole point of Magic. Jace can visit Ixalan, Sorin can visit Zendikar, Arlinn can visit Ravnica. To say that a foreign tourist ruins the immersion or historical accuracy of a world? Because of their RACE?

    No. Those statements are not acceptable. It is literally an argument about exclusion based on race, which is the literal definition of racism.

    Nevermind historical realities that the Vikings sailed all the way into the Mediterranean, and traded with, and fought, in that region. Considering that Vikings dealt with, dealt in, and took slaves, having Black characters would even NOT be out of context, if we were going for historical accuracy.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_slave_trade
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_expansion
    The Norse also took Baltic, Slavic and Latin slaves. The Vikings kept some slaves as servants and sold most captives in the Byzantine or Islamic markets.[citation needed] The slave trade was one of the pillars of the Norse economy during the 6th through 11th centuries.[citation needed] The Persian traveler Ibn Rustah described how Swedish Vikings, the Varangians or Rus, terrorized and enslaved the Slavs taken in their raids along the Volga River.
    The well-known Harald Hardrada would also serve the Byzantine emperor in Palestine as well as raiding North Africa, the Middle East as far east as Armenia, and the island of Sicily in the 11th century, as recounted in his saga in Snorri Sturluson's Heimskringla.[103]

    Evidence for Norse ventures into Arabia and Central Asia can be found in runestones erected in Scandinavia by the relatives of fallen Viking adventurers. Several of these refer to men who died in "Serkland" (possibly Arabia).[104]


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    When a post gets completely of topic (or any claim somebody is a "nazi" should be outright removed, its a massive fuel to catapult any discourse out of the window).
    Calling someone a Nazi is Flaming, and will be infracted. If you see this behavior occur, please report it.


    The result of censoring any opinions and feelings is far worse than a community thats able to work their differences out in favor of the game.

    As it is right now, the calls for censorship and moderation in favor of a unified mindset and not allowing any negative opinions about anything is harmful.
    I disagree. Not every statement is equally correct, moral, or impactful. We are under no obligation, morally or otherwise, to allow a platform to every kind of speech or opinion. For example, outright hateful speech will never be permitted on this site. The question is thus not about "whether" we can or should moderate, but about "where."

    Finding the line between allowing polite and insightful discussion can sometimes be tricky. Sometimes, such as with racism, it's not.



    So the entire argument comes down to:

    "You are not allowed to critique anything of a fictional character"
    This is hyperbole. Of course not everyone will accept or connect with everything about every character. I have criticism on how many aspects of Magic have been handled, such as the retcon of Ugin, and how the Bolas arc ended.

    However, when the critique of a character is based upon their race, or their gender, or their gender identity... That's not a critique. That's prejudice.
    Posted in: Staff Helpdesks
  • posted a message on Can Tale's end counter the discard trigger from ideas unbound?
    In the future, rulings questions should go into the rulings forum. also remember to use card tags so that people can easily see which cards you are referring to.

    [card]Ideas Unbound[/card] = Ideas Unbound

    As the question is answered, I'll just close this thread. Smile
    Posted in: Community Discussion
  • posted a message on [KHM] - Commanders Official
    Polite reminder for people to keep their cool and remain friendly.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [Admin] bobthefunny's Strategic Chalkboard
    I apologise for locking the thread. I've been busy the last few days, and I need a bit of time to catch up on this conversation and reply to it.

    Some of this conversation seems to no longer be about site concerns. I will reiterate the following:
    • This thread is not an alternate Debate Forum. Please keep all discussion focused on site concerns.
    • I do not wish to, and will try not to issue warnings/points in this thread. I do not want anyone to have any reservation or fear in bringing forward site concerns while here.
    • That said, egregious posts - attacks against other users, etc, still do not belong here.

    I hope to make my way through this thread and answer any concerns arisen, however, there are a number of open tickets, so it may take some time to get back to this.


    Thank you,
    -bobthfunny.
    Posted in: Staff Helpdesks
  • posted a message on Two new planeswalkers Niko Aris and Tyvar Kell (bio only)
    Right. I thought this was cleaned up yesterday, but apparently I was wrong. This is now WAY off base. None of this is even about Magic anymore.

    I'm shutting this down.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Need help finding old thread
    When Europe passed the GDPR in 2016 updating how websites handle personal data, cookies, and many other things - every European user had to validate that they wished to keep their accounts, or the site had to delete their content.

    Unfortunately, the thread linked is one such example of that. It appears that the user and all their content was removed per those legal restrictions.
    Posted in: Staff Helpdesks
  • posted a message on Two new planeswalkers Niko Aris and Tyvar Kell (bio only)
    I do have one issue with Niko though. Why exactly is "athlete" blue? I read their justification but this to me really harkens back to "new thing" being put in blue in the early days of Magic. It feels a little strange to me that blue gets the jocks and the nerds. It's like the breakfast club but blue is overrepresented.


    It feels to me that 'athlete' can fall into any of the five colors, depending on motivation. Green is probably most natural, given the physical 'natural' contest, and we see that with The First Iroan Games. However, red has the passion of athleticism (Hero of the Games), black has the competitiveness, and white has the teamwork and self-discipline. I can certainly see Blue getting in on it with rigidness and self improvement.

    Physical study and excellence is certainly a newer spotlight for blue, but we have seen physically proficient characters in blue, such as the ninja - who achieve their physical excellence through training and study. Lu Xun, Scholar General and Sun Ce, Young Conquerer could be another? Zhou Yu, Chief Commander is no slouch either, as an 8/8. Or the representation of monks with Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest?

    This also feels right at home on Theros, as the real world comparison - the Olympic Games, welcomed competitors of all walks of life - it makes sense that there would be athletes of all color alignments represented. This also aligns with some real world examples, such as Plato, who was a wrestler and wrestling coach. Socrates was a distinguished soldier.

    Overall, we haven't seen a lot of sports at all in magic - The most athletic event would likely be the Coliseum in the Battlebond set, where we see a variety of charaters, from Green having the physically weakest contestant, to Will Kenrith being a Blue character with good physical prowess.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on How does your play group feel about/use proxies?
    Likewise as above, my playgroup allows the following proxies:
    • Proxy cards you own, in order to not need to swap between multiple decks.
    • Proxy cards you have purchased/plan to purchase, but haven't arrived yet.
    • Proxy cards you may want to purchase, but want to be sure of before making an investment.

    The third is perhaps a bit more unique, but everyone has their budget, and some card might represent a fair portion of that budget. Sometimes you want to be sure the card you're thinking of will work the way you hope before pulling the trigger on a significant investment.

    We've been talking about opening up our proxy acceptance though, in order to try to even out the playing field between certain players, but nothing has come of that yet.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Sell me on your favorite commander you never see played
    I've built Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient a couple times now, and always find him fun. Outside of the usual artifact shenanigans, my most recent build was planeswalker+proliferate, and that was rather exciting. I just wish they had more Liquimetal Coating effects.

    Riku of Two Reflections is no where near as popular now as he used to be, but when he came out I built a budget deck with him, and all I can say is that Chancellor of the Forge with Parallel Lives gets into mathy territory real fast. (With only Rikku and parallel lives out, Chancellor makes over 100 goblin tokens. Add 26 goblins per extra pre-existing creature you control). I had a birthing pod chain in the deck, and I was looking for a step on the way to Craterhoof Behemoth (which had just come out, and was budget at the time), I eschewed the standard Avenger of Zendikar for the cheaper Chancellor. I quickly discovered that I never made it to my 8 slot. Chancellor alone was a game ending slot. Other fun things to copy over included Hellrider (Ever attack someone with 6 hellriders? It's fun), and Kessig Cagebreakers (attacked with 3 cage breakers, with 7 creatures in grave, and parallel lives out). My greatest game though, was probably where I managed to bouce chancellor and recast a few times, for over a billion goblins, then dropped a tripled craterhoof to reach something like 3x10^23 damage - non-infinite. Took a short while on the calculator to figure out the rough ballpark of damage.

    I have been wanting to build a Chainer, Nightmare Adept deck for a bit now, but just haven't quite gotten started on it. He doesn't seem to be the most popular commander from that set of decks.

    Depending on your group, just about any UR or URx commander can pilot a storm deck adequately well. You can adjust the commander based upon your desired difficulty. Mizzix/Kykar being easy mode, Tibor and Lumia being no help from the command zone mode.

    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Weekly MTG first look at Kaldheim landscape
    Hey everyone, just a friendly reminder to keep things civil.

    Different people have different expectations of this set, and are allowed to have different emotions as to whether or not their expectations are being set. That's no reason to belittle anyone, or get angry that people have different expectations.

    Spoilers are still very lacking in details, let's be a bit patient before decrying whether or not the set fulfills our fantasies...

    ===

    I will say that I find the art on Lavaglide Pathway to be absolutely gorgeous. It reminds me a bit of Thawing Glaciers. Probably just because it's a glacier, but still.

    Boulderloft Pathway's art is equally fascinating.

    Shame that Glaciers is reserved. Would have been a sweet include in the set.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [Admin] bobthefunny's Strategic Chalkboard
    Quote from FlossedBeaver »
    A recently deleted thread from the general forum has me very confused about Feyd_Ruin's role as a mod here, not least of all because it concerned discourse and moderation prerogatives on a completely different website. Is Feyd a mod here, a mod at another website, both, or neither?
    Both.

    Feyd is a technical admin and mod here, and is also the primary tech and administrator of MTGNexus. The two sites are separate, and have differing policies, though our policies and approaches do overlap in some ways. We have a few members who moderate both forums.

    The recent thread involved a user who had been banned from Nexus, who tried to open discussion here with several members who are moderators on both sites. We have instructed that person that the proper way for them to discuss his position with Nexus, is through Nexus' own channels for that - and not here. Or at least - not publicly.
    Posted in: Staff Helpdesks
  • posted a message on Titanify (Does this even work???)
    This has gone far enough. This thread has devolved into nothing but vitriol. Any further name-calling or trolling will be heavily infracted. Any further harassment will be heavily infracted.

    Let's get this thread back to discussing the actual card in question.
    Posted in: Custom Card Creation
  • posted a message on BREWING GUIDANCE NEEDED: KODAMA OF THE EAST TREE
    Kodama is a powerful effect, so you'll have to be careful to not go infinite, or even simply powerful levels of value (Dead-eye Navigator) but there's bound to be a lot you can do with it, especially with instant speed shenanigans to drop out surprises on other turns.

    I have played Alurenin Commander in a 1-drop tribal Karador deck. In the general scheme of things though, its uses do tend to lean more towards the combo side of things. Even that Karador deck was upgraded to include a combo that uses Aluren, though that was a response to another combo player joining the group.

    Kraum gives you some good draw to balance out Kodama's hand emptying ability. While Teferi's Veil won't work the way you want, it's still a great card to protect you from wrath effects and sorcery speed removal, though it will turn off Kodama on opponents' turns if you phase her out. To play with these kinds of combat tricks, you could look at blink shenanigans instead, such as ghostly flicker. A blink style deck would be very potent with Kodama at the helm.

    I’d personally brew around with kodama and the new sakashima to get two triggers whenever something enters the battlefield.

    You would get potentially infinite triggers.

    When you put in something from Kodama's ability, it was not Sakashima's ability, so Saka will trigger. When you put something in from Saka's trigger, it was not Kodama's ability, so Kodama will trigger. Repeat until hand empty.

    With the multitude of mass card draw creatures (Zegana, Keruga, the Macrosage), green etb draw effects (Elemental Bond), and clones, people have already brewed instant wins off of it where you can draw and play your entire deck in one turn. Frown
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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