This is so far off the rails from discussing Magic at this point; I'm shutting this down.
It's Black History Month, people... Making a product themed to that is not pandering, nor political. It's literally the theme of the month, and a Nationally recognized cultural event.
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Feb 4, 2021Posted in: Staff Helpdesks
Yes, if race were factored in it is racist. That is why outside of the context of a Mafia game, where the term 'lynch' would be difficult to justify without a racial overtone/impact, and would be disallowed. The very argument you make can be used in favor on allowing the term, as the gameplay usage divests it of a racial connotation in that context.
Your attribution of a stance to the site is likewise incorrect. You are falsely attributing an extreme stance to the site to argue against, and that is incorrect, and also the literal definition of a straw man argument.
We have also received no indication that this issue is as prevalent as you make it out to be. So far it does seem that other users are able to identify that the context of the game term is separate from racial connotations.
For reference, this debate here, seems to agree with this overall sentiment:
In addition, even wikipedia does not refer to lynching as a racially charged word. While it explicitly and up front states that lynching of African Americans was common and prevalent, it also shows that lynching has connotations and prevalence across the entire world:
That said, wikipedia DID however also tag lynching as part of their series on discrimination, which does show the word to be racially charged.
I will look into this.
This is something to look into. I will admit that we have not discussed what the ideal timeline would be within the staff, and this does seem to be an important piece of information in order to determine what the timeline would look like.
There will always be individuals who, for one reason or another, are resistant to change. Ideally, once the general Mafia group has accepted and transitioned on, we would start to officially send reminders and warnings, and eventually infractions to stop using the term. The mod staff will discuss what an ideal timeline should be.
What, precisely, is there to gain? What I see is an action that will have no discernable impact, short of being a position of spite on the way out the door.
When/(if) the Mafia community leaves, I would personally prefer to simply move on from it, and archive the forums. With the Mafia forum gone, this resolves the issue, as there would no longer be a context for the use of the word 'lynch,' and we would be able to unilaterally make it unacceptable. Should users wish to reopen a Mafia forum in the future then, we would be able to do so with a fresh start, and caveat the term as unacceptable from the very beginning. This seems a much more practical solution.
You can bet that the vast vast majority have no ill intentions what so ever, so the words themselves dont hurt anybody and they are also have no means to hurt anybody , and frankly, the vast majority of people wont care at all if they read "lynch" or any other words, they accept its a game with its own rules and flavor.
Anybody can feel offended by basically anything, its absolutely impossible to create a space in which everyone is welcome to the fullest extend and anybody is protected by being offended ... thats not a possible end scenario ... the only thing that is possible, is to create a space that fits your very own personal guidelines of what you want to accept and what you dont want to accept.
I need to address a few things here:
- Just because a person or group of people do NOT find something offensive, does not mean that it is not offensive.
- 'Lynch' is a term with racial connotations within the United States.
- People are still threatened with lynching in the United States, and these acts ARE hate crimes, and ARE racially charge. Though ultimately found to be a case of misunderstanding, the NASCAR incident this past year shows that a noose IS problematic, that intentionally putting a noose IS a hatecrime, and also showed the support of many people coming together who realized this.
- Words absolutely CAN hurt people.
- There is a line that needs to be drawn, and generally speaking that line would get drawn between where an individual gets offended, and where something is an recognized offence to a larger group of people as a whole.
I suggest you look over the history of lynching to better understand FB's position and stance:
Furthermore, as stated above even Wikipedia includes their article on lynching as part of their series on discrimination. See the right hand bar. This further shows that the term is racially charged.
Calling someone alt-right was uncalled for FB, and comes awfully close to a personal attack.
Jan 31, 2021No.Posted in: Staff Helpdesks
First off, there's false equivalency here. The Mafia forum has already indicated a direction from moving away from the term 'lynch' which is the term you are objecting to. Secondly, there is the matter of context, usage, and history involved; as well as the cultural implications in areas which are not the United States, which you seem to be repeatedly ignoring.
What we have here is not a group deciding what is and is not racist, it is the understanding that the term has been used in a separate context with a different meaning. They have accepted that the term has charged usage outside of their context, and have made indications towards moving towards different usages.
Let me give you an alternate example, in the word "Retard." Retard is considered an pejorative and offensive word here on MTGS. We do not accept it as an insult, description, or even passing phrase. However, we also understand that the term holds history as a medical term, which though no longer widely acceptable even in that context, could hold legitimate usages. Despite the word having a legitimate context in medical history - the medical profession has moved onward and discontinued usage of the word due to the negative connotations, which came in from an outside context. However, that change occured over a period of time of phasing out the terminology.
That is what is happening here. They have a word within their context and definition, have accepted there is a charged connotation, and are now in the process of phasing out their vocabulary. At this time, we are allowing this change and phasing to occur naturally. Should this natural phase out stall or not occur in good faith, we shall revisit the topic, but at this juncture we do not see any reason to assume any sort of bad faith.
In any regard, this entire thing may soon be a moot point, so at current we are awaiting to see how this plays out.
Jan 31, 2021Hi guys, if you have drama from somewhere else, settle it there, not here. This beef does not have a place in this thread - this thread is for the discussion of the future of the Mafia group, and thereby the forums as they stand here. Not personal vendettas.Posted in: Mafia
Jan 29, 2021Posted in: Commander (EDH)Quote from Pete the pancreas »
Regarding Birgi, compared to Kykar, this card is stronger solely for the fact that creatures work as well for her ability. Plus, this card promotes effects like Mindmoil to cycle through a deck, essentially pulling 1 cost instants or 0 cost creatures to grapeshot for lethal or Aetherflux Reservoir. And I wanted to keep it brief and left out a bunch of info which is me being a beginner to card reviews.
For Cosima, she’s still not that good. Sure you draw a bunch of cards, but she doesn’t have haste, you have to run multiple fetches, for a payout that works really well... chancing that you pull lands. There are a bunch of other mono blue commanders that do that job better, and the boat god part was solely for comedy and the select few people that like dolphins.
Regarding Maja, the infinite is Life and Limb and Maskwood Nexus.
Regarding Birgi, God of Storytelling vs Kykar, Wind's Fury, I think there are enough differences that they don't preculde each other from being played - that said, there's a lot of overlap between them. As far as storm combos go, I think the advantage has to go to Kykar - both have the ability to essentially "refund" 1 mana from spells, but aside from the extra colors, the ability to stockpile spirits in prior turns can give Kykar a significant head start on preparing a combo turn. This can also be achieved with other sources of spirit generation prior to dropping Kykar, as well as the creatures being a threat in their own right, offering more win conditions. Creatures also offer alternate use cases with other sac outlets or value engines. Overall there's just a lot more flexibility.
Where Birgi, God of Storytelling really shines though is her back face. Having both options of mana 'reduction' OR card draw in the command zone lets her fill either half of the equation depending on what's missing. That is insanely powerful as an ability.
Honestly though, considering that any UR commander is storm-viable, and how much Birgi adds to any such deck, I expect to see Birgi in the 99 considerably more than in the Command Zone.
For Cosima, God of the Voyage, I think both faces are great. Early in the game she can ensure you hit early land drops. You can drop the boat on turn 2, then a 2 drop creature on 3 (such as Ghostly Pilferer), crew and attack, even if you didn't have a third land.
As far as her main face with the card draw, Tireless Tracker is a highly popular card. Part of this is that he gives green some extra card draw, especially some that is not tied to creatures (other than the tracker himself being one). Green also ramps more, so can make more clues...
However... it still costs 2 mana per clue that you crack for card draw. Cosima is a similar effect - Land = Draw, except that she's free.
Again though, as with Birgi, being able to fix early lands, or late game draw, is a powerful ability to have in the Command Zone. I think that flexibility is what will really make Cosima interesting.
I hope you have a sac outlet out or some other way to interrupt that Maja, Bretagard Protector combo, otherwise you just drew the game... =D
Jan 29, 2021https://mtgcommander.net/index.php/2021/01/25/2021-january-update/Posted in: Commander (EDH)
2021 JANUARY UPDATE
2021-01-25 SHELDON MENERY
Clarified Rule 11.
Parts of abilities which bring other card(s) you own from outside the game into the game (such as Living Wish; Spawnsire of Ulamog; Karn, the Great Creator) do not function in Commander.
We’ve had some questions about Karn, the Great Creator’s -2 ability and whether the parts of it that don’t refer to outside the game work. They do, so we added a couple of words to remove any ambiguity from the rule. The goal is to set the default space for outside the game to empty and let playgroups choose amongst themselves if they want to fill it with anything.
Expansion of the Commander Advisory Group.
The Commander Advisory Group continues to be the best idea we’ve ever had. The passionate and insightful advice we’ve gotten from them on a broad range of Commander-related topics has been invaluable. We’d like more of that.
To that end, we will be expanding the size of the CAG. For now, we’re adding four people who represent some of the marvelous voices filling out the Commander chorus. Jim LaPage (@JimTSF) is well known for his community-building and keen Magic mind. Another sharp Magic brain, Rachel Weeks (@wachelreeks) is also co-host of The Commander Sphere podcast and graphic artist who has been a frequent guest on the Commander RC Twitch stream. DeQuan Watson (@powrdragn) is a long-time Magic community advocate and activist who hosts the Color of Magic podcast. US Army Major Greg Sablan (@gregorysablan), who we’ve been chatting with for more than a year now, represents the vast global military Commander community. You can everyone’s full bios here. We’re excited to have them on board and happy to have their help taking the format into the future.
There’s still work to be done and room for a few more seats on the CAG. We’re aware that we still have underrepresented demographics and locations. You can expect our efforts to search for, find, and amplify great voices around the world to continue, both for CAG consideration and to further foster the values of our great Commander community.
As always, you can read the official announcement on the Rules' Committee's mtgcommander.net site:
Jan 28, 2021I see Dirk beat me to this, but your assessment of Toralf, God of Fury is incomplete.Posted in: Commander (EDH)
Aside from just Blasphemous Act and Chain Reaction shenanigans, you're overlooking another Red signature: Furnace of Rath effects.
If you have Furnace out, Toralf starts murdering people. Let's say an opponent has 3 1/1 goblins out. You lightning bolt one, doubled, for 6 damage. 5 excess means Toralf doubles to 10 damage to the next. That leaves 9 excess, doubling to 18 on the third. Finally, that 17 excess damage can now go to anyone's face for 34 damage.
This is not going to be a super consistent combo... nor high amounts of play; but this is not relegated to simply being a spellslinger commander.
Jan 6, 2021Discussion about how the users of this site are terrible people isn't a productive line of discussion, and is insulting to those people that use this site. It also has nothing to do with the leaks.Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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This is not the thread for that though. Thanks.
Jan 5, 2021It can also be a bunch of people making their own mock ups. The vast majority of the leaks check off known text from Maro's hint list. Mock up artists will often take things from that list to add an amount of credibility to their design, but I find it suspect that all but one of the leaks seem to come directly from that list.Posted in: Baseless Speculation
Not only that, but one reason they could all (mostly) be white is to keep the numbers closer together. Right now the four white cards are set at numbers 22, 24, 26, and 29... all with titles starting with R or S. that means that 23, 25, 27, and 28 all also start with R or S. That's a lot of R's. I could see a few "Runeforged" getting repeated. But that's still intriguing as well.
Dec 19, 2020Posted in: Staff Helpdesks
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Edit: There's been a lot of flaming and snide remarks made by users on the very principles this policy is based upon and I'm tired of seeing our threads devolve just because somebody doesn't like seeing a Black women be the face of a Viking-inspired set.
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If a person take issue about a character being in the set because of their race. That is racism. There is no other word for it. It's literally the issue being discussed. Her race.
This is a fictional game, where Planeswalkers are travelers. They are foreign elements into ANY of these worlds they visit. That's the whole point of Magic. Jace can visit Ixalan, Sorin can visit Zendikar, Arlinn can visit Ravnica. To say that a foreign tourist ruins the immersion or historical accuracy of a world? Because of their RACE?
No. Those statements are not acceptable. It is literally an argument about exclusion based on race, which is the literal definition of racism.
Nevermind historical realities that the Vikings sailed all the way into the Mediterranean, and traded with, and fought, in that region. Considering that Vikings dealt with, dealt in, and took slaves, having Black characters would even NOT be out of context, if we were going for historical accuracy.
The Norse also took Baltic, Slavic and Latin slaves. The Vikings kept some slaves as servants and sold most captives in the Byzantine or Islamic markets. The slave trade was one of the pillars of the Norse economy during the 6th through 11th centuries. The Persian traveler Ibn Rustah described how Swedish Vikings, the Varangians or Rus, terrorized and enslaved the Slavs taken in their raids along the Volga River.The well-known Harald Hardrada would also serve the Byzantine emperor in Palestine as well as raiding North Africa, the Middle East as far east as Armenia, and the island of Sicily in the 11th century, as recounted in his saga in Snorri Sturluson's Heimskringla.
Evidence for Norse ventures into Arabia and Central Asia can be found in runestones erected in Scandinavia by the relatives of fallen Viking adventurers. Several of these refer to men who died in "Serkland" (possibly Arabia).
Calling someone a Nazi is Flaming, and will be infracted. If you see this behavior occur, please report it.When a post gets completely of topic (or any claim somebody is a "nazi" should be outright removed, its a massive fuel to catapult any discourse out of the window).
I disagree. Not every statement is equally correct, moral, or impactful. We are under no obligation, morally or otherwise, to allow a platform to every kind of speech or opinion. For example, outright hateful speech will never be permitted on this site. The question is thus not about "whether" we can or should moderate, but about "where."
As it is right now, the calls for censorship and moderation in favor of a unified mindset and not allowing any negative opinions about anything is harmful.
Finding the line between allowing polite and insightful discussion can sometimes be tricky. Sometimes, such as with racism, it's not.
This is hyperbole. Of course not everyone will accept or connect with everything about every character. I have criticism on how many aspects of Magic have been handled, such as the retcon of Ugin, and how the Bolas arc ended.
"You are not allowed to critique anything of a fictional character"
However, when the critique of a character is based upon their race, or their gender, or their gender identity... That's not a critique. That's prejudice.
Dec 19, 2020bobthefunny posted a message on Can Tale's end counter the discard trigger from ideas unbound?In the future, rulings questions should go into the rulings forum. also remember to use card tags so that people can easily see which cards you are referring to.Posted in: Community Discussion
[card]Ideas Unbound[/card] = Ideas Unbound
As the question is answered, I'll just close this thread.
Dec 18, 2020I apologise for locking the thread. I've been busy the last few days, and I need a bit of time to catch up on this conversation and reply to it.Posted in: Staff Helpdesks
Some of this conversation seems to no longer be about site concerns. I will reiterate the following:
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- I do not wish to, and will try not to issue warnings/points in this thread. I do not want anyone to have any reservation or fear in bringing forward site concerns while here.
- That said, egregious posts - attacks against other users, etc, still do not belong here.
I hope to make my way through this thread and answer any concerns arisen, however, there are a number of open tickets, so it may take some time to get back to this.
Dec 18, 2020bobthefunny posted a message on Two new planeswalkers Niko Aris and Tyvar Kell (bio only)Right. I thought this was cleaned up yesterday, but apparently I was wrong. This is now WAY off base. None of this is even about Magic anymore.Posted in: The Rumor Mill
I'm shutting this down.
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Oct 17, 2016You are right that it is a fitting choice in a Sydri deck as well. Sydri's ability to give lifelink to a large number of artifacts will quickly put you over the required life total, and then giving the Reservoir lifelink allows it to immediately recoup the life payment that you put into it, and eliminate all of the opponents in quick succession. This is especially synergistic with the popular pillowfort/control versions of Sydri, which use artifacts like Caltrops (given deathtouch) or Timebomb to deter attacks and keep the board clean.Posted in: Articles
If you have a Sydri deck of your own, I'd love to hear any stories of how the reservoir plays out for you.
May 4, 2016Thanks for the feedback, I'll try and keep that in mind for future articles.Posted in: Articles
You raise a good point about the Sundial's resilience, and you're right that it'll still see play in a number of decks/strategies that value that more highly. Something very controlling with a lot of wraths, for example, would likely prefer the sundial rather than the tracker, if it was looking for that effect. Overall though, for the decks that can run both, I agree the tracker will be the more valuable inclusion.
Apr 14, 2016A fair point, but the larger point is how to keep the cards flowing as the game goes on, and Clues are just a tool in that regard. When building a deck, it's important to utilize the tools you have, but also to use the correct tools.Posted in: Articles
The Tariel deck was continued from last month's article, where we discussed land ramp, in an effort to show the ongoing development of a deck concept. In this case, when adding the draw package, I looked at what tools would best fit the deck's strategy. Of several things in the deck, the Bygone Bishop fits with the reanimation strategy, having synergy with return-to-hand cards like Oversold Cemetery. Obviously the list is not finalized, and he may possibly be cut further in development if we don't have a lot of low drops... or more cards may be added to have synergy with him, like Phyrexian Reclamation. That pairing has shown itself to be quite potent in my Karador deck list.
Overall, I have had excellent success with Clues in my Commander decks, and if you're looking for additional examples, then my Karador deck list would be a good place to start. It utilizes Bygone Bishop, Ulvenwald Mysteries, and Tireless Tracker to great results, and the Clues have increased synergy with Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest.
Likewise, another deck that has loved the inclusion of clues has been my Trostani Primer which uses both Ulvenwald Mysteries and Tireless Tracker as well, and the Clues have extra synergy with the token doubling enchantments, and with Rings of Brighthearth.
I also run Clues in my Kurkesh decklist, in the form of Tamiyo's Journal and Magnifying Glass, but that list is built more to be silly. Copying the Magnifying Glass' ability with Kurkesh, and then copying the Clues' abilities, which amusing, isn't the greatest return on card draw, clocking in at 4 cards for 12 mana (which isn't bad, just not great).
I hope that helps you out a bit more on how these tools can be used! I'm still looking through my decks for improvements, and I know that my Nemata deck will be picking up Tireless Tracker at the least, and that my Tibor and Lumia deck will be picking up Trail of Evidence. Whether I make additional changes to further support these cards remains to be seen.
Mar 8, 2016Thanks for your thoughts! I'd like to respond with my thoughts and reasoning to a few of your points, and hopefully explain a bit more where these points came from, so I'll break them out below.Posted in: Articles
General: Keep in mind that my writing is distilled from my own play experiences and philosophies. You can look at any of the decks I've built and see that I actually use a number of principles that I outline here. Most of my decks do run the expensive dual lands/shocks/fetches as I have been playing for a long time, but even so all of my decks tends to remain relatively high in basic land counts, compared to other lists I have seen online. Of my recent decks, even my 3 color decks tend to keep about 13-16 basic lands in each, and I have built several 3 color and even a 5 color deck with basics only, for various reasons, including: budget, high non-basic hate, and because I could.
Fixing lands (and vivid lands): I'm probably fairly unique in being unimpressed with vivid lands. I see them in a number of lists, but I've never found their benefit to outweigh coming into play tapped. My experiences in watching other people play them mirrors this, as I often see the counters go unused throughout a game, meaning that this is one more land providing little benefit, but that you can't thin out of your deck. I do believe that various fixing lands have great intrinsic value to lists, especially when starting out on a budget, but I tend to more highly value basic fetch lands, and various filter and other multi colored lands more highly. Even storage lands I place higher on the list, since they can act as a filter land the turn they come in, can still gain and benefit on off color mana by the turn after (when an etb tapped land would come online), provide an outlet for stockpiling extra mana, and can assist in big plays or surprise tricks in the future. I still believe that land search/fetch effects, such as given from Burnished Hart, is some of the best 'fixing' that you can get in general level Commander games, and that any fixing lands you run should be to complement that - not be the first line of fixing. That is my philosophy based off of my own experiences, however, and other people may align differently.
Thinning: Thinning from land ramp spells is a very large benefit to land ramp, and is likely one of the reasons I favor it so highly. I may not have emphasized this point as much in the article, which is my own fault. Since the benefits of thinning a deck are more widely known, I wanted to focus a bit on the tradeoff, and what the benefits on the other side of the equation were.
Mana rock cost: You raise a good point about their immediate value in the late game. Colorless mana rocks are indeed the cheapest ramp available, since they enter untapped, but on turn 2 that doesn't matter as much, though this often means they can be worked into future turns more easily than traditional land ramp. For a colored source of mana, it's typically a 3 cost for a mana rock that produces colored mana untapped, or 2 mana for one that enters tapped (which is way signets are above par for their cost). This generally makes them on par with Rampant Growth, but with added flexibility, and often with other benefits. There are, however, a whole host of artifacts that break these general values, and provide greater value than their cost, or provide additional effects that greatly increase their value to a deck.
Mar 8, 2016I'm glad you liked it, and I'm glad it made you think! It's a slight advantage to the mana rocks that's not often considered, which can make a difference in the goals of some decks.Posted in: Articles
I still lean towards a heavier land ramp set up for most of my decks, but that's primarily due to being in sweeper heavy and slower meta, where the mana rocks become collateral damage very easily. Even so, it's important to consider the goal of the deck you're building, and what tools will best serve that end result; also consider what other cards would benefit from shared synergy. In the past I've included a higher number of artifact mana when I've had other cards that could interact with them, such as Goblin Welder, Vedalken Archmage, or Trading Post, where the artifacts can be more easily recurred or used as an alternate resource as well.
Likewise, decks that have required an exceptionally high amount of mana, but compensated with a high amount of draw found that playing lands on turn, and bolstering with quick mana rocks, provided the early game boost needed, and the late game stability.
Feb 4, 2016bobthefunny posted a message on Word of Command #10 - Swearing an Oath of the Ban ListPosted in: ArticlesQuote from lastdaysgunslinger »Wait so now we cant play celestial dawn and use other lands as colorless? What the heck BS is this.
Celestial says it right on card " others produce COLORLESS" .
So basically wotc has F'ed up the soup and now we have to eat it.
Celestial Dawn makes all of your lands plains. If you have some other way of making them produce a different color (perhaps because of a chromatic lantern) then that ability will indeed produce colorless, as stated on the card.
The card itself has not changed, what has changed was the rule in Commander that would cause mana generated outside of your color identity to become colorless. This was used to lock players out of the game by donating a celestial dawn to a player with a non-white color identity. With the removal of the rule, that interaction no longer exists, and that player would be able to tap their plains for W.
Likewise, this rule in theory could have been used to allow Darksteel Ingot to produce colorless if your Commander was not 5 color, as you could attempt to tap for an offcolor, and have it changed into colorless. This would have made it considerably easier to use colorless matters effects in Commander than was perhaps intended.
Nov 20, 2015Phasing in/out isn't a Zone change though, so you can't send the Commander to command zone on phasing. It's simply a status change.Posted in: Articles
And there are many reasons why phasing can never be made a zone change.
Apr 24, 2015If an object phases out, any objects attached to it phase out with it, indirectly. When it's time for things to phase back, anything that phased out indirectly phases in with the object it phased out with.Posted in: Articles
So, if you phase out a creature with an aura, the aura phases out with it, and when the creature phases back in, the aura with it.
Tokens do not phase back in though. Thus, if you have equipment on a token - Batterskull perhaps - and you phase out the token, the batterskull will never return, since it can't phase back in with the token.
So - now the complicated part - turn the general into a non-creature (Soul Sculptor), then turn it into an artifact (Liquimetal Coating), make that non-creature artifact into an equipment (Bludgeon Brawl), attach it onto a token (Magnetic theft), and phase out the token (Reality Ripple). The Commander is now phased out, and can't phase back in since it phased out indirectly.
There are other cards that can do most of those things, but Bludgeon Brawl and Soul Sculptor are fairly unique. (the best is to make a token copy of Vulshok Battlemaster, since then it'll steal all the lands and stuff too. Even without the token copy, if you have Teferi's Veil, you can make it so their lands only ever phase in on your turn**).
Technically, they can use Time and Tide to phase it back in... but that's a corner case on a corner case. And no one would ever run that. Also, it's slightly confusing and debatable.*
The rule in question is this:
702.25f When a permanent phases out, any Auras, Equipment, or Fortifications attached to that permanent phase out at the same time. This alternate way of phasing out is known as phasing out “indirectly.” An Aura, Equipment, or Fortification that phased out indirectly won’t phase in by itself, but instead phases in along with the permanent it’s attached to.
702.25k Phased-out tokens cease to exist as a state-based action. See rule 704.5d.
* I've never gotten an answer if Soul Sculptor's ability can wear off while the Commander is phased out, because it's technically not a creature until that effect does wear off - It's clear that the temporary effect can end while phased out, but what I don't know is if it regains its types immediately, or when it phases back in.
This rule is a bit unclear on that:
702.25e Continuous effects that affect a phased-out permanent may expire while that permanent is phased out. If so, they will no longer affect that permanent once it’s phased in. In particular, effects with “for as long as” durations that track that permanent (see rule 611.2b) end when that permanent phases out because they can no longer see it.
The line I bolded would indicate that while the soul sculptor's ability would end while phased out if someone were to play a creature spell, that the ability would only cease to affect the Commander only when it phased back in (which we already decided won't happen). Because of that, technically Time and Tide might not be able to return it (Because it won't be a creature).
** I have never gotten an answer whether indirectly phased out lands can untap when they are phased out. This usually isn't a problem since things phase in on the untap step, but since these lands are now phasing in on YOUR untap step, they are phased out when they would normally untap.
The rules of the untap step make it clear that things have to phase in before you determine what untaps, and that you have to choose things to untap, and that things that are phased out "don't exist" (thus can't be chosen?) - so it would seem that phased out things don't untap, but it's a bit unclear.
502.1. First, all phased-in permanents with phasing that the active player controls phase out, and all phased-out permanents that the active player controlled when they phased out phase in. This all happens simultaneously. This turn-based action doesn’t use the stack. See rule 702.25, “Phasing.”
502.2. Second, the active player determines which permanents he or she controls will untap. Then he or she untaps them all simultaneously. This turn-based action doesn’t use the stack. Normally, all of a player’s permanents untap, but effects can keep one or more of a player’s permanents from untapping.
702.25b If a permanent phases out, its status changes to “phased out.” Except for rules and effects that specifically mention phased-out permanents, a phased-out permanent is treated as though it does not exist. It can’t affect or be affected by anything else in the game.
Apr 23, 2015Posted in: ArticlesQuote from Jemolk »One card I haven't seen mentioned (not entirely sure how much it's played, but I play it in every deck I can) is Rakdos Charm. It's basically never dead, it's multipurpose removal: it can remove an artifact, or an entire graveyard, or it can remove that player who just went infinite with squirrels. I originally started running it as a way to deal with infinite combos by killing people who use them, but it has been fantastic as an instant-speed, whole-graveyard exile effect for 2 mana. That, and removing swords, greaves and memorials.
It doesn't fit into any of the categories here, but I felt that it was worth mentioning.
Versatility is always a definite plus. I focused mainly on mono-color options to highlight the specifics what what each color has access to, but you are 100% right that Rakdos charm is excellent in each of those regards. It's also cheap to cast and takes the opponent entirely by surprise to boot!
Mar 28, 2015As ISB said, Stonecloaker is Graveyard spot removal. At 3 mana per iteration you don't really want to be attempting to keep everyone's yards clear, but it's useful to foil that Chainer activation or Glissa trigger. Having that surprise shot will definitely ruin someone's day, and then they have to take it into consideration for all of their future moves.Posted in: Articles
Since it can act as a save spell in a pinch as well really gives it that flexibility to react in a lot of situations. You're obviously going to need to keep mana open for it, so I really see it shine in control decks, such as Bant Blink, or a white deck that feeds mana into token producers, such as Heliod - where I've used it to save my Sun Titan in a pinch.
Rest in Peace has been highly successful in my Heliod deck. While it turns off my own Emeria and Sun Titan, my own recursion is more 'incidental.' If I'm casting it, it's because it's making someone else's day a lot worse than mine.
Mar 18, 2015Ouch, a good catch Elemental; that does indeed lower his value tremendously. Sadly even Animar and Mayael will not even look his way now.Posted in: Articles
Mar 18, 2015I was trying to highlight some of the lesser used options this go around. I did at least mention the other ubiquitous choices, so I guess it's a bit out of place that I didn't discuss the Ooze, who is pretty much green's version of Withered Wretch, with plenty of upside.Posted in: Articles
Feb 12, 2015My goodness, How I am embarrassed!Posted in: Articles
Thank you so much for catching these!
For Dromoka, it's true that if a creature has +1 counters it will affect where it can be chosen in the line up of triggers to get counters, if the difference in counters is only 1, it will still get the counters, but will be the last one to do so. If it's 2, then on the last trigger you can choose any creature, etc. It was just a bit complicated of a corner case to go into.
About Dark Deal, I agree that Shattered Perception fits the similarities as well. I feel Perception itself is also a semi-mashup of Wheel and Winds, in that it affects everyone, but everyone is limited based on their own amount (the way winds does). Wheel and Winds were simply the ones that more immediately popped into my mind, also due to their larger prevalence in Commander games.
About Outpost Siege you raise another good point. Most similar effects (at usually higher strength) tend to be dies effects, so this enchantment certainly plays nicer with other forms of flickering, including even Rush as a mechanic. At the same mana cost though you can pick up Purphoros though, who again has much higher strength for that style of play, but switching sides again, any form of redundancy or consistency can only help your game plan. I still feel that the option this card (and the other sieges) opens though, is the capability to give you options for both ongoing development, or to help close out a game.
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