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  • posted a message on Oko, Thief of Crowns
    Am I reading this right? The +1 is usually just Beast Within. That's pretty ridiculous for UG, the color combo that is the utter worst at removal.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    I think the point is that when the new player sits down for the first time and gets steamrolled, they're going to be unpleasantly surprised to find how exorbitant the costs can be to upgrade their deck (Cyclonic Rift is how much?!). Filling these commander products with needed reprints helps everyone trying to cultivate an EDH collection do so w/o having to apply for a line of credit. For example:

    Seedborn Muse is a format staple that makes virtually every deck containing green better by its inclusion. Not long ago it was a $30 card. That's a LOT of money for a card that isn't played in any sort of competitive environment. This new reprint is preselling for under $10 and it's only going to go down.

    The new player needs as many of these reprints as they can get. They don't need, nor do they want, 15 cent cards like Pristine Skywise when they're dolling out $40.
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    Quote from Buffsam89 »
    Quote from Carthage »
    Quote from Shadow345 »
    I'll probably receive a lot of hate for this, but I had a look over some of the decklists for the Commander product as far back as the original. I'll say it the overall value doesn't seem that different.

    The only real outliers are the Atraxa deck and the vampire deck with Teferi's Protection.

    And the prices on those are like all high Magic prices, based on hindsight.


    The originals were very high value, one came with flusterstorm, mimeoplasm was loaded with value, kaalia is super expensive etc

    Cyclonic rift is a 20$ card and came in the teferi deck, teferi is also a 30$ card.

    The only set of commander decks I kind of regret purchasing is the most recent one, and this set is not looking much better.


    Well, you listed Commander Originals, so, kind of not on topic here. Obviously there is value in the new cards, they’re new.
    You're right that the list he gave was of original cards but the first (and best) Commander product also contained a LOT of staples. New players are getting hustled by paying $40 for a box of Jank. When I started the product only cost $30 apiece and I got the following reprints and a whole lot more:

    Aura Shards
    Grave Pact
    Oblivion Stone
    Austere Command
    Insurrection
    Lightning Greaves
    Solemn Simulacrum
    Skullclamp
    Scavenging Ooze
    Eternal Witness
    Signets

    The list literally keeps going on and on...
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    Quote from SonofaBith75 »
    Quote from schindar »
    Quote from Arwen_Spence »
    Seriously, there are times I don't know what would happen if Magic players were given nothing to whine about. Magic is releasing ludicrous amount of products in a year. Don't like these? Wait a few months and see what the Brawl decks look like and if there's anything you want out of those. At this point, when there's a product I don't really want I'm almost grateful because it means it's one less thing I have to worry about where my Magic budget is concerned.


    The level of entitlement from some folks is outrageous.
    Seriously, I don't know what would happen if there weren't people looking to whine about other people whining.


    The level of entitlement from some folks is outrageous.


    Gavin Verhey HIMSELF admitted last years decks were underwhelming in terms of reprints, so if a Wizards employee ADMITS a mediocre product, why can’t you? You confuse “entitlement” with REASONABLE expectations to not receive yet another mediocre product. Gavin Verhey himself also acknowledged the players complaints were heard and indicated that would be remedied this year, and so far, we’ve not seen ANY evidence of this, although there’s still quite a bit to reveal.

    There are plenty of midprice staples that could use more printings. NO ONE IS ASKING FOR, OR EXPECTING $25 or $30 singles. There are however tons of staples in the $7-$12 range that people would love to see.
    Path to Exile
    Lightning Greaves
    Mystical Tutor
    Skullclamp
    Solemn Simulacrum
    Phyrexian Arena
    Chromatic Lantern
    Shattering Spree
    Propaganda
    Aura Shards
    Though Vessel
    Expedition Map
    Sword of the Animist
    All the Battlebond dual lands.
    The Medallion cycle.

    And in the $20ish range:
    Cyclonic Rift
    Mirari’s Wake
    Strip Mine
    Rhystic Study

    You say people are entitled. I say, have higher standards and stop settling.
    I think you're barking at the wrong guy. I agree with you 100%. These ancillary products should be used to lower the price of overpriced staples of the format. The guy I was responding to was the one crying about people's negative reactions.
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  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    Quote from Arwen_Spence »
    Seriously, there are times I don't know what would happen if Magic players were given nothing to whine about. Magic is releasing ludicrous amount of products in a year. Don't like these? Wait a few months and see what the Brawl decks look like and if there's anything you want out of those. At this point, when there's a product I don't really want I'm almost grateful because it means it's one less thing I have to worry about where my Magic budget is concerned.


    The level of entitlement from some folks is outrageous.
    Seriously, I don't know what would happen if there weren't people looking to whine about other people whining.

    The level of entitlement from some folks is outrageous.
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on [c19] commdering prodcast preview - wall of stolen idenity and pramikon sky rampart
    Wall tribal never crossed my mind. That legendary wall is going straight into my Zedruu deck.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [c19] K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth
    Quote from Manite »
    A 7-mana 2/2 that can be cast for 4
    Exactly. Not to mention the additional 6 life you need to pay in order to get your 4 mana 2/2. Too slow for combo decks and too expensive for fair decks.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Lightning Stormkin - Eurogamer.de
    Quote from fluxje »
    Quote from RewM8 »

    the most disgusting example of power creep


    Chillax man. Lightning Stormkin is nothing more than a decent limited card. I keep hearing people screaming from the rooftops about "power creep" with this set. Couldn't be further from the truth. If you want to see power creep, take a look at M11. Lightning Bolt, Preordain, Birds of Paradise, Baneslayer Angel and the Titans are all more powerful than ANYTHING in M20.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Gorging Vulture (Strictly Better mtg preview)
    Why oh why couldn't you be a zombie??? I've been dreaming of this exact card since Crow of Dark Tidings was printed.
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  • posted a message on Mothership Spoilers 6/24 - "Cares About" Cycle, Planeswalker Deck Cards
    Quote from Melkor »
    Why is the white one not Squadron Hawk? Print this laughably worse card when they could have just tossed that in, synergized with the flying deck they put in here
    Squadron Hawk was incredibly good back in the days where power creep was ACTUALLY a thing. M20 is not M11. After all the jank that's been printed in the last 10 years you should be used to getting "fixed" (read: crappy) versions of your favorite cards.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Colossus Hammer
    Biggest "trinket" I ever done did see.
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  • posted a message on "Resonating Summons" - HobbyJapan preview
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    Unbelievable this is insane


    I see your all failing to notice this is a instant speed version of half of tooth and nail
    The operative word in your statement is "half".

    Tooth and Nail is an absolute house that does work in cube. This is a bulk rare that won't see play outside the kitchen table. There's not a lot of scenarios where I want to leave up 5 mana in green to grab two sorcery speed cards that I can't even play. I'd much rather find a spaghetti monster and something to give it haste and finish the game on the spot.
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  • posted a message on "Brazen Thief" (WinCondition spoiler- Russian)
    Dark Confidant is easily the best black creature ever printed. In no way, shape or form does Brazen Thief resemble Bob.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Mothership Spoilers 6/21 - Murder, Tomebound Lich, Cloudkin Seer, Common Lands
    Loving Murder at common. I was so tired of this effect being 5-6 mana. Not sure if I like Tomebound Lich more or less thanShadowmage infiltrator. It's a good problem to have.
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  • posted a message on "Brazen Thief" (WinCondition spoiler- Russian)
    I'm glad to see the power level of commons creeping slightly closer to that of the ZEN/SOM days. I still don't think this is THAT pushed though. A 3 mana 2/2 does not pass the vanilla test. I'm not convinced I'd pick it over Phyrexian Rager. Personally I think the floor is more important than the ceiling.
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