i heard about the list and now that i see it i think it was more a fluke / great matchups then the power of a deck.
if you know you're playing against this deck you only need to take out husk and or rogue. lili and the walker are annoying but certainly not strong enough on their own. the rest of the deck is C+ B-
Yeah, the point of playing the deck was it's good against the main 3 decks, multiple people did well with it in the PRO TOUR. Do you understand that a at all? That's not really a fluke probably.
This is my current list, trying to figure out how to fit a phoenix in, and I really like seeker of the way too, just not sure what to switch up, what do yall think?
Just keep going to events at the same shop and don't be "that guy*"
1. Don't complain after matches
2. Don't rip people off in trades
3. Take a shower
4. Ask people after matches who are better than you what to do differently
I can absolutely see this as properly replacing JAoT in forthcoming U/W/x control builds. His +1, while no mini Fact or Fiction, produces card advantage while protecting himself- the exact opposite of JAoT. Considering that I almost never +1 JAoT out out of the gate anymore, I welcome a Jace that protects himself better then the last one by having a loyalty of 5, a +1 that 90% of the time you'll prefer to use upon resolution, and -3 that bounces while still leaving him at a sturdy enough loyalty.
His +1 provides no CA at all (other wise it'd actually be okay). You "scry 1.5", but don't draw.
I'm always amazed how people can never truly evaluate planewalkers, each time they preview one, all of you think it's bad (see Lili from Innistrad, Jace from RTR.. etc etc) then some months later it's a staple card.
Mark my words, this Jace is amazing and will see play.. i just... i cannot understand how someone would say this is bad ... he cost 4, has a ton of loyalty, fixes your draw and bounces permanents. What more do you want ?... honestly to all the haters, you are bad at evaluating cards.
It's truly a staple of this forum.
I'm sure I've made some bad judgements in the past, but look at this card and seriously tell me it's as bad as Tibalt? Really? Give me a god damn break and get out of here with that garbage talk.
It is being compared to the slot it is going to have to compete against in an upcoming Standard format, where UG is a very REAL color combination. This guy is an enabler for tricks that simply do not yet exist, which in current context makes him unplayable. Starting with 5 Loyalty and ticking up for +1 each turn is really only relevant in the event the game is slow enough to support it without showing diminishing returns on his activation, which adds up quickly when he cannot tick up to recover from an attack nor replace himself with a card - and tops it all off with having to throw things into your own GY from the top of your deck, which is worse than a real scry trigger.
Unless some crazy tricks find themselves in Standard which can play well with his +1, this guy is terrible and you cannot judge a card in context of what the format may or may not have printed to support it.
These are utterly terrible lands. Such terrible design among such a beautiful set. These lands have sent this set from my top set down, way down.
Your post about Scrylands.
Just pointing out that you are utterly terrible at gauging how good Magic cards are. Nice post though.
You are aware that a good portion of the professional magic community vastly underestimated the power of Scry lands as well right? A big reason why the scry lands are so good is also the existence of Thoughtseize in the format, where the best way to combat it is with your land by simply being able to keep the right answer on top of your deck instead of your hand.
You clearly have very little understanding of how pieces fit together and how to gauge things based on context and when it is or is not important or even when it is or is not existent.
I am glad you think you are above everyone else, but it is laughable that you think Kiora and Jace are on completely different spectrum when we have data suggesting that this card is not only a very bad enable for a strategy that does not exist, and a look at what to expect with rotation and format projection.
Get off your high horse.
So you base your opinions off what professional players say? I'm just pointing out that YOU, I'm specifically talking about YOU, are not good at gauging the quality of a Magic card, so why would anyone listen to your terrible post?
You have 0 idea of what the format will be like when the set hits, new archetypes could easily be available.
It's just hilarious how you want to write the card off as terrible and unplayable when you have actually no clue what the **** you're talking about. Please, save it.
Lol, okay champ. Have fun rocking this Jace at your events.
You can lead a fool to wisdom, but you can't make him think.
I don't play blue cards, but I can say with 100% certainty this will see play.
Comparing two cards with completely different mana costs.
Stay free MTGsalvation.
I'm not saying this card is amazing, but it's standard playable. But comparing it to another card that is 100% different and has a completely different cost of mana, like really? You must be new.
It is being compared to the slot it is going to have to compete against in an upcoming Standard format, where UG is a very REAL color combination. This guy is an enabler for tricks that simply do not yet exist, which in current context makes him unplayable. Starting with 5 Loyalty and ticking up for +1 each turn is really only relevant in the event the game is slow enough to support it without showing diminishing returns on his activation, which adds up quickly when he cannot tick up to recover from an attack nor replace himself with a card - and tops it all off with having to throw things into your own GY from the top of your deck, which is worse than a real scry trigger.
Unless some crazy tricks find themselves in Standard which can play well with his +1, this guy is terrible and you cannot judge a card in context of what the format may or may not have printed to support it.
Comparing two cards with completely different mana costs.
Stay free MTGsalvation.
I'm not saying this card is amazing, but it's standard playable. But comparing it to another card that is 100% different and has a completely different cost of mana, like really? You must be new.
It is being compared to the slot it is going to have to compete against in an upcoming Standard format, where UG is a very REAL color combination. This guy is an enabler for tricks that simply do not yet exist, which in current context makes him unplayable. Starting with 5 Loyalty and ticking up for +1 each turn is really only relevant in the event the game is slow enough to support it without showing diminishing returns on his activation, which adds up quickly when he cannot tick up to recover from an attack nor replace himself with a card - and tops it all off with having to throw things into your own GY from the top of your deck, which is worse than a real scry trigger.
Unless some crazy tricks find themselves in Standard which can play well with his +1, this guy is terrible and you cannot judge a card in context of what the format may or may not have printed to support it.
These are utterly terrible lands. Such terrible design among such a beautiful set. These lands have sent this set from my top set down, way down.
Your post about Scrylands.
Just pointing out that you are utterly terrible at gauging how good Magic cards are. Nice post though.
You are aware that a good portion of the professional magic community vastly underestimated the power of Scry lands as well right? A big reason why the scry lands are so good is also the existence of Thoughtseize in the format, where the best way to combat it is with your land by simply being able to keep the right answer on top of your deck instead of your hand.
You clearly have very little understanding of how pieces fit together and how to gauge things based on context and when it is or is not important or even when it is or is not existent.
I am glad you think you are above everyone else, but it is laughable that you think Kiora and Jace are on completely different spectrum when we have data suggesting that this card is not only a very bad enable for a strategy that does not exist, and a look at what to expect with rotation and format projection.
Get off your high horse.
So you base your opinions off what professional players say? I'm just pointing out that YOU, I'm specifically talking about YOU, are not good at gauging the quality of a Magic card, so why would anyone listen to your terrible post?
You have 0 idea of what the format will be like when the set hits, new archetypes could easily be available.
It's just hilarious how you want to write the card off as terrible and unplayable when you have actually no clue what the **** you're talking about. Please, save it.
Comparing two cards with completely different mana costs.
Stay free MTGsalvation.
I'm not saying this card is amazing, but it's standard playable. But comparing it to another card that is 100% different and has a completely different cost of mana, like really? You must be new.
It is being compared to the slot it is going to have to compete against in an upcoming Standard format, where UG is a very REAL color combination. This guy is an enabler for tricks that simply do not yet exist, which in current context makes him unplayable. Starting with 5 Loyalty and ticking up for +1 each turn is really only relevant in the event the game is slow enough to support it without showing diminishing returns on his activation, which adds up quickly when he cannot tick up to recover from an attack nor replace himself with a card - and tops it all off with having to throw things into your own GY from the top of your deck, which is worse than a real scry trigger.
Unless some crazy tricks find themselves in Standard which can play well with his +1, this guy is terrible and you cannot judge a card in context of what the format may or may not have printed to support it.
Comparing two cards with completely different mana costs.
Stay free MTGsalvation.
I'm not saying this card is amazing, but it's standard playable. But comparing it to another card that is 100% different and has a completely different cost of mana, like really? You must be new.
So 2UG is completely different then 2UU? I agree they are not the same but pretty damn close. Also, they are very similar cards.
2UG AND 2UU Are not even close to the same. How is this even a discussion?
I'm just saying, this card is fine and will be played. The posts in this thread are absolutely laughable.
Comparing two cards with completely different mana costs.
Stay free MTGsalvation.
I'm not saying this card is amazing, but it's standard playable. But comparing it to another card that is 100% different and has a completely different cost of mana, like really? You must be new.
Yeah, the point of playing the deck was it's good against the main 3 decks, multiple people did well with it in the PRO TOUR. Do you understand that a at all? That's not really a fluke probably.
4x Bloodstained Mire
4x Caves of Koilos
2x Mana Confluence
2x Mountain
4x Nomad Outpost
2x Swamp
2x Temple of Malice
2x Temple of Silence
1x Temple of Triumph
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4x Hero's Downfall
4x Lightning Strike
1x Murderous Cut
1x Despise
4x Thoughtseize
2x Brimaz, King of Oreskos
4x Butcher of the Horde
4x Goblin Rabblemaster
3x Stormbreath Dragon
2x Sorin, Solemn Visitor
They add more types of mana than a basic
Yes
1. Don't complain after matches
2. Don't rip people off in trades
3. Take a shower
4. Ask people after matches who are better than you what to do differently
It's really easy.
Has cool stuff on it.
So drawing a card isn't card advantage.
Got it, thanks man.
It's truly a staple of this forum.
I'm sure I've made some bad judgements in the past, but look at this card and seriously tell me it's as bad as Tibalt? Really? Give me a god damn break and get out of here with that garbage talk.
I don't play blue cards, but I can say with 100% certainty this will see play.
How about those scrylands though, Utter garbage!
100% serious post about a sheep magic card.
So you base your opinions off what professional players say? I'm just pointing out that YOU, I'm specifically talking about YOU, are not good at gauging the quality of a Magic card, so why would anyone listen to your terrible post?
You have 0 idea of what the format will be like when the set hits, new archetypes could easily be available.
It's just hilarious how you want to write the card off as terrible and unplayable when you have actually no clue what the **** you're talking about. Please, save it.
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Your post about Scrylands.
Just pointing out that you are utterly terrible at gauging how good Magic cards are. Nice post though.
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2UG AND 2UU Are not even close to the same. How is this even a discussion?
I'm just saying, this card is fine and will be played. The posts in this thread are absolutely laughable.
Comparing two cards with completely different mana costs.
Stay free MTGsalvation.
I'm not saying this card is amazing, but it's standard playable. But comparing it to another card that is 100% different and has a completely different cost of mana, like really? You must be new.