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Sirius_B posted a message on WPN Crackdown?Posted in: The Rumor MillQuote from BaronCappuccino »Magic has always had three spheres of challenge, for lack of a better way to phrase it. You've got to, first off, come up with a good deck. Then you've got to acquire the cards for it. Finally, you've got to get good at playing it. The internet certainly helps speed up step one. Acquiring the cards is supposed to be no small feat. You needn't necessarily spend money on cards outright - it is a collectible card game after all, and the intent was that folks would trade from their collections. Like most video games these days, you can progress by grinding your time away, or you can pay cash for a shortcut. Acquiring the best cards for one's deck, particularly, I imagine, if it's one you concocted yourself, is a good feeling. Once you've done that, you're finally ready to see how good you are at Magic. That's Magic, the Gathering, a game you play from cards you've gathered.
This thread in general gave me severe brain rot, but this post in particular was special.
So you go on and grind, and grind, and grind, because you're not a customer or a person, you're ******* farming equipment. Pretty 1984, not an evil or dystopic disposition to have for your consumer base at all, and of course it has to be excruciating or you don't "desserve" your cards according to some people in this thread. Anyway, you grind for years and then you have finally "earned" your vintage deck. Now you can play.
NO, YOU CAN'T! Because you're the only imbecile who wasted so much time doing something so stupid for so long and now all the people you could play with are banned from playing because they needed proxies to compete.
Most of you who play the dance and song of "entitled this entitled that" are speaking from a double dose of ignorance and egotism. Fist, you don't play the ******* format or are even trying to get into it, some of you actively want it dead because you're too petty and self-centered to believe someone else desserves to get any fun out of being a long-time player, because they're not doing things exactly how you do or how you like it so they must be right and stopped immediately. Pretty ****ed up in the head there.
Secondly, you keep opening your mouths and letting utter bull ***** fall of claiming that vintage players don't spend money on the game. Do you have any ******* idea how many boxes of Conspiracy had to be opened for just 10 vintage players to have their foil Dack Fayden? Oh but that can't be, your little microcosmovision cannot fathom that vintage players have spend a dime on magic since '94, you havent taken a ******* second to look at any decklist database and realize at least a third of every competitive vintage deck is composed of cards that saw their first printing in the modern border, or that at least half of the rest have more accessible or more desirable newer versions such as fist-time foils, no, that cannot be true because "vintage players don't buy cards :V"
Most proxi tournaments are 10 proxi, specifically so they can account for the power 9 and one other ridiculously hard to get piece like Imperial Seal, no one was coming for your *****ty Gideons and flip Jaces that cost you so much to get and have you so proud of your "economic standing" and how you desserve to win more than filthy poor people.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if getting a playset of foil Young Pyromancer or Gitaxian Probe for two vintage players sold more boosters than outfitting a whole T2 PTQ's worth of tier 1 decks. But sure, eternal players don't make WotC any money.
This is getting increasingly ridiculous, the company seems to be now run by mental bureaucrats who erred their way to Marvel where the IPs and character are actual cultural icons and not just ***** meant to dress up A TOY, and I'm starting to wonder if there is any legal recouse against WotC for making it increasingly difficult to play their stupid game after promoting an "investment" that rivals real estate. Specially having in mind that effective Dec 2015 their last word about proxi vintage was PROMOTING it and telling you to ask your LGS or TO about it. In the meanwhile:
I support players or a company unrelated to WotC creating an alternative competitive ranking system and tournament scene. There cannot be any semblance of seriousness so long as we depend on a company that bans you for ***** you did 10 years ago or for belonging to a facebook group wether you participate or not.
I support the death of the Resserved List and the mass printing of paper Vintage Masters. I own moxen, I don't care. White bordered power stands to lose more value if vintage stops being a sanctioned format than by being reprinted by the millions. AB power won't lose at all either way.
I support the banning of all Resserved List cards in Legacy and Commander. If they don't have half the ball to ask the most litigious toy company to pull them off from a non-binding promise they made to idiotic manchildren 18 years ago, WotC shoud at least bite the ******* bullet and cut the dead weight from these formats. Only 28 cards in the RL are played in Legacy, 10 are the Dual Lands, 12 are sideboard tech or only seen in rogue decks. Storm and Lands can survive without LED and Tabernacle.
If neither of these were to happen, I support chinese counterfeits. WotC doesn't give a ***** if I get to play the stupidly expensive cards I bought for them? I don't give a ***** if their precious secondary market business partners and collectors get ****ed out of selling their hoarded power nine.
As a last word. Having such an emotional investment in your adquisitive power that you wish harm on other people for asking to be able to play a game (in a non-sanctioned competitive setting, while supporting their LGS) can't not be a mental illness, and a bunch of people in this thread really need to get checked. -
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HunterEste posted a message on WPN Crackdown?Posted in: The Rumor MillQuote from Hipster Mike »WOTC is a business. Magic is not a charity cause.
Did you know it's entirely possible to run a highly profitable business without alienating customer bases?
Also allowing proxies to encourage continued participation and keeping eternal formats healthy is not the same thing as charity. -
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Sirius_B posted a message on [OGW] Huge Batch of Spoilers Including Basically All Oath Expeditions, SOI Duel DecksPosted in: The Rumor MillQuote from Canadian Guy of Wrath »You think Eternal formats being expensive to get into are a problem because you fail to appreciate the hard work, time and money people put into making decks for those formats: I doubt someone who has put thousands of dollars towards a Legacy deck would be thrilled to hear that a bunch of his cards halved in value because the netdeckers on MTGS asked WotC to make it so.
And this is the crux of the issue: the player who has put in all that time, work and money into actually building the deck matters more to everyone than those who complain they can't do it.
Cards aren't expensive because they're good. Cards are expensive because you can buy all the Gaddock Teegs from your home and count on "price memory" and WotC's subservience to the secondary market to save you from the scary wrongbad stuff about real investments such as market corrections, excess supply-low demand, and being a **** up loser. They're not only making playing the game require less brainpower, they're making sure the "investors" don't need to have any grey matter either.
Most of the game's value is entirely artificial and even that which isn't doesn't have to be so high. The game doesn't need to be this expensive, and the shrinking of tournament attendance thanks to $600 standard decks is proof enough.
I had playsets of shocklands since RAV. Didn't give a ***** they devalued because of RTR.
I had playsets of fetchlands since ONS. Didn't give a ***** they devalued because of KTK.
Didn't give a ***** my Bitterblossoms devalued with the ban, then appreciated with the unban, then devalued with the reprint.
Didn't give a ***** my Affinity deck's value is on a rollercoaster since MM13. Didn't give a ***** people could buy Thoughtseize for $15 when I bought mine at $40. Don't give a ***** people can get playsets of Bob for half what I paid for mine. And most certainly wouldn't give a ***** if my duals devalued too.
Because I'm not an idiot.
When I want to buy something that will appreciate, what grown-ups call an investment, I attend a real estate agency, auction house, US Mint or Wall Street. Not Wal Mart.
You bark that "entitled this, entitled that" song a lot. You (and here I speak to all dealers, collectors and stores) are not entitled to the "value" of industrially produced pieces of paper that are neither fiat money or backed by real values to hold their current market price.
Magic's value comes from being a game. And what I do give a ***** about is the declining numbers of long-term players and LGS attendance. Because the only way all this cardboard stops being valuable and starts being just a bunch of cardboard, is if people don't have the chance to play it both at it's casual and competitive levels.
The only reasons for someone to be such an apologist is because of being re-seller or having emotional issues numbed by owning expensive *****. Notthing else makes sense. It's not like constantly antagonizing all critique will give you good-boy points with WotC. - To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
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You can be pleased with something, but look at it from outside your own emotions and look at it for what it is. This set is good, but many are a bit hype drunk on this, because this is the first Masters set in 4 years that is decent. All in all this set is okay, nothing amazing but nothing terrible, and that's all the community truly wanted after the last two Masters sets.
In what way does "okay" sound like disliking something?
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The set is without a doubt better than MM2, not that was going to be difficult, and EMA, easily. Looking back at MM1 and going over the set and seeing how MM3 stacks up, I must say that MM3 isn't as close as I thought, but MM3 isn't too far from how good MM1 was. Every rarity has a bit more to offer in MM1, albeit not too much more but enough to notice, along with cheaper packs and more boosters per box, although MM1 will certainly have a smaller print run, regardless of the 5x print run that's rumored.
The article going on about what cards are "worth it", value wise, really shows that there isn't as much as many people were being hyped for the last week and you do really notice what wasn't included that could have helped the archtypes or just needed for the game as a whole. Uncommons especially could have been better in this regard, but what we have in this set isn't terrible and shows much improvement over the last two Masters sets, and that's not to mention the rares which improved greatly over MM2 and better than EMA. Mythics took a decent hit and they could have done a bit better here, of course mythics took a hit to allow other rarities more, but something like Past in Flames could have been something far better. Common is about the same between the two sets.
The article mentions that the EV of a box is practically $220, and seeing how stores, sites, and Ebay have bumped up their prices, not to mention cancelling orders in some cases, to make up for the insane 4 days of previews we got only shows that they overshot their estimates. My LGS's (both owned by the same guy) are selling them for $250 if you didn't preorder, but are keeping to their $190 preorder boxes (damn my boss for owing me $400 so I couldn't get a box). From what I am seeing most boxes are going for $240-$260, with some slightly below or above, it looks like most people should really be trying their best to only buy a box for about $200. With card values dropping more and more over the next month, or maybe more, buying one for $250 just doesn't seem worth it right now, unless you love to draft with them or like cracking packs.
Again I will say that it is great that Wizards has listened to the community and the criticisms and complaints from the two most recent Masters sets. Is this a turning point for Wizards to bring us better products or is this a minor fluke? Will we see better Duel Decks and other products? Will the Standard pendulum swing back and even out? This gives a ray of hope that we're seeing a better Wizards coming forward, and I hope they improve, even a little, so we can all enjoy the game even more and this game continues to thrive for years to come.
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Well I was right that most of the set wouldn't be too interesting, but at least there is less than previous Masters sets. There are plenty of cards though that probably could have been replaced with better counterparts or just other cards. I am a little disappointed by the absence of some cards, like Crucible of Worlds, Simian Spirit Guide, Noble Hierarch, Voidslime, and others like those. The set does seem to have less of a focus on archtypes, compared to MM2 which went incredibly hard in that department, which allows for more cards of value or just interesting ones to show up. There is plenty of value of some sort at all rarities, although I expected another 5-10 personally from various cards for Modern, EDH, and kitchen table.
I think the lamest section of cards has to be artifacts, it's primarily Signets and 3 other artifacts. That's certainly a shame as you'd expect with a focus on multicolor they have going they would want a few cards that any deck could play. I'm not saying they had to be Sword level of playable, but Memnite or something wouldn't have been too much to ask.
Compared to the other Modern Masters sets this is definitely better than MM2, although I'm not quite sure how I would rank it with MM1, slightly worse, but not by much? Maybe about the same? Compared to all Masters sets it is better than MM2 and EMA, that's for sure with it being a close 2nd to MM1 if not tied for 1st with it.
All in all MM3 definitely made a huge dent in a lot of the cards in Modern, and if the print run is as big as to be expected then it will absolutely be more than just a dent for many of the cards here. We have value at all rarity levels, archtypes aren't being focused on so much that we get completely terrible cards even if there is some chaff still here, but far less of it, Modern is going to get a lot cheaper for many, and this showed that WotC is listening to the communities criticisms and complaints about the Masters line, at the very least. I would certainly call this a good product, although not perfect, thanks to the still odd choice of $10 packs and 24 pack boxes. These should definitely be $7 and 36 pack boxes, but that's an improvement for another time, I'm just glad they put more effort into this set than the last two Masters sets.
I can only hope that Wizards continues with this improvement so we see it in other products and areas of the game. With the pendulum swinging back a bit and this set improving perhaps we may be seeing a small turning point in the companies thinking and us enjoying the game even more so.
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First, I don't think you quite know what hypocrite means because nothing said so far has been that.
Second, that strawman argument of Black Lotus and power 9 is so old and tired that it's collecting social security.
Third, complaining is exactly what people do at all times, hell you're complaining about others "complaining". In fact mine were not really a complaint but honest criticism about someones argument, having a CONVERSATION in which we have differing opinions, but I guess we can't have them anymore with folks like you thinking that all people do is complain (although that's what people do in general so that's no surprise).
Fourth, if Wizards needs to "preserve value of the set so this doesn't ruin LGS's margins" then why make this set this good (I say begrudgingly at the moment)? This set is destroying value left and right on plenty of cards, so why then is Cavern being mythic necessary to help the LGS's of the world? If they didn't want LGS's to lose money they wouldn't have made the Masters sets a regular thing, or in the case of EMA put out more boxes for no reason and destroy prices even further.
Your arguments are about as structurally sound as a house of cards.
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It's close right now, but we were all mostly pumped with MM2 and EMA until the entire spoiler showed. This one is looking good, but best to keep expectations low, just in case.
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I ******* knew it.
This is so unsurprising that I am filled with glee, although it's still stupid it's mythic, but I'm glad I'm right, because that's all that matters. First real disappointment of the set so far and we're only 1/7th through it. I do have to wonder what their reasoning was for this though.
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One of their articles today confirmed that white/blue is a blink strategy.
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I also noticed the article that spoiled the fetches officially call the BFZ duals "Battle lands" so I guess that's taken care of.
They are not strong for Standard, back during Onslaught and Zendikar the fetches did nothing more than thin your deck, it's when fetches are with lands with multiple land types is when fetches become too strong.