EDIT: Oh, and now mention of Witch's Clinic yet? I mean, it's not a total staple, decks with non-combat utility commanders would likely rather have a colored-mana-producing land, but for anything with a beefier commander that wades into battle, this is a pretty good choice. Especially if you have a bunch of "lifegain matters" cards.
The Clinic can also potentially be a politics kind of card since you can do it to other player's commanders. It depends on the deck that wants it really.
I've bought almost every Secret Lair and I did not get sent this survey.
However, since I generally just buy one of each, not having to pay shipping (like €7.5 each time, except for the bundles) is a really good motivation for getting a subscription. That alone probably saves €100 a year.
Except if it costs that much as a subscription you're not really saving anything. Then if all other incentive is that you get to buy even more all you're doing is spending more. If that's what you wish that's great for you, but I'll be over here only spending $5 on a playset of Lightning Bolt rather than $30 on it.
Just to add even more insult to injury (no pun intended) Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro has decided to print a Heroes of the Realm card called and I kid you not Keeper of the Secret Lair: http://mythicspoiler.com/mtg/cards/keeperofthesecretlair.html. It's a 2/1 Legendary Merfolk Rogue for 1U with Flash that says you may cast Secret Lair spells as though they had Flash and Secret Lair spells also cost 1 less to cast. If that isn't lazy and corporate I don't know what is. Mark Rosewater stated that cards from the Heroes of the Realm sets are simply meant to be read not played as there will only be 4 copies of these cards printed in existence worldwide.
So instead of "look at this crazy card" it's "good job everyone, we raised stocks 13.3% with the release of 9 new products for our Secret Lair product line. Please enjoy this complimentary piece of cardboard." I feel sorry for Cure for the Common Game on YouTube since he's made it his mission to build a EDH / Commander deck off of EVERY Legendary Creature ever printed and after the Walking Dead Secret Lairs this just feels like a HUGE slap in the face. There's been other Legendary Creatures printed for Heroes of the Realm in the past with limited printings for them which he was unable to build decks for so that's a given I guess.
Imagine someone attaining all four of these and pulling a Kaiba by destroying one and automatically bring up the price of the other three. For that matter watch them put it on a stream/video where they make money on the video and people actually paying them to destroy the card.
While this card and how it's being done is a little gross, really should have been a company wide gift, really all that will happen here is an extreme collectors item and in the end I really don't care about this specifically, though I do wonder if they'll continue doing things like this and we do end up with a Yugioh anime situation and someone has the best card that dominates.
What a bunch of stinkeroo planeswalker reprints. Couldn't we have gotten, like, one of Ajani's cards, or a Garruk that wasn't just reprinted in C19, or a black planeswalker that doesn't suck?
It should have been Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath, at least that has life gain which would fit better with the life gain theme of the deck and would have been a decent reprint.
That early access is worth quite a bit. If I can get the product to resell before others, it sells for more. Reselling SLs is already pretty profitable overall,and pretty easy, especially in the days immediately following the first deliveries.
Or it works in the reverse and less will buy it knowing full well they will be able to find it cheaper from the direct seller a little later.
Yes it fits here but **** me sideways print a different sac outlet land for once
Personally, I like High Market, it's a fine way of making sure things are not exiled. There are only four other lands with sacrifice effects that could have gone in this deck, though the one to have chosen for this deck other than Market should have been Miren, the Moaning Well.
For $12.50 a month? The 10% off alone would cover the entry fee. I hope they do this.
Ahahahah, 21,50 a month to receive like 5 cards a month. What a bargain!
They really found a way to print money and now they don't even need to sell, people will pay passively.
Works for the video game industry with all the battle/season passes where people pay for the promise that the 10 year road map that will totally definitely will happen and the game won't stop in 3-5 years. Magic players will get to learn how much of a mistake it is buying into these things now.
A good number of Secret Lairs are not even worth buying, why would I ever want a subscription so I can get a playset of Lightning Bolt, mana rocks, basic lands, etc? Secret Lairs are already a niche product and with a subscription they are going even more niche with this.
Patently false because of people's poor short term memories is pretty funny. Please, go on more about how three people on a tiny forum can't remember the last 3 years.
Wait, so when you criticize White's point removal, you mention it only gets it in nonstandard formats, but the only better board wipes you mention are also outside of Standard? Weird dichotomy there.
Path to Exile isn't in Standard or Historic. It's legal in Modern, Legacy, Vintage, and Commander. Swords only misses that list by 1 format. They aren't that limited in legality.
White weenie is currently a top tier build in standard. Not much of a memory if it can't remember things currently occurring. White almost always has multiple 2/1 for 1s with upside in standard, and many see play in other formats as well. In addition, it gets things like Mother of Runes in the 1 slot.
It seems the issue has less to do with white's flaws and more to do with your analytical skills.
This unfortunately doesn't have much to do with the original argument being made. No one is saying white doesn't have good cards in a variety of situations, it certainly does, but the argument was spot removal and efficient soup creatures. Yes, it has board wipes, and it's usually the color to have that in Standard, but outside of that the board wipes are, for the most part, pretty interchangeable with all colors having their own in some way. From Decree of Pain to Ezuri's Predation/The Great Aurora to Blasphemous Act.
When it comes to spot removal while you indeed listed a great one in Skyclave Apparition white's single target removal has been lacking and been left behind by black and blue (from Go For the Throat to Rapid Hybridization), and even green when it came to Beast Within (so much that white stole the card with Generous Gift, ignoring the color pie break of BW) and even Ram Through.
You said folks were "ignoring history" when it came to white, but when you can only come up with a couple examples of good single target removal in white in recent years it in fact shows people were looking at history appropriately. Board wipes are about the only thing white still has, Doomskar being one of the better ones in recent history for how it can escape discard and played early, but you must remember that black also has had a three mana board wipe with Bontu's Last Reckoning. White's board wipes are a constant in Magic, but they are not always the best, and the same is true for the other colors.
When it comes to keyword soup creatures they are great in Commander, but more often than not they are far less impressive than green's soup creatures.
White gets the most efficient removal, the best 1 and 2 drops, and goes back and forth with green for efficiently costed keyword soup creatures, like Baneslayer Angel
Honestly, over the last few years is that true? What white removal was super efficient that wasn't a board wipe? What massive white soup creature was there since Dominaria? Blue seems to be getting far better removal and green tends to have far more efficient creatures that surpass white.
What would making peanut butter do when talking about Magic?
The Clinic can also potentially be a politics kind of card since you can do it to other player's commanders. It depends on the deck that wants it really.
Except if it costs that much as a subscription you're not really saving anything. Then if all other incentive is that you get to buy even more all you're doing is spending more. If that's what you wish that's great for you, but I'll be over here only spending $5 on a playset of Lightning Bolt rather than $30 on it.
Imagine someone attaining all four of these and pulling a Kaiba by destroying one and automatically bring up the price of the other three. For that matter watch them put it on a stream/video where they make money on the video and people actually paying them to destroy the card.
While this card and how it's being done is a little gross, really should have been a company wide gift, really all that will happen here is an extreme collectors item and in the end I really don't care about this specifically, though I do wonder if they'll continue doing things like this and we do end up with a Yugioh anime situation and someone has the best card that dominates.
It should have been Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath, at least that has life gain which would fit better with the life gain theme of the deck and would have been a decent reprint.
Or it works in the reverse and less will buy it knowing full well they will be able to find it cheaper from the direct seller a little later.
Personally, I like High Market, it's a fine way of making sure things are not exiled. There are only four other lands with sacrifice effects that could have gone in this deck, though the one to have chosen for this deck other than Market should have been Miren, the Moaning Well.
Works for the video game industry with all the battle/season passes where people pay for the promise that the 10 year road map that will totally definitely will happen and the game won't stop in 3-5 years. Magic players will get to learn how much of a mistake it is buying into these things now.
Very true.
I'm surprised it wasn't another clone effect with a name like that.
I hate Secret Lairs so very much.
Same couple of people every time that need to complain that people are talking about Magic on a Magic forum. Conversations? What's that?
This unfortunately doesn't have much to do with the original argument being made. No one is saying white doesn't have good cards in a variety of situations, it certainly does, but the argument was spot removal and efficient soup creatures. Yes, it has board wipes, and it's usually the color to have that in Standard, but outside of that the board wipes are, for the most part, pretty interchangeable with all colors having their own in some way. From Decree of Pain to Ezuri's Predation/The Great Aurora to Blasphemous Act.
When it comes to spot removal while you indeed listed a great one in Skyclave Apparition white's single target removal has been lacking and been left behind by black and blue (from Go For the Throat to Rapid Hybridization), and even green when it came to Beast Within (so much that white stole the card with Generous Gift, ignoring the color pie break of BW) and even Ram Through.
You said folks were "ignoring history" when it came to white, but when you can only come up with a couple examples of good single target removal in white in recent years it in fact shows people were looking at history appropriately. Board wipes are about the only thing white still has, Doomskar being one of the better ones in recent history for how it can escape discard and played early, but you must remember that black also has had a three mana board wipe with Bontu's Last Reckoning. White's board wipes are a constant in Magic, but they are not always the best, and the same is true for the other colors.
When it comes to keyword soup creatures they are great in Commander, but more often than not they are far less impressive than green's soup creatures.
You mean Sol Ring?
Honestly, over the last few years is that true? What white removal was super efficient that wasn't a board wipe? What massive white soup creature was there since Dominaria? Blue seems to be getting far better removal and green tends to have far more efficient creatures that surpass white.