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  • posted a message on [Primer] Gx Tron
    Quote from sicsmoo »
    Ohhh, well if they were on Surgical maindeck that's a whole different ballgame. It seems to be in vogue now, unfortunately.
    I've been thinking about this a bit more, particularly in regards to the UR Phoenix matchup. Twice in the past several days I've had a Phoenix opponent go turn 1 Thought Scour me, flip Tower over then Surgical it. Now, this isn't gonna happen that often, particularly not on turn 1 like that (it's about a 2.6% chance by my calculations), but given how easy it is for them to find specific cards, this percentage goes up as turns go on. Just felt like mentioning that now that 2 Surgicals main has become standard. I still think the matchup is squarely favorable for us overall but this is definitely a way they can get us a small percentage of the time, and boy does it leave a sour taste in your mouth when it happens.

    Also, a friend told me he played against Grixis Shadow with Surgical main today as well, which also has the combo with Thought Scour, though looking at lists this does seem to be an anomaly. Racerxen's 8rack opponent, same story. It's a trend that's decidedly not good for us, and is really indicative of how warped the format has become.
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Gx Tron
    Ohhh, well if they were on Surgical maindeck that's a whole different ballgame. It seems to be in vogue now, unfortunately.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Gx Tron
    @Silvortal's post

    Yep I'm still firmly on 5 basics; BGx is really popular online and so is UW, a bit less so. I'm seeing it so much that I'm actually slipping a Goyf or 2 back into my SB lately.

    Going down to 3 O-Stones in favor of another "3 drop" does make sense in this meta, although oddly I'm seeing more Humans and less Phoenix lately. I'll probably give it a shot.

    I've been lukewarm on Surgical for quite a while - basically since Dredge got Creeping Chill. The card definitely has its uses but I don't think it's necessary in Tron at all right now.
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Gx Tron
    What was the lack of prep vs 8Rack? I think you just want Claims and Thragtusks. Crucible is great if you have it. I think the matchup mostly hinges on 1 card - Smallpox. If they fire that off early, it's really tough (assuming they're pressuring us too), but if they don't have it, it's really easy because they have no other way to keep us off Tron and we topdeck very well. I actually played against it a couple days ago - ended up restarting the game with 5 Swamps and my own Thragtusk in play and played a turn 1 Wurmcoil Grin
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Gx Tron
    Quote from Lord Seth »
    Quote from MCR »
    Anyone have any SB tech options vs Whir Prison? It's too bad that Creeping Corrosion doesn't have the anti-regenerate clause. Was wondering if you guys had any other viable options.
    There's not really that much tech for the matchup because our deck is basically already anti-Whir Prison tech. It's a stellar matchup. They don't have enough Spyglasses to cover everything, so unless they manage to put together the Tectonic Edge+Crucible of Worlds combo fast enough and prevent you from thwarting it with a Relic of Progenitus, the first game is yours. Even in the second all they can really do is hope to beat you down with Sai or kill you with Tezzeret before you break your way through their defenses.
    Interesting perspective; in my experience the matchup isn't very good at all. You missed a couple key points I think - the 4 maindeck Chalice of the Void is not a good time for us, especially with 4 Welding Jar to keep it around if we manage to slip O-Stone past Spyglass. And 4 Whir of Invention with the maindeck Damping Sphere, giving them effectively 5 copies of it. Same goes for Spyglass of which they have 2 main and 2 more in the sideboard. 4 is definitely enough to cover everything, but even in game 1 they really only need 1 quickly to shut off O-Stone which then buys them tons of time to set the lock up further. They have all the tools to shut down our gameplan, and given how redundant/full of tutors the deck is, I think they'll succeed more often than not. Currently my record in the matchup is 4-6.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from sicsmoo »
    Buried in all the Looting hysteria Sam Black top 8'd Tampa with good old Lantern Control. Interesting to see given that Whir Prison has essentially taken its place recently. I guess being able to play a bunch of Surgicals main in a prison shell (which isn't something Whir can really do due to its Chalice plan) is an enticing prospect in this meta.

    Be honest. You just want an uptick in these types of decks because they're easy targets for Tron, especially Lantern. Wink
    Haha nope, not if Black's list got adopted. 3 Assassin's Trophy and 2 Ghost Quarter to go with the 3 Surgicals isn't my idea of a good time. And Whir Prison is favored against Tron.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Buried in all the Looting hysteria Sam Black top 8'd Tampa with good old Lantern Control. Interesting to see given that Whir Prison has essentially taken its place recently. I guess being able to play a bunch of Surgicals main in a prison shell (which isn't something Whir can really do due to its Chalice plan) is an enticing prospect in this meta.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    The guide is in the OP, was done early Feb so it's pretty up to date. It includes Death's Shadow Smile
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Gx Tron
    Added the 2 Phoenix matchups (at the top) and Sultai Wilderness Reclamation (at the bottom) to the guide.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Gx Tron
    Yea, anyone that's been reading the thread for a while knows that I've been a fan of MD Thragtusks. It's just very good in the deck and Ballista and WB are fairly medium at the moment, so I think that list is solid. As for the manabase, going below 4 Forest is still too much for me to stomach. UW may be on a downswing but it's still present, and I run into BG Rock regularly enough that I want those basics. Though the Tusks in the main do help mitigate the low basic count a bit.
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Gx Tron
    Quote from MCR »
    Anyone have any SB tech options vs Whir Prison? It's too bad that Creeping Corrosion doesn't have the anti-regenerate clause. Was wondering if you guys had any other viable options.
    Perilous Vault. It's a great additional Ostone effect that exiles so it gets around those pesky Welding Jars out of Whir and Hardened Scales which is not an easy matchup either. It's also just good as an additional sweeper against Humans, Spirits, Dredge, etc. The main issue is it's a bit slower than Ostone because it costs 4, then 5 to activate, but this would not matter against Whir Prison in particular. Against the faster decks, you can still activate it on turn 4 like Ostone, but it requires you to play it on turn 3 which gives them a window to disrupt/destroy it.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Gx Tron
    I wrote something about Mono Red Phoenix a little while ago - it's on this page.

    For Izzet:

    +1 Cage, +2 Surgical, +2 Nature's Claim
    -2 Ballista, -1 Ugin, -1 Ostone, -1 Ulamog

    Wail is good if you have it, but otherwise no major changes as the matchup is already good. I don't like Thragtusk because it doesn't block anything profitably and the lifegain doesn't matter as much as against Mono Red. I still think Karn is great as we have enough graveyard hate to control the Phoenixes and he is exactly what we want against TiTi and Crackling Drake. Most lists aren't even playing hard counters for him - generally just 1-2 Spell Pierce so play around that if you can and you'll be fine.

    I'll update the guide with these matchups when I get a sec - should have done it sooner.

    EDIT: Also interesting that you're still on 4 Claim as well. I've been toying with the idea of going back down to 2 now that Stony Silence is basically non-existent again. The main thing stopping me is this Wilderness Reclamation deck lurking around in the MTGO queues - Claim is the best card there.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Quote from Simto »
    Elder-Deep Fiend is rad. Do you tweak your mana base to go for the merge cost too? Probably don't need to hehe, just curious if you'd do that.

    I have almost all the cards I need to build this deck properly, I just still need to get the expensive cards like 4 Aether Vial, big Karn and stuff like that. I have all the eldrazi, ballistas, tron lands, wurmcoil and stuff like that. Just need to really expensive cards hehe.
    I'm just still deciding which deck to go for in modern. This deck in general has just been having it rough the last year or so, so I'm not sure if it'd be worth the money to get the final pieces to make it competitive worthy (aka take it to FNM hehe, that's as competitive I get)
    What do you need Aether Vials for? FWIW Karn Liberated is not essential at all, it's just an option for going big. Many lists don't play him.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Hey, thanks for the post. This was beginning to feel like my own personal blog :p

    On that run I lost to Tron, Titan Shift and Counters Company. Not hard to understand why I lost to the first 2, though I actually beat each of them on the same run as well. In the Counters Company match my opponent was on the play and blew up my Map with Knight of Autumn on turn 2 and just got way ahead. In game 2 I mulled and my 6 was mediocre but keepable and just didn't get there.

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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Check out Logan Nettles' 21st place Jund list. 0 Copies of Assassin's Trophy. That's fascinating to see given the amount of hype that card got.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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