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  • posted a message on Inferior cards
    As for voracious hatchling, the question is whether a 6/6 that comes into play with 4 -1/-1 counters on it is comparable to a 2/2. I'd say they're not comparable, since the first one doesn't interact with persist.

    Arcane shouldn't be included.

    For the blasts, the question is whether being able to target something that you can't effect is an advantage, disadvantage, or neither/both. I'm inclined to say the latter.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Smalltown Mafia - Game over!
    Quote from Yare
    If we crazed fiend someone, will the deadline get removed?
    Sure
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Smalltown Mafia - Game over!
    Alright guys, I'm setting a deadline for 2 weeks from now. On Halloween, 9:00 PM PST, the day will end. The person with the most votes will be lynched. If there is a tie, the person who got that many votes first will be lynched.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Inferior cards
    Quote from intreped
    Really, fix this. Either add more Slivers, or take away Cathartic Adept. There's no way in which the Adept situation is different from any of the examples I listed.

    The rule should be: Slivers are not comparable to non-sliver creatures. For example, which of these cards is better:

    Enchantment
    Green creatures get +1/+1

    Enchant Creature
    Enchanted creature gets +1/+1

    The obvious answer is: neither. The first one is more powerful when you build around it, but you can also help your opponent with it. In the "Catharic Adept < Screeching Sliver" the Cathartic Adept is the second one... your creature gets it, but none of your other creatures do. The Sliver is the first enchantment... hopefully you built your deck around maximizing its effectiveness, but there's a chance even that it will help your opponent more than you. This is especially possible in limited formats. For the purposes of this thread, these cards are incomparable.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Smalltown Mafia - Game over!
    Alright guys, don't make me put a deadline down, and don't make me send out more prods.

    This goes double for GiftsTrix, Minineko and Apokalypse Kid, who have 10-16 posts and haven't posted in 4 days to a week.
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  • posted a message on Inferior cards
    Quote from ossy

    Runeboggle > Spell Snip
    The others I'll agree with, but Spell Snip has an advantage (Cycling) that Runeboggle doesn't, so this one isn't valid.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Inferior cards
    Quote from Excise
    Tremble vs. Boom//Bust:It's true that Tremble lets you sac on resolution, but what is the real risk?
    They counter it and get a 2 for 1? Very corner case Slant

    Quote from Excise

    I want to go back to Clay Statue vs. Viashino Skeleton for a moment. I suggested that having an added type (Artifact) couldn't be considered a drawback because it has regeneration and mutantman responded that Return to Dust and Hurkly's Recall or not have 2 open makes CS inferior to VS. But, on the other hand, Not having access to black mana, or not having a card in hand to discard or not having the red mana source to main cast it anyway are just as valid arguments against VS. I think that CS wins though because when it comes to creatures, Removal sort of becomes ubiquitous. The very fact that it's a creature means your opponent will have ways to get rid of it, decks are designed that way. The question is what greater chance of removal or control will a creature that is also an artifact face when confronting any given deck? I'm saying that because it is already the most hated card type (Creature) to begin with, the added threats in a given deck are low enough to be negligible.
    I would say that being an artifact IS a drawback. Having any additional types makes something more susceptible to being removed. As for which is better, this thread is about which cards make the other "inferior" or are "strictly better" than them. Both of those cards have drawbacks that the other doesn't, so neither is the obvious better choice.

    Quote from ossy
    So anyway....what is the Verdict with Dwarven Scorcher < Frostling?

    They're not comparable.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Inferior cards
    Quote from ossy
    First, note that Frostling is better for the comparison than Mogg Fanatic, as Fanatic can hit players (and Fanatic > Frostling)
    It is worse, unless you oppenent decides to make a bad decision, it is better. think about it this way, if it said "deal 1 damage to target creature unless that creature's controller chooses to lose the game instead" you would not go around saying "its better because it can make them lose the game" as, unless losing the game was a better choice for them at the time (platinum angel...), they will not choose it. Frostling always does 1 damage to its target. Dwarven scorcher always attempts to deal 1 damage to its target, but your opponent can stop you by choosing to take 2 damage. This makes it worse, not better than frostling.

    Except that in the one case, they KNOW that choosing the "lose the game" option is worse for them, whereas in the case of the scorcher, they don't know which option is worse for them assuming that you have at least one card in your hand. They are not comparable for the purposes of this thread.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Inferior cards
    Not quite, Elven Riders can't be blocked except by Walls/creatures with flying, and Dustwasp can't be blocked except by creatures with flying/reach.
    The more expensive one triggers whenever their mountain becomes tapped for any reason (twiddle, chimeric idol) which could make a big difference.
    Assuming no team games, then yes.
    Wall of Vapor can still deal damage if you raise its power.
    Quote from gregorys

    Warning < Awe Strike
    Doublestrike.
    Quote from gregorys

    Yes, Commando Raid < Soul's Fire
    Just like Soul's Fire, Commando Raid can also be countered if the target creature is removed from play before the spell resolves. In other words, there's no realistic situation where the Raid is better than the Fire.
    Doublestrike isn't realistic??


    Quote from Excise
    Raze > Tremble

    I would say that having a drawback on resolution is much better than having a drawback when you play the card, since you're not certain it will resolve. This means that they're not better than each other.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Inferior cards
    Quote from Wurm Mastermind
    No, you're wrong, back when I used to play Mons's Goblin Raiders he was primary used as a chump blocker or for fodder for a Goblin Grenade. For those purposes, Crazed Goblin is clearly worse. Even when used on the offensive with pumpers like Goblin King, you want to be able to have the control to swing or not swing. Not just randomly swing into death half the time.

    Please learn how to identify jokes on forums. Smilies are generally a good indication, especially if they're winking.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Inferior cards
    I'd say that Mons's Goblin Raiders is the same as Crazed Goblin, because let's be honest here... that Goblin was attacking every turn anyway Wink
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Inferior cards
    Quote from DalkonCledwin
    basically it breaks down like this:

    Lightning Bolt, Rift Bolt, Lava Spike, Chain Lightning and even Shard Volley >>> than Shock, Tarfire, and Seal of Fire

    um... no.
    Rift Bolt costs 3 for immediate damage and isn't an instant. Lava Spike doesn't hit creatures. Shard Volley makes you sac a land.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on The OFFICIAL "Can a Card be Strictly Better than Another Card" Thread
    Quote from Surging_Chaos
    If card A is completely and absolutely better than card B, it must be better 100% of the time. There can be no exceptions.
    That's true, which is why I used those words to provide a definition where it does not have to be better 100% of the time. Really, this is like me saying "I'm brighter than you" and you saying "NO! WE REFLECT THE SAME AMOUNT OF LIGHT!"

    Quote from Surging_Chaos

    Did you know beneficial effects are also drawbacks?
    False
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Inferior cards
    Quote from Blutsau
    War-Spike Changeling > Mistform Ultimus

    what to do if a card was obsolted more than once (shatter)?

    No. Red mana is not comparable to blue mana.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Inferior cards
    IGNORE other cards for these comparisons. Ashcoat Bear is better than Grizzly Bears because it has extra disadvantages and one extra advantage.

    Saying Grizzly is better than Ashcoat because of Petroglyphs is the same as saying that a 4/3 is worse than a 3/3 because of Reprisal.
    Posted in: Magic General
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